Harte is Rubbish, not good enough for the Championship

[Stranded]

Maybe, Stranded you could explain Parkin in 75th

is it cos I is fat?

Not with any great certainty no. Going on the few facts I have, I would say his 6 yellow cards have impacted his score.

The fact that he has only started 10 and appeared in 13 of the 16 league games will also have had a big effect as it is a cumulative total not an average (and mins on the pitch is a scoring factor).

Preston are second from bottom in the league and have only won 4 games.

Actim rewards contributions to winning games doesn't it? If the team aren't doing well it would appear that their system penalises the individual for the teams results.

You are indeed correct, as I was pointing out as you were posting. If your team is crap, you will not get as much points as someone playing in a stronger team.

[Wimb]

Where is Shane Long ranked Snowball m8, you haven't come up with it yet

I answered that

Ummmm

No you haven't

[Hoop Blah]

I think what he meant was he answered it with his normal degree of accuracy.

[Snowball]

Where is Shane Long ranked Snowball m8, you haven't come up with it yet

I answered that

Ummmm No you haven't

Yes I have (Panto season soon)

[Snowball]

As Stranded said, you don't know what I meant, and my general point was that you would expect attackers with more goals to be near the top of the index. That's not all inclusive, Parkin is an example of someone has goals, but presumably more shots off target/bookings whatever.

And yet he has 6 bookings versus Bothroyd's (TOP PLACE) 5 bookings
and has a shooting accuracy among the best in the league
and as good as Bothroyd. So, as I said, the difference appears to be a single yellow card

[Snowball]

You didn't answer my point about goalscoring defenders. I'm not surprised.

Because I can't be arsed to trawl through every player, look him up
at his club, check where he plays and how he plays.

YOU could do it if you wanted.

You didn't answer my question as to where Long is in the Actim index.

I did.

I'm not surprised about that either. Fact is, if the index didn't discriminate towards attacking play like goals and assists, then you'd expect Long to be up there, given the contribution you claim he makes outside of those stats. But I don't see him in the top 100. How many strikers are there in the top 100?

Does the Actim Index give points for winning penalties?

Does the Actim Index give points for chasing down balls and winning throw-ins?

Does the Actim Index give points for making great passes other forwards squander? (see Cardiff game)

Doe the Actim Index give points for getting opponents yellow-carded and sent off?


As for "how many strikers" again I would need to know every name, the club and official capacity

eg Bellamy I consider to be a striker. Is he or should he now be called "winger"?

When Gylfi was in the hole he was (allegedly) a midfielder

When Church played in the hole v Cardiff was he a striker or a midfielder?

Was Hunt a striker or a winger?

[Stranded]

As Stranded said, you don't know what I meant, and my general point was that you would expect attackers with more goals to be near the top of the index. That's not all inclusive, Parkin is an example of someone has goals, but presumably more shots off target/bookings whatever.

And yet he has 6 bookings versus Bothroyd's (TOP PLACE) 5 bookings
and has a shooting accuracy among the best in the league
and as good as Bothroyd. So, as I said, the difference appears to be a single yellow card

Catch up there have been other reasons given since then.

[Snowball]

This is ACTIM, but adjusted for games played.

I DON'T agree with this table (as adjusted) except for players who have, say 10 games at club X, 6 at club Y

