Back from the match - Barnsley

[FiNeRaIn]

Well the accounts up to summer 2010 show us with a wage bill of around £20m iirc, and last time I noticed the average championship wage bill was around £12m I think.

That was when we had doyle, hunt, harper, matejovsi,etc Our wage bill now would be a quarter of what it was then.

Think about it - what big earners do we have left? Griffin, kebe, mikele and mcanuff are about the only one's who could be on a substantial championship wage and they won't be on over 15k a week.

[Ian Royal]

Well the accounts up to summer 2010 show us with a wage bill of around £20m iirc, and last time I noticed the average championship wage bill was around £12m I think.

That was when we had doyle, hunt, harper, matejovsi,etc Our wage bill now would be a quarter of what it was then.

Think about it - what big earners do we have left? Griffin, kebe, mikele and mcanuff are about the only one's who could be on a substantial championship wage and they won't be on over 15k a week.

You're so clueless it's untrue. Hunt, Doyle & Harper (on loan) left in 2009.

[FiNeRaIn]

Yes and the accounts would have included their wages, there is no way the account purely showed 2010 after they left. You are the clueless one.

is on you my friend.

[Ian Royal]

Yes and the accounts would have included their wages, there is no way the account purely showed 2010 after they left. You are the clueless one.

is on you my friend.

So players who left in the summer of 2009, were still being paid for us in 2009/10? Are you drunk?

The accounts for 2010 showing that year's wage bill, will not include wages we were not paying players who were not ours.

I expected you to slink quietly away and pretend you never saw that, not make yourself look more stupid.

[FiNeRaIn]

Yes and the accounts would have included their wages, there is no way the account purely showed 2010 after they left. You are the clueless one.

is on you my friend.

So players who left in the summer of 2009, were still being paid for us in 2009/10? Are you drunk?

The accounts for 2010 showing that year's wage bill, will not include wages we were not paying players who were not ours.

I expected you to slink quietly away and pretend you never saw that, not make yourself look more stupid.

Ok got my seasons mixed up - hold hands up to that. But lets look at the figures - 20 million wage bill. Say you have a squad of 20 players all getting 1 million - that is a fvcking average weekly wage of 19,200 a week.
Our lineup for the first game was

Federici;
Rosenior,
Bertrand
Cisse,
Pearce (c);
Karacan,
Davies
Tabb;
Robson-Kanu (Long 64),
Kebe,
Church

Thats eleven players there you are telling me getting nearly 20k a week, forget these other 9 players on the bench and squad. Now we know that most of those starting eleven won't even be on HALF that per week. How the hell do we get a 20 million wage bill when most of those were barely on 5k like ( mainly the youngsters)?
How much is the hotel paying on wages? What about the board,etc That is a DISASTROUS amount of a wage bill considering there is simply no way that players were getting NEAR that much. How has this not been brought up and broken down before. Maybe im drunk, 20 million a season wages for THAT team? Honestly? Who signed these contracts? How much are we paying the bar staff and hot dog sellers?

[woodley_royal_124]

How much are we paying the bar staff and hot dog sellers?

they dont get paid.

[Ian Royal]

I was pretty surprised myself it was that high, I'd have guessed around £15m by then. Can't remember who posted it up. We do have a big squad, and I think you underestimate how much a lot of our players will be on. A good 16-20 of our squad are good quality Chump players who'll be on at least the average wage, if not higher. And we made some "ambitious" signings that season.

Fed, Bertrand, Rasiak, Matejovsky, Ingimarsson, Gunnarsson, Tabb, Karacan, Pearce, McAnuff, Kebe, Howard, Long, Hunt, Cummings, Mills... all going to be on good money and I've probably missed some. Not to mention half a season of Khizanishvili and Griffin.

[rfc2001]

Reading firstly need new full backs. Reading traditionally attack down the wings and our full back can't over lap. Quick full backs will solve the problem!!!

