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Re: Rodgers Revolution

by donface » 02 Sep 2009 14:55

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Supermegamega'greed

People were bitching like crazy when we lost the opening game of 05/06 against Plymouth. Mostly because all James Harper spent that game and the vast majority of the previous two seasons doing was passing the ball sideways. Which has been 90% of his contribution since.

If you're going to get all nostalgic, bring back Paul Holsgrove.


So it was Harpers fault we lost to Plymouth that day was it? God, just think how many goals we would have scored if he didn't play!!! How many points would we have won????


Yes.

Maybe more, maybe less.

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Re: Rodgers Revolution

by strap » 02 Sep 2009 15:05

Deadlock
donface If you're going to get all nostalgic, bring back Paul Holsgrove.

Elroy Kromheer
Paul Lemon
Mark Whitlock
Paul Brayson
Mike Conroy
Lee Payne

Ah, those were the days.


Glad you brought up Lemon - the biggest waste of space EVR to pull on an RFC shiort - and that includes Kebe!

Imagine if you will a midfield of Lemon, Holsgrove, Oster and Kebe!!!!

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Re: Rodgers Revolution

by Ryn » 02 Sep 2009 15:13

Andy Hughes? I thought that was the club's best piece of business ever, selling him to Norwich.

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Re: Rodgers Revolution

by Terminal Boardom » 02 Sep 2009 15:14

strap
Deadlock
donface If you're going to get all nostalgic, bring back Paul Holsgrove.

Elroy Kromheer
Paul Lemon
Mark Whitlock
Paul Brayson
Mike Conroy
Lee Payne

Ah, those were the days.


Glad you brought up Lemon - the biggest waste of space EVR to pull on an RFC shiort - and that includes Kebe!

Imagine if you will a midfield of Lemon, Holsgrove, Oster and Kebe!!!!


Have you forgotten Michael Meaker or George Friel? Sean Reck was not exactly Brazilian was he!

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Re: Rodgers Revolution

by ankeny » 02 Sep 2009 15:15

MalcybabyRFC I can’t wait for the international break to be over.

I am totally behind Rodgers and his plans to shape Reading into a young, dynamic squad, building good relationships with the top SPL & Premier league clubs for loan & buying purposes just like our competitors have done and where we have failed in the past.

Rodgers has spent most of his career to date working and developing youth players for both us and Chelsea. I can fully understand his ideas and I am just thankful we have a manager who knows something about young talent, where to look for it and finally how to get the best from them!!!!

I’m sad to see the back of SSC promotion boys and I was scared that we were loosing our identity that we had worked hard to achieve. I may temporarily miss the period where if I mention Reading FC to my mates, automatically they come up with the names of Doyle, Hunt, Lita, Bikey, and obviously Coppel but I also appreciate this has now happened and look forward to the new era under what could be the greatest ever manager Reading FC has ever seen.

Im a loyal royal and although these past couple of months have been a roller coaster im excited about what’s to come.
COME ON URZZZZZZZ

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Re: Rodgers Revolution

by W&E Royal » 02 Sep 2009 15:15

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Supermegamega'greed

People were bitching like crazy when we lost the opening game of 05/06 against Plymouth. Mostly because all James Harper spent that game and the vast majority of the previous two seasons doing was passing the ball sideways. Which has been 90% of his contribution since.

If you're going to get all nostalgic, bring back Paul Holsgrove.


So it was Harpers fault we lost to Plymouth that day was it? God, just think how many goals we would have scored if he didn't play!!! How many points would we have won????


Yes.

Maybe more, maybe less.


Really? Are you being serious?

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Re: Rodgers Revolution

by Terminal Boardom » 02 Sep 2009 15:18

strap I can see the attraction of the current situation, and to a degree I can accept what you're saying. However, my concern is the speeed with which this destruction of the SSC team has taken place. The last time we had such a radical overhaul of a team in such a short space of time was back in the early days of Jack Mansell, 1969-70 season. He created a "one-season wonder" team that played very attractive football and indeed first got me into Elm Park.

