Ian Harte

[andrew1957]

A bit of a pointless debate IMO as both have good qualities.

In general Shorey is the more consistent but he did go off the boil before being "injured" (or dropped). Harte has fractionately the better delivery and a better free direct free kick. Therefore , when he is on form he is the better of the two, but he has had off periods/days like at Wembley. I think I would choose Harte because he has been excellent in recent weeks and has done nothing to deserve to be dropped, but I will be equally happy if Shorey is picked.

[melonhead]

yeah that i guess.

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[Woodcote Royal]

I know some of you would rather lose a limb than admit that little Nicky has ever been guilty of being slightly less than perfect but, do you think Reading fans might reasonably have expected both of Shorey's feet to have left the ground in an attempt to get his head on the ball before Gareth Barry put in the net

The fact that this was not the case makes me very confident that any effort Harte would have made in the same instance would have been both superior and quicker.


HTH

You carry on Woodcote knocking Shorey as you have done for years(I'm not his greatest fan BTW but consider him a better all-round footballer than the arrogant Irishman) and when he costs us the 3 points that leads to our relegation,just as he cost us the £50 million play-off game at Wembley,please come back on here and tell us what a great player he is.
I know you don't go to many games but if you went to a few more games you would see how often the snail leaves us vulnerable at the back-mark my words he will cost us again.

For the record, I've been at the Mad Stad for most games over the last 2 months.

No, I'm not a great fan of Shorey's but go find a post where I slagged off his selection prior to him being dropped. Since Harte's return he has shown beyond doubt who is the better all round player and blaming him for our play-off defeat when several others (Federici in particular) were more at fault, borders on the pathetic.

Furthermore, suggesting that Harte might cost the 3pts that gets us relegated when only Federici (who has since saved a few) has so clearly cost more than the 2 Shorey gave away at Man City is truly priceless!!...............................that one incident said it all

Either Shorey is your love child or, you display poor understanding of the game regardless of attendance record.

[Royal Ginger]

A bit of a pointless debate IMO as both have good qualities.

In general Shorey is the more consistent but he did go off the boil before being "injured" (or dropped). Harte has fractionately the better delivery and a better free direct free kick. Therefore , when he is on form he is the better of the two, but he has had off periods/days like at Wembley. I think I would choose Harte because he has been excellent in recent weeks and has done nothing to deserve to be dropped, but I will be equally happy if Shorey is picked.

Agreed, interchangeable when necessary.

[Ian Royal]

A bit of a pointless debate IMO as both have good qualities.

In general Shorey is the more consistent but he did go off the boil before being "injured" (or dropped). Harte has fractionately the better delivery and a better free direct free kick. Therefore , when he is on form he is the better of the two, but he has had off periods/days like at Wembley. I think I would choose Harte because he has been excellent in recent weeks and has done nothing to deserve to be dropped, but I will be equally happy if Shorey is picked.

Pretty much agree. I prefer Shores because I think, and think the evidence points to, his passing and getting forward being better than Harte, but there's not a lot in it and Harte currently has the league shirt so it's his to lose.

[loyalroyal4life]

A bit of a pointless debate IMO as both have good qualities.

In general Shorey is the more consistent but he did go off the boil before being "injured" (or dropped). Harte has fractionately the better delivery and a better free direct free kick. Therefore , when he is on form he is the better of the two, but he has had off periods/days like at Wembley. I think I would choose Harte because he has been excellent in recent weeks and has done nothing to deserve to be dropped, but I will be equally happy if Shorey is picked.

Can you see Harte playing another season for us at LB when we stay up?? I for one can't hence why i would like to see Shorey in the team. I agree that both have done well when played this season, Harte has surprised me on occasions but Shorey did nothing wrong to be dropped in first place and barring injury should walk back in

[Vision]

It's amusing though that apparently a game from 2011 is being used as a reason not to pick somebody now. If that were the criteria you'd never pick anyone.

Oh and Shorey must be some player if he managed to cost us 2 points in a game we were only drawing until the last minute. Priceless indeed.

Shorey V Harte is the equivalent of two bald men arguing over a comb.

[RockheadRumple]

The only thing that Shorey does that I can think is an improvement on Harte is that he plays a lot of nice on-the-floor passes into the midfield to Jobi or Karacan or someone.

I still prefer Harte in basically every other respect, though. I'm fine with either one as their both sort of good at the same things but Shorey is too timid with his defending. And I'm still (irrationally so) still a little bitter about him not bothering to either head the ball away or fall under Barry's weight at the end of the Man City game. Gave off quite a blasé attitude with such a non-attempt on that occasion.


And Harte's delivery is amazing what are you all on seriously.

[Woodcote Royal]

Oh and Shorey must be some player if he managed to cost us 2 points in a game we were only drawing until the last minute. Priceless indeed

Yep sorry, my error, it was off course just one point but still a costly mistake that Harte would not have made regardless of what Nicky's fan club would like us to believe.

[Extended-Phenotype]

But who is better looking?

Ian Harte looks a bit like a F2M trans, while Shorey looks like he has been moulded by Nick Park. It's a tough call but I'm going to bone...

...SHOREY.

[melonhead]

Since Harte's return he has shown beyond doubt who is the better all round player

no he hasnt

[West Stand Man]

Since Harte's return he has shown beyond doubt who is the better all round player

no he hasnt

It is a close run thing when they are both at their peak. I do agree though, that Harte's 'off form' state is better.

[Victor Meldrew]

It's amusing though that apparently a game from 2011 is being used as a reason not to pick somebody now. If that were the criteria you'd never pick anyone.