Secondly tell JIMMY KEBE TO RUN WITH THAT F*CKING BALL and not check back

Thirdly McAnuff should not be captain

[FiNeRaIn]

I was pretty surprised myself it was that high, I'd have guessed around £15m by then. Can't remember who posted it up. We do have a big squad, and I think you underestimate how much a lot of our players will be on. A good 16-20 of our squad are good quality Chump players who'll be on at least the average wage, if not higher. And we made some "ambitious" signings that season.

Fed, Bertrand, Rasiak, Matejovsky, Ingimarsson, Gunnarsson, Tabb, Karacan, Pearce, McAnuff, Kebe, Howard, Long, Hunt, Cummings, Mills... all going to be on good money and I've probably missed some. Not to mention half a season of Khizanishvili and Griffin.

The only way is to see how much individually they were on, but apparently long was on around 10k per week, most of these would not be above that. I fear a MASSIVE amount of this has gone elsewhere. I just cannot see any of the players you listed anywhere above 15k per week, or in some cases even close to that. Like I said we'd need 20 players all nearly on 20k per week to reach a 20 million wage bill. Obviously there are staff wages, management wages, merchandising wages,etc so this goes into account and unfortunately the disaster of a hotel - but this is not a dent on what other football clubs pay their wage bills on. I am massively, massively worried about where the rest of that 20 million went because it was not on that squad of players which wasn't as big as you suggested, because a lot were youth players. HRK, Pearce, Karacan, Cummings, church, davies, mikkel anderson, etc were all young academy players barring cummings who joined for a nominal fee with no first team experience. Fed was a no name at the time also. You're definition of " good wages" is nowhere close to 20k a week, that's just not the case.
There are massive questions to be asked regarding a 20 million wage bill for a squad full of unproven academy players and championship travelers.

[Ian Royal]

Well, clearly as you don't believe it's possible, it can't be true.

[FiNeRaIn]

Well, clearly as you don't believe it's possible, it can't be true.

Do you honestly believe we were paying that squad anywhere near that? Put the RTG glasses to one side for just one minute, take a look at that list of players and their circumstances and tell me how they could honestly be on nearly 20k per week each. Thats a squad of 20, im being very kind in including 9 extra players into the squad on an average of 19k per week.

It. Doesn't. Add. Up.

The hotel has to be paying a SHIT LOAD out on wages. Where else can it be going? Do these accounts show which sections within the club they are going? If not they need too as that's ridiculous.

[Ian Royal]

What the hell was Federici doing not coming for that first one!? There was no one in his way. His all the way. Fricking useless. Poor from Khumalo too.

[FiNeRaIn]

What the hell was Federici doing not coming for that first one!? There was no one in his way. His all the way. Fricking useless. Poor from Khumalo too.

I thought the opposite tbh, looks like it was headed from outside the 6 yard box, its really high also. The blame lies with the marking not the goalkeeper.

[Big Foot]

What the hell was Federici doing not coming for that first one!? There was no one in his way. His all the way. Fricking useless. Poor from Khumalo too.

I thought the opposite tbh, looks like it was headed from outside the 6 yard box, its really high also. The blame lies with the marking not the goalkeeper.

Poor marking but he HAS to come for it there as other keepers have done so against us this season

[Libertine]

Face it Saturday was the 2nd consecutive poor showing by the team. The team is not this bad but these bad stretches make our weaknesses glaring ones. Should we panic? I don't think so, and I will not as long as McDermott is our coach. I have full confidence that he will do what is necessary to eventually get the players to compete at the level they should be. But we cannot deny there are huge holes which need to be addressed.

Right now this team needs to be shaken up. I would like to see what we have in Obita, Morrison and Brett Williams, put them in. Obita was especially impressive during preseason. A message needs to be sent that no one's starting position is safe if these poor showings continue. I can see having a poor showing at Fratton Park, that is our own personal Little Shop of Horrors. But what happened at the Madejski against relegation fodder Barnsley is a different story entirely and completely unacceptable. The post sale shock of Long's departure which I expected to be manifested at Leicester has finally come to fruition games 2 & 3 after Long's sale. I am guessing going up against Millsy fired up the team enough to momentarily forget what the team had just lost in terms of talent.