The problem was, the team consisted of relatively expereinced pros without any allegiance to RFC. When the going got tough, the imports weren't up to the task, and simply carried on taking the wages, with litle concern for the supporters or club, who found themselves in the basement for the first time in their history. In the current situation, BR is slightly different. The squad now consists of inexperienced home-grown players, and inexperienced imports. So when the going gets tough, at least we should have some squad members who will actully give a toss, but where are the more expereinced heads to which the academy boys and imported youngesters will turn to for inspiration?

On another thread I posted a chart that showed the average number of league starts by the squad was about 90 each. Now this included the likes of Ingimarsson and Gunnarsson, who clearly have little future in BR's brave new world. it also includes new boys like Rasiak and McAnuff. They will take time to get used to teh £Reading way". So we are looking to the likes of Cisse and Kebe (don't make me laugh), as RFC's senior pros!! I said when they were signed that they were cheap make-weights. Their continued presence in the squad give the recent wage-bill cull proves me right.

For this "revolution" to stand any chance, we need the likes of McAnuff, Rasiak and Howard to step up immediately. The load on Noel Hunt's and Jay Tabb's shoulders has also increased, (and bear in mind they have made about 40 starts for RFC in their whole careers), and then we need Cisse and Kebe to actually justify their fees, and frankly that isn't going to happen this side of Judgement Day as any sane observer can see.

Say one thing for RFC, it STILL isn't dull supporting them! For one reason or another!


Now, in 12 months time, let's review this excellent post.

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Re: Rodgers Revolution

by donface » 02 Sep 2009 15:19

W&E Royal Really? Are you being serious?


Yes.

I'm quite interested to see how you're going to prove me wrong.

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Re: Rodgers Revolution

by W&E Royal » 02 Sep 2009 15:27

donface
W&E Royal Really? Are you being serious?


Yes.

I'm quite interested to see how you're going to prove me wrong.


I don't think I can unless someone can lend me a DeLorean, a flux capacitor and a gun.


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Re: Rodgers Revolution

by Norfolk Royal » 02 Sep 2009 15:29

strap
Deadlock
donface If you're going to get all nostalgic, bring back Paul Holsgrove.

Elroy Kromheer
Paul Lemon
Mark Whitlock
Paul Brayson
Mike Conroy
Lee Payne

Ah, those were the days.


Glad you brought up Lemon - the biggest waste of space EVR to pull on an RFC shiort -


Is that a one piece?

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Re: Rodgers Revolution

by IMAMATEOFJOVSKY » 02 Sep 2009 15:48

Whats the team under the revolution?? - I cant believe that O'Dea has come to sit on the bench and with £2m spent on Mills id expect he's a first team choice which raises the question of Pearce and whether Rodgers was a bit premature in making him vice captain ?? I also think that Ingy wont come back and that O'dea buys Rodgers time until January to cover that event..

Starter for ten -

Fed

Cummins
O'Dea
Mills
Bertrand

Kebe
Karacan
Howard
McAnuff

Hunt
Rasiak

Subs

Hamer
Pearce
Long
Marek
Siggy
Bryn
Cisse

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Re: Rodgers Revolution

by Terminal Boardom » 02 Sep 2009 15:54

Trying to second guess BR's team selections is the ultimate exercise in futility. The plus side being that if we haven't got a clue what line up and formation we are putting out, what chance the oppo? This is one area where having BR in charge instead of SSC is a positive. This removes the predictability of the last season and a half.

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Re: Rodgers Revolution

by W&E Royal » 02 Sep 2009 15:59

IMAMATEOFJOVSKY Whats the team under the revolution?? - I cant believe that O'Dea has come to sit on the bench and with £2m spent on Mills id expect he's a first team choice which raises the question of Pearce and whether Rodgers was a bit premature in making him vice captain ?? I also think that Ingy wont come back and that O'dea buys Rodgers time until January to cover that event..

Starter for ten -

Fed

Cummins
O'Dea
Mills
Bertrand

Kebe
Karacan
Howard
McAnuff

Hunt
Rasiak

Subs

Hamer
Pearce
Long
Marek
Siggy
Bryn
Cisse


The signing of McAnuff gives us the option to play 442 with wingers like Coppell played, Kebe on the left and McAnuff on the right, i doubt we'll play that way though. Kebe can't play if we play a diamond, he's too wide. What we have got is options, something we've never really had.