Jimmy is 23rd, Ian Harte is 46th

Nevertheless

390 01 Bothroyd Cardiff
368 02 Somma Leeds
366 03 Gradel Leeds
358 04 Turner Coventry
327 05 McGugan Forest
303 06 Lawrence Portsmouth
288 07 Sordell Watford
285 08 Taarabt QPR
282 09 Sinclair Swansea
279 10 Naylor Cardiff
276 11 Alexander Burnley
262 12 Parkin Preston
262 13 Howson Leeds
261 14 Graham Watford
261 15 Mackie QPR
257 16 Coppinger Doncaster
255 17 Helgusson QPR
254 18 Gyepes Cardiff
250 19 Stead Bristol
248 20 Iwelumo Burnley
247 21 Cywka Derby
245 22 P Green Derby
244 23 J Kebe Reading
243 24 Cowie Watford
242 25 Gorkss QPR
237 26 Platt Coventry
236 27 Hoolahan Norwich
233 28 Robson Middlesbro
232 29 OLOfinjana Cardiff
231 30 Dobbie Swansea
228 31 Taylor Watford
225 32 O'Connor Scunthorpe
224 33 King Leicester
223 34 Pratley Swansea
222 35 Bechio Leeds
221 36 Smith Ipswich
220 37 Sharp Doncaster
219 38 Ephraim QPR
219 39 Commons Derby
217 40 Kenny QPR
216 41 Edwards Ipswich
215 42 Byrne Scunthorpe
214 43 Mirfin Scunthorpe
214 44 Burke Cardiff
214 45 Connolly QPR
213 46 Harte Reading
212 47 Crofts Norwich
212 48 Brayford Derby
212 49 Dyer Swansea
211 50 Kitson Portsmouth

179 76 Mills Reading
173 85 McAnuff Reading
172 87 Federici Reading

[Snowball]

There's obviously an advantage to having played all or most of the games

Here's a breakdown of the undoctored listing

37 x 16 Full Appearances
16 x 15 Full Appearances
14 x 14 Full Appearances
12 x 13 Full Appearances (Cumulative Total = 79)
09 x 12 Full Appearances
06 x 11 Full Appearances

[Snowball]

It's not strange that those two are at the top, Snowball, because they have scored a lot of goals - especially, as I already highlighted, Actim has been criticised previously for favouring attacking statistics.

Goal Scorers aren't exactly swamping the Actim List

11 Goals x 01
09 Goals x 01
08 Goals x 03
07 Goals x 03
06 Goals x 08
05 Goals x 04
04 Goals x 11
03 Goals x 06
02 Goals x 22
01 Goals x 11

Total 70, the rest have zero goals

Or to phrase it another way, from the 100 players

30 Players who have scored 0 Goals
41 Players who have scored 1 Goal or less
63 Players who have scored 2 Goals or less
69 Players who have scored 3 Goals or less
80 Players who have scored 4 goals or less

There are players like Jason Scotland (5 Goals) who don't make the list.

[cmonurz]

There's obviously an advantage to having played all or most of the games

So why isn't Shane in the list?

[Snowball]

There's obviously an advantage to having played all or most of the games

So why isn't Shane in the list?

He's off playing with


STRIKERS

Jason Scotland, Ipswich
Kris Boyd, Middlesboro
Chris Eagles, Burnley
Connor Whickham, Ipswich
Tamas Priskin, Ipswich
Michael Chopra, Cardiff
Craig Bellamy, Cardiff
Chris Dagnall
James Hayter, Doncaster
Noel Hunt, Reading
Simon Church, Reading
Leroy Lita, Middlesboro
Chris Boyd, Middlesboro
James Henry, Millwall,
Grant Holt, Norwich
Martin Paterson, Burnley
David Nugent, Portsmouth
Kanu, Portsmouth
JohnUtaka, Portsmouth
Martyn Waghorn, Leciester
Ian Hulme
Steve Howard
David Clarkson, Bristol
Jay Rodriguez
Tommy Smith, QPR
Shefki Kuqi
Richard Creswell, Sheffield
Patrick Agyemang, QPR, International
Rob Hulse, QPR,
Robert Earnshaw, Forest, International
James OBrien, Barnsley
Luke Moore
Paul Hayes
Scott McDonald
Kevin Lisbie
David Healy
David McGoldrick
John Marquis, Millwall
Danny Haynes, Bristol
Cedric van der Gunn, Swansea
Pablo Couango
William Buckley, Watford
Alan Lee, Palace
Jay Simpson, Hull
Nathan Tyson, Forest
Freddie Sears,
Marlon King
Brett Pitman, Bristol
Luke Varney
Dele Adebola

[Wimb]

So you still haven't told us where Long is in the index have you Snowball

[Snowball]

So you still haven't told us where Long is in the index have you Snowball

That is incorrect.

I told you "4th", did I not?

[Snowball]

Wimb, just curious, how many of the strikers in the following list do you think would improve our first 11?

and how many would challenge for a first-eleven place

How many of them do you think are excellent, very, very, very good, very-very good, or very good at our level?