Even if we bring in a couple new players I am not expecting an immediate improvement. It will take time for the team to gel. I have a feeling for the rest of the calendar year this is going to be a massive work in progress. We are not a dynamic team which can create a lot of chances up front combined with a new central defense pairing which, to be kind, has been shaky at best, two older and slow full backs and a keeper who looks glued to his spot.

[Petercccccc]

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we finihed 7th in our debut season a point from European football with basically the same team that got us promoted

I reckon we will sign a pleyer but someone who will fit in with our style and work ethic...not just someone who will cost a lot of money.

Madejski deserves a lot of praise for this work ethic among the squad. Promoting Coaches, given hope to the the younger generation. everyone always goes on about spending money, but its crap,The best teams always build never buy there way to success Barcelona had a institution build up over years

I Hope we sign a player even it costs us 10 million but just as long as improves us.


Talk about sitting on the fence
Peace nig URZZ

[Z175]

The hotel has to be paying a SHIT LOAD out on wages. Where else can it be going? Do these accounts show which sections within the club they are going? If not they need too as that's ridiculous.

This is by far the most comical answer to where's the money gone. Most championship clubs are heavily in debt , we have a large squad of cosseted high earning individuals represented by agents and you think we are spending millions on wine waiterrs and receptionists!


Just for the record those wages disclosed by the holding company do include hotel, those merely of the football club do not. The wages of madejski and howe are seperately noted to be nil.

Back on subject, I think 'we was unlucky'. Deserved 3 goals and could have scored 5. Appreciate it was sloppy defending twice but they had so little to do. Barnsley, as,always, were woeful, and their bemused fans surprised and magnanimous in victory. Hrk and hunt had great games, kebe, karacan decent. Bongi will need time.

Finally I blame hunt for the defeat. He made harte wrestle with him for the first, then snatched the second. Two calm harte penalties could have been whacked into net. Good keeping but hunt just copied hartes pen. HRK showed what was needed.

[holsgrove breaks a leg]

[quote="floyd__streete"]Tbh, having watched Reading games for the past 25 years I am well aware that - apart from a few freak seasons - we are always going to be also-rans at best and dogsh*t at worst.

Well apart from 1993/4 champions, a playoff final 1995, playoff final 2001,runners up 2002,playoff semis 2003 promotion 2006, playoff semis 2009 and playoff finals 2011, i would worry for your health if you had ended up a coventry or bristol city fan.....

'performance' at home to Barnsley thoroughly noted mind.....

[Avon Royal]

Tbh, having watched Reading games for the past 25 years I am well aware that - apart from a few freak seasons - we are always going to be also-rans at best and dogsh*t at worst.

Well apart from 1993/4 champions, a playoff final 1995, playoff final 2001,runners up 2002,playoff semis 2003 promotion 2006, playoff semis 2009 and playoff finals 2011, i would worry for your health if you had ended up a coventry or bristol city fan.....

'performance' at home to Barnsley thoroughly noted mind.....

Yep, we are world class when it comes to choking in the playoffs.....

I find it really odd that some people see playoff failure as the indication of a successful season.

[pea]

Neither of the penalties were tame and neither were at the keeper. 2 very good saves from Steele IMO. Still embarrassing nonetheless to miss 2 penalties in 90 seconds.

No offence but that posts shows a complete disregard to the basics of penalty taking. Both penalties were at the worst height, its so easy for a keeper to make a save at that height, don't have to get down low quickly and in a full stretch dive that is the natural level for where your hands will be. They weren't good saves, they were routine saves. A good penalty is low or placed in any corner. These were not good penalties.

As for the £20m wage bill, that was at the end of the 2008-09 season, not the 2009-10 season. We still had SHunt, Doyle, Bikey, Hahnemann, Lita, Harper, Rosenior, Duberry and were paying Little and Kitsons wages on loan.