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Re: Rodgers Revolution

by TFF » 02 Sep 2009 16:08

Donfers, thx 4 the lulz.

Some people need to read AE a bit more and chill the fcuk out.

Maguire,

Maguire LOLZ at how quickly people forget. Nobody expected us to get anywhere near automatic promotion at the start of 05/06. Christ half my mates jacked in their STs. You all beefed when we suffered an utterly predictable 3-1 loss at Wigan to miss out on the play offs. You all beefed at shit like Dean Morgan and Paul Brooker and Lloyd Owusu and losing 3-0 at home to Wimbledon and the like. In fact you're just the same old bunch of pcunts spouting the same old shit you've been spouting for the last decade no matter where we are or what we're doing.

Why don't you ever fcking learn? Thank Christ most of the loudmouths on here only make up about 0.5% of a matchday crowd.

IDIOTS


That was pretty much spot on.

Let's just wait and see...

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Re: Rodgers Revolution

by FiNeRaIn » 02 Sep 2009 16:10

Wimb
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For the first time in 9 years I really don't know what this club is supposed to be anymore and what are ambitions/strategy is.
Its great we have youth players coming through and there are some good teams in this division to make it interesting at the top, but we won't be anywhere near competing with the top sides for a long time- if ever again under the current regime.

Reading have a new manager, a new team and I thank madejski for his efforts for the club but we need a new leadership. Not a big foreign investor but someone passionate about a new era with plans to move forward and take us on. Someone who is hungry for a challenge- something madejski has long since lost.

Its not even about money really, I just want someone in who wants to be here who has plans and ambitions- who can relate to a football fans mentality.


Some fair points,

I believe one of the biggest strengths of the 106 team was a group of youngish players who had never been there and done it, few had even 'done it' at Championship level growing together over a period of years.

USA - Came from being a No2 at Fulham - Free

Murty - High Flying winger at York, converted to a right back - 700k
Sonko - Playing in a good/average league 2 side -Free
Ivar - Played a few games for Wolves in the Championship but was loaned to Brighton - 175k
Shorey - Plucked from Orient, was thrust into first team at a young age - 25k

Little - Didn't set the world alight when he went to the PL with Bolton, good player from Burnley - Free
Convey - Disaster in his first season, highly promising player from abroad - 800k(?)
Sidwell - Highly touted at Arsenal, had played mostly in Division 2 for Brentford before we got him - 500k(?)
Harper - Again highly touted at Arsenal, hadn't played competitive football above League 2 when we signed him -400k

Kitson - Had already given up on football once, then was scoring goals in the lower leagues with Cambridge- 150k
Lita - Former Chelski kid, banged in goals at Bristol City in Div2, club record signing - 1 million
Doyle - We all know the tale - 75k

The rest

Hunt - Almost ended up at Bradford
Oster - Failed at a string of clubs
Gunnar - Sturdy and unspectacular Championship midfielder
Long - Just a kid from Cork
Makin - Journeyman fullback
Stack - Highly touted but largely untested at higher levels

Forgive me if I'm missing out or have the fees wrong.

Basically that team was given years to gel, patched up inbetween with a few old heads who never made it to the Prem. My point being that people should remember how we built success in the first place rather then claim we're doing things the wrong way. If spending less then £4-5 million pounds got us into the PL before, who's to say it can't again?


Yeah but also the point being why are we starting from scratch again? We have just come down from the prem and we are starting out as if we are a newly promoted championship team, how did this happen? The club was badly managed and we didnt remotely capitalise over our status from the prem- thats why I don't fall for this " well run club" nonsense people spout.

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Re: Rodgers Revolution

by Mr Angry » 02 Sep 2009 16:24

In business, if you pursue strategies that fail, unless you want to keep failing, you change strategies. Only the most myopic of supporters would say that, in the last 12 months we were pursuing a strategy where we would get success!

Basically, the club had decided that this was needed even before Rodgers was appointed - thats why players like Murty and USA were allowed to go. All Rodgers has done is follow the strategy of replacing players who were expensive and possibly not pulling their weight anymore, and replace with hungry, young, inexpensive players with the potential to establish a completely new team playing the way he wants them to play whilst underpining the financial security of the club as we go into life without parachute payments etc.

