New signings

[wolsey]

is it possible the 500k quoted for howard was written off as a loan fee for harper and in fact we didn't pay anything for howard

And perhaps a clever way of getting around paying any re-sale percentage to Arsenal?

[Royalwaster]

I would imagine the 40% sell on clause we'd owe Arsenal made just getting him off the wage roll a more attractive proposition.

Well I'mm no rocket scientist, but isn't 60% out of £2 million a whole lot more than £0?? which seems to be what we're getting for him by loaning him out.

Play FM or CM for oxf*rd's sake and learn about loan fees.

[URZZZZZZZZ]

I would imagine the 40% sell on clause we'd owe Arsenal made just getting him off the wage roll a more attractive proposition.

Well I'mm no rocket scientist, but isn't 60% out of £2 million a whole lot more than £0?? which seems to be what we're getting for him by loaning him out.

Play FM or CM for oxf*rd's sake and learn about loan fees.

[Thaumagurist*]

I would imagine the 40% sell on clause we'd owe Arsenal made just getting him off the wage roll a more attractive proposition.

Well I'mm no rocket scientist, but isn't 60% out of £2 million a whole lot more than £0?? which seems to be what we're getting for him by loaning him out.

Play FM or CM for oxf*rd's sake and learn about loan fees.

O'Dea, is this guy for real???

[RoyalBlue]

Only it doesn't make sense at all. It seems to overlook the fact that if we were to sell Harper we would still save his wages!

You're stating the obvious. No one offered us money for Harper apart from Wolves, and that fell through. Plan B - loan him out and save the considerable wages he was on.

With respect it was you who brought the alternative prospect of a £2M sale into your sensible argument.

Had you stated that, in the absence of a buyer a loan and consequential saving in wages was the next best thing, then it would indeed have been the sensible argument others acclaimed it to be.

Harper has a 60% sell on clause? His wages are not much less than 20k a week. We save about £800k by loaning him out, or we could sell for what was said to be about £1.8m - 60%. Together the football club have saved £3m by letting these two go. That's what it comes down to.

I'd say worth pasting your message into every thread - as it is pretty much the only one that makes sense.

Only it doesn't make sense at all. It seems to overlook the fact that if we were to sell Harper we would still save his wages!

No, if you sell someone before their contract is up chances are youhave to pay up their contract (or a proportion of it). Send them out on loan and this may not apply.

Additionally many loan deals include a fee payable to the club holding the registration.

It is possible (but I have no idea if it is the case) that by loaning HArps out we are no longer paying his wages, are not liable to pay him any compensation for terminating his deal early and are getting a largish sum in cash back from Sheff Utd.

However I am very sad he's gone !![/quote]

You don't have to pay them if they are happy to go - they normally benefit from a new, improved contract with the signing club + a signing on fee.

However, we are in agreement in our sadness re his departure!

[Barney]

So let me just check what has happened so far.

We got relegated from the Prem, and then choked the playoffs. So a lot of folks on
here called for Coppell to go. In amongst this time, a bucket load of players got
slaughtered (Murty, Hannaman, Duberry, Lita, Rosenior, Shunt, Harper to name a few).

So the club brought a young-ish manager in, and are trying something different. A lot of
the 'old guard' have gone, and hand on heart has Harper REALLY played that well recently ?
Are we REALLY going to miss Rosenior ?
Rightly or wrongly, Rodgers and the board are trying something different. Mills, Cummins, O'Dea
will be busting a gut to do well here. And for the first time in a while, we are seeing players come
through from the Academy. Will it work ? Who knows. I for one think it is a breath of fresh air, and whilst
I appreciate what Harper, USA, Doyle, Murty etc etc did for Reading FC it is time to move on.
This is part of what following your club is about. Good luck to you Rodgers. Let's start a new chapter,

not reading all that shit tbh

My apologies AF1. My post was aimed for sensible debate with folks that can read.

[Gus the teenage cow]

is it possible the 500k quoted for howard was written off as a loan fee for harper and in fact we didn't pay anything for howard

And perhaps a clever way of getting around paying any re-sale percentage to Arsenal?

won't arsenal be on to us for fraud in that case?