He's off playing with


STRIKERS

Jason Scotland, Ipswich
Kris Boyd, Middlesboro
Chris Eagles, Burnley
Connor Whickham, Ipswich
Tamas Priskin, Ipswich
Michael Chopra, Cardiff
Craig Bellamy, Cardiff
Chris Dagnall
James Hayter, Doncaster
Noel Hunt, Reading
Simon Church, Reading
Leroy Lita, Middlesboro
Chris Boyd, Middlesboro
James Henry, Millwall,
Grant Holt, Norwich
Martin Paterson, Burnley
David Nugent, Portsmouth
Kanu, Portsmouth
JohnUtaka, Portsmouth
Martyn Waghorn, Leciester
Ian Hulme
Steve Howard
David Clarkson, Bristol
Jay Rodriguez
Tommy Smith, QPR
Shefki Kuqi
Richard Creswell, Sheffield
Patrick Agyemang, QPR, International
Rob Hulse, QPR,
Robert Earnshaw, Forest, International
James OBrien, Barnsley
Luke Moore
Paul Hayes
Scott McDonald
Kevin Lisbie
David Healy
David McGoldrick
John Marquis, Millwall
Danny Haynes, Bristol
Cedric van der Gunn, Swansea
Pablo Couango
William Buckley, Watford
Alan Lee, Palace
Jay Simpson, Hull
Nathan Tyson, Forest
Freddie Sears,
Marlon King
Brett Pitman, Bristol
Luke Varney
Dele Adebola

[cmonurz]

How many strikers, or rather, forwards, are there in the top 100 on the Actim list?

[Fezza]

Have highlighted all the strikers on the list who would improve our first team;

STRIKERS

Jason Scotland, Ipswich
Kris Boyd, Middlesboro
Chris Eagles, Burnley - Not a striker surely?
Connor Whickham, Ipswich
Tamas Priskin, Ipswich
Michael Chopra, Cardiff
Craig Bellamy, Cardiff
Chris Dagnall
James Hayter, Doncaster
Noel Hunt, Reading
Simon Church, Reading
Leroy Lita, Middlesboro
Chris Boyd, Middlesboro - So good he's in twice?
James Henry, Millwall,
Grant Holt, Norwich
Martin Paterson, Burnley
David Nugent, Portsmouth
Kanu, Portsmouth
JohnUtaka, Portsmouth
Martyn Waghorn, Leciester
Ian Hulme
Steve Howard
David Clarkson, Bristol
Jay Rodriguez
Tommy Smith, QPR
Shefki Kuqi
Richard Creswell, Sheffield
Patrick Agyemang, QPR, International
Rob Hulse, QPR,
Robert Earnshaw, Forest, International
James OBrien, Barnsley
Luke Moore
Paul Hayes
Scott McDonald
Kevin Lisbie
David Healy
David McGoldrick
John Marquis, Millwall
Danny Haynes, Bristol
Cedric van der Gunn, Swansea
Pablo Couango
William Buckley, Watford
Alan Lee, Palace
Jay Simpson, Hull
Nathan Tyson, Forest
Freddie Sears,
Marlon King
Brett Pitman, Bristol
Luke Varney
Dele Adebola

Any of those would be better / offer more than the person currently leading our line! IMO.... though I'm certain stats fail to back them up!

[Wimb]

So you still haven't told us where Long is in the index have you Snowball

That is incorrect.

I told you "4th", did I not?

4th where Snowball, I don't see him in the top 100 or do you have a secret list that we can't see.

He doesn't appear in the top 5 strikers list, so he can't be there either

[Snowball]

How many strikers, or rather, forwards, are there in the top 100 on the Actim list?

I don't know.

I can give you a list of names and you can check if you like

[Snowball]

So you still haven't told us where Long is in the index have you Snowball

That is incorrect.

I told you "4th", did I not?

4th where Snowball, I don't see him in the top 100 or do you have a secret list that we can't see.

He doesn't appear in the top 5 strikers list, so he can't be there either

You ask, did I tell you. I did tell you. I said 4th. Is that not a fact? The fact being that I said 4th?