Oh and Shorey must be some player if he managed to cost us 2 points in a game we were only drawing until the last minute. Priceless indeed.

Shorey V Harte is the equivalent of two bald men arguing over a comb.

There is only one baldie in this dispute and it certainly isn't me as a folically unchallenged oldie but I do imagine Woodcote looking like Danny Di Vito (yes, I do get your point but this is just a cheap shot).
If you want intellectual debate you should go elsewhere-this is just "my dad is bigger than your dad" discussion which is generally the level that is found on football websites-you should know that by now.
2011 is not that far away and the hurt runs deep-I felt then and still feel today that I don't want to see Harte ever playing for Reading again.
Unfortunately Brian doesn't feel that way and his neck is on the line if/when we get relegated this season.

As I tried to explain to Woodcote, who is not the brightest when it comes to football matters and is only a casual observer of RFC games,I am not an out-and-out Shorey lover but I feel (despite the inadequacies defensively of both players) that Shorey offers a better range of passing and of dead-ball kicking and he doesn't spend all game moaning at all and sundry especially when he himself makes a mistake.
IMHO neither have a good enough all-round game to be playing Premier League football let alone lower level international football which the arrogant Harte thinks he should be.
I respect the views of other posters but would ask them to look a bit further than just at the odd free-kick.

[Woodcote Royal]

As I tried to explain to Woodcote, who is not the brightest when it comes to football matters and is only a casual observer of RFC games,I am not an out-and-out Shorey lover but I feel (despite the inadequacies defensively of both players) that Shorey offers a better range of passing and of dead-ball kicking and he doesn't spend all game moaning at all and sundry especially when he himself makes a mistake.
IMHO neither have a good enough all-round game to be playing Premier League football let alone lower level international football which the arrogant Harte thinks he should be.
I respect the views of other posters but would ask them to look a bit further than just at the odd free-kick.

Only a Grade A twat such as yourself would describe a former away season ticket holder with over 2500 Royalty points, not to mention being a long time poster here, as a casual supporter whilst also possessing the arrogance to believe others are thick enough to be fooled by it.

Given Hartes long and impressive career, only a Grade A twat would suggest he doesn't possess the all round game for the highest level and that one of the most one footed players ever to grace the Premiership has a better range of passing.

And, finally, BR2, only a Grade A twat needs more than one user name to post the same ill informed nonsense.

[BraisingsteakRoyal]

^ Is a grade A twat better or worse than a grade B twat? Which way round does the scale work?

[Millsy]

^ Is a grade A twat better or worse than a grade B twat? Which way round does the scale work?

I suppose it takes some doing to be a prime twat. I'd say Grade A twat is really good at being a twat. Grade B is someone who has many of the characteristics but doesn't do it well enough.

[Millsy]

Given Hartes long and impressive career, only a Grade A twat would suggest he doesn't possess the all round game for the highest level and that one of the most one footed players ever to grace the Premiership has a better range of passing.

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When you're old and slow youre old and slow no matter what your past has been. Using your logic we should be wheeling in mick Gooding to revive our midfield. You do continue to post some BS WR.

[SHORT AND CURLY]

Even Pravda and Won Hung Low from North Korea would have trouble putting a case forward for Harte yesterday.

I'm sure old Numb Nuts on here would put a positive spin on it though!

[Victor Meldrew]

As I tried to explain to Woodcote, who is not the brightest when it comes to football matters and is only a casual observer of RFC games,I am not an out-and-out Shorey lover but I feel (despite the inadequacies defensively of both players) that Shorey offers a better range of passing and of dead-ball kicking and he doesn't spend all game moaning at all and sundry especially when he himself makes a mistake.
IMHO neither have a good enough all-round game to be playing Premier League football let alone lower level international football which the arrogant Harte thinks he should be.
I respect the views of other posters but would ask them to look a bit further than just at the odd free-kick.

Only a Grade A twat such as yourself would describe a former away season ticket holder with over 2500 Royalty points, not to mention being a long time poster here, as a casual supporter whilst also possessing the arrogance to believe others are thick enough to be fooled by it.

Given Hartes long and impressive career, only a Grade A twat would suggest he doesn't possess the all round game for the highest level and that one of the most one footed players ever to grace the Premiership has a better range of passing.

And, finally, BR2, only a Grade A twat needs more than one user name to post the same ill informed nonsense.

2500 Royalty points-newbie.
By your own admission you have only been to a few games this season so your opinion doesn't really count for much.
BTW what is a grade A twat-is that some kind of Dell-boy taxi-driver speak for something deep and meaningful?
Did you turn up yesterday to witness yet another abject performance by our gereatric left-back?
He's 35 f*****g years old and plays as if he is even older-what he has been is irrelevant because he is now a has-been.
IMHO 1 cap for England>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>any number of caps for Ireland.

As for usernames one of mine is for work and one is for home whereas presumably you presumably just use yours from your barn out in the sticks and only need the one username?
I do respect the views of most posters on here but I'm afraid that even with all of those loyalty royalty points you generally just haven't got a clue and your posts come straight from the Sun newspaper school of posting-in yer face with so little depth and inclined to abuse all and sundry.
Ian Harte,the guy who thinks he should stilll be playing for Ireland but is playing a big part in dragging us down to The championship.

[SPARTA]

Putting aside who is better, who is worse; both are out of contract in the summer. Of the two I can see Shorey getting a new contract, but we still need to bring another in. Joe Mills will hopefully be released after his fail at Burnley.