[AF1]

is it possible the 500k quoted for howard was written off as a loan fee for harper and in fact we didn't pay anything for howard

And perhaps a clever way of getting around paying any re-sale percentage to Arsenal?

won't arsenal be on to us for fraud in that case?

yeah, better delete these posts

[LoyalRoyalFan]

Bit of a rubbish excuse from Rodgers on why he loaned out Rosenior.

Rodgers :

Liam is also in the final year of his contract and I obviously have to look beyond this season and construct a team for the future.

Seems to say, that he is not young enough to be in the squad and the club can't be bothered to pay his wages. So when Sean Cummings turns 21, will Rodgers be looking for an even younger replacement?

[Sun Tzu]

Bit of a rubbish excuse from Rodgers on why he loaned out Rosenior.

Rodgers :

Liam is also in the final year of his contract and I obviously have to look beyond this season and construct a team for the future.

Seems to say, that he is not young enough to be in the squad and the club can't be bothered to pay his wages. So when Sean Cummings turns 21, will Rodgers be looking for an even younger replacement?

It actually says that they weren't expecting to offer Rosenior a new deal when his current one ran out so rather than wait a year before rpeacling him they've done it now.
Whether you agree with the assessment of Rosenior or not it's great to see how the attack has switched from 'Coppell is too loyal and never changes anything' to 'Rodgers has changed things' !!

[wolsey]

Bit of a rubbish excuse from Rodgers on why he loaned out Rosenior.

Rodgers :

Liam is also in the final year of his contract and I obviously have to look beyond this season and construct a team for the future.

Seems to say, that he is not young enough to be in the squad and the club can't be bothered to pay his wages. So when Sean Cummings turns 21, will Rodgers be looking for an even younger replacement?

No, just cheaper, or perhaps one whose views/attitude won't challenge him

[juanpablo]

Harper has a 60% sell on clause? His wages are not much less than 20k a week. We save about £800k by loaning him out, or we could sell for what was said to be about £1.8m - 60%. Together the football club have saved £3m by letting these two go. That's what it comes down to.

this was what i was trying to get at about ten pages back im sure it will be ignored by the usual suspects

[LoyalRoyalFan]

Bit of a rubbish excuse from Rodgers on why he loaned out Rosenior.

Rodgers :

Liam is also in the final year of his contract and I obviously have to look beyond this season and construct a team for the future.

Seems to say, that he is not young enough to be in the squad and the club can't be bothered to pay his wages. So when Sean Cummings turns 21, will Rodgers be looking for an even younger replacement?

No, just cheaper, or perhaps one whose views/attitude who won't challenge him

However, if you look at the Barnsley photo's on the Official site, you'll see Rodgers and Rosenior getting on fine.

[Terminal Boardom]

WIll someone please explain to me why the club gets rid of Rosenior and Harper yet keeps the useless plank that is Kebe?

[Dirk Gently]

WIll someone please explain to me why the club gets rid of Rosenior and Harper yet keeps the useless plank that is Kebe?

Wages and the fact that no-one else who's come in offers the same ......

[juanpablo]

WIll someone please explain to me why the club gets rid of Rosenior and Harper yet keeps the useless plank that is Kebe?

He wins games for us

[winchester_royal]

WIll someone please explain to me why the club gets rid of Rosenior and Harper yet keeps the useless plank that is Kebe?

Wages and the fact that no-one else who's come in offers the same ......

Not to mention the fact that he provided all 3 goals on saturday.

[Archie's penalty]

Have we definitely signed Howard? Nothing about it on our site and just a little line about it on BBC.

[Terminal Boardom]

WIll someone please explain to me why the club gets rid of Rosenior and Harper yet keeps the useless plank that is Kebe?

Wages and the fact that no-one else who's come in offers the same ......

Not to mention the fact that he provided all 3 goals on saturday.

18 months with us and he becomes a matchwinner? Against the team bottom of the Championship? That's where I have been going wrong all this time. One swallow DOES make a summer!!!

[winchester_royal]

18 months with us and he becomes a matchwinner? Against the team bottom of the Championship? That's where I have been going wrong all this time. One swallow DOES make a summer!!!

Not to mention the fact he had the 2nd most assists for us last season.

Stop being a prat. Kebe is our most dangerous player, and every opposition fan who comes to the Mad Stad that I've spoken to has come away rating him.