Will it work? We must hope so - but we have to be realistic in our expectations at this time. For those of you who expect, even demand auotmatic promotion, expect a season (or 2, or 3) of disappointment; in contract, those who hope for exciting times ahead, punctuated by defeats as things come together, are more likely to have fun as the roller-coaster ride starts again.

I understand the shock of seeing so many players in whom we have invested so many of our emotions over the last few Years, and who gave us the best times ever gone in such a short space of time, but thats the way things have turned out, with players having made it clear that they want to leave and others clearly not up to the mark that Rodgers has set. We just have to look forward and hope things work out for the best; after all, the clocks can't be turned back.

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Re: Rodgers Revolution

by BobKnows » 02 Sep 2009 16:35

Maguire LOLZ at how quickly people forget. Nobody expected us to get anywhere near automatic promotion at the start of 05/06. Christ half my mates jacked in their STs. You all beefed when we suffered an utterly predictable 3-1 loss at Wigan to miss out on the play offs. You all beefed at shit like Dean Morgan and Paul Brooker and Lloyd Owusu and losing 3-0 at home to Wimbledon and the like. In fact you're just the same old bunch of pcunts spouting the same old shit you've been spouting for the last decade no matter where we are or what we're doing.

Why don't you ever fcking learn? Thank Christ most of the loudmouths on here only make up about 0.5% of a matchday crowd.

IDIOTS

PS Nice haul donfers


Jeesus Mags, that makes me lurve you even more :oops: :oops: :oops:

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Re: Rodgers Revolution

by Terminal Boardom » 02 Sep 2009 16:37

Mr Angry In business, if you pursue strategies that fail, unless you want to keep failing, you change strategies. Only the most myopic of supporters would say that, in the last 12 months we were pursuing a strategy where we would get success!

Basically, the club had decided that this was needed even before Rodgers was appointed - thats why players like Murty and USA were allowed to go. All Rodgers has done is follow the strategy of replacing players who were expensive and possibly not pulling their weight anymore, and replace with hungry, young, inexpensive players with the potential to establish a completely new team playing the way he wants them to play whilst underpining the financial security of the club as we go into life without parachute payments etc.

Will it work? We must hope so - but we have to be realistic in our expectations at this time. For those of you who expect, even demand auotmatic promotion, expect a season (or 2, or 3) of disappointment; in contract, those who hope for exciting times ahead, punctuated by defeats as things come together, are more likely to have fun as the roller-coaster ride starts again.

I understand the shock of seeing so many players in whom we have invested so many of our emotions over the last few Years, and who gave us the best times ever gone in such a short space of time, but thats the way things have turned out, with players having made it clear that they want to leave and others clearly not up to the mark that Rodgers has set. We just have to look forward and hope things work out for the best; after all, the clocks can't be turned back.


Which is all well and good providing that the man with the big hair and the man with the big watch are also realistic in their aspirations. No more commitment to premier league status bullshit please. This restructure will take time to settle and bear fruit.

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Re: Rodgers Revolution

by ZacNaloen » 02 Sep 2009 16:48

When are some of you going to realise that when the club talk about their aspirations, i'e get back in the premier league, be a stable premiership club, be as big as arsenal etc these are goals for the long term and they will take as long as they take. Have some patience and just enjoy the bloody football will you. I'll take the long game over the short game any day. Far more interesting.

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Re: Rodgers Revolution

by SLAMMED » 02 Sep 2009 17:03

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donface So wot

well never win anything wiv a team of chelski rejects and playas who cudn't even make it into championship teams. Wheres da money gon? we cant be that bad off if we canlet our to best palyas go for nuthing.

ROGERS OUT
MADJESKI OUT
HAMMOND OUT


Did you go to school?

Wot is what
Well is we'll
Wiv is with
Playas is players
Cudn't is couldn't
Wheres is where's
Da i can only assume is the
Gon is gone
Canlet is can let
Nuthing is nothing

Plus you spelt our managers and chairmans names wrong.


Idiot.

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