Harte is Rubbish, not good enough for the Championship

[Snowball]

And my point is NONE OF THEM are in the Actim top 100 at this time

Have highlighted all the strikers on the list who would improve our first team;

STRIKERS

Jason Scotland, Ipswich
Kris Boyd, Middlesboro
Chris Eagles, Burnley - Not a striker surely?
Connor Whickham, Ipswich
Tamas Priskin, Ipswich
Michael Chopra, Cardiff
Craig Bellamy, Cardiff
Chris Dagnall
James Hayter, Doncaster
Noel Hunt, Reading
Simon Church, Reading
Leroy Lita, Middlesboro
Chris Boyd, Middlesboro - So good he's in twice?
James Henry, Millwall,
Grant Holt, Norwich
Martin Paterson, Burnley
David Nugent, Portsmouth
Kanu, Portsmouth
JohnUtaka, Portsmouth
Martyn Waghorn, Leciester
Ian Hulme
Steve Howard
David Clarkson, Bristol
Jay Rodriguez
Tommy Smith, QPR
Shefki Kuqi
Richard Creswell, Sheffield
Patrick Agyemang, QPR, International
Rob Hulse, QPR,
Robert Earnshaw, Forest, International
James OBrien, Barnsley
Luke Moore
Paul Hayes
Scott McDonald
Kevin Lisbie
David Healy
David McGoldrick
John Marquis, Millwall
Danny Haynes, Bristol
Cedric van der Gunn, Swansea
Pablo Couango
William Buckley, Watford
Alan Lee, Palace
Jay Simpson, Hull
Nathan Tyson, Forest
Freddie Sears,
Marlon King
Brett Pitman, Bristol
Luke Varney
Dele Adebola

Any of those would be better / offer more than the person currently leading our line! IMO.... though I'm certain stats fail to back them up!

And my point is NONE OF THEM are in the Actim top 100 at this time

[Snowball]

Here's the list, bold the forwards/strikers

Graham Watford 245
Sordell Watford 234
Taylor Watford 228
Mariappa Watford 166
Sinclair Swansea 229
Dobbie Swansea 159
Pratley Swansea 167
Dyer Swansea 212
O'Connor Scunthorpe 169
Byrne Scunthorpe 175
Mirfin Scunthorpe 174
Kebe Reading 183
Harte Reading 160
Mills Reading 157
McAnuff Reading 173
Mackie QPR 261
Taarabt QPR 285
Helgusson QPR 207
Gorkss QPR 242
Ephraim QPR 192
Parkin Preston 164
Treacy Preston 158
Davidson Preston 168
Lawrence Portsmouth 227
Kitson Portsmouth 158
Mullins Portsmouth 174
Hoolahan Norwich 221
Crofts Norwich 199
Martin Norwich 202
Morison Millwall 178
Barron Millwall 172
P Robinson Millwall 173
Robson Middlesbro 160
King Leicester 210
Somma Leeds 161
Howson Leeds 262
Bechio Leeds 194
Gradel Leeds 183
Smith Ipswich 207
Leadbitter Ipswich 180
Edwards Ipswich 189
McAuley Ipswich 185
McGugan Forest 225
Blackstock Forest 156
Cohen Forest 181
Sharp Doncaster 179
Coppinger Doncaster 241
O'Connor Doncaster 192
Commons Derby 205
Cywka Derby 170
P Green Derby 230
Moxey Derby 164
Brayford Derby 212
Barker Derby 188
Turner Coventry 313
Platt Coventry 178
Eastwood Coventry 170
Bothroyd Cardiff 317
Whittingham Cardiff 209
Naylor Cardiff 227
Burke Cardiff 187
OLOfinjana Cardiff 174
Iwelumo Burnley 217
Alexander Burnley 155
Stead Bristol 203
Adomah Bristol 197
Hammil Barnsley 192
Shackell Barnsley 186

Bikey Burnley 164
Leacock Derby 158
Gyepes Cardiff 222
Kenny QPR 217
De Vries Swansea 203
Tate Swansea 198
Monk Swansea 193
Connolly QPR 187
Fulop Ipswich 184
Nolan Scunthorpe 181
Ruddy Norwich 178
Williams Swansea 178
Forde Millwall 174
Derry QPR 174
Federici Reading 172
Camp Forest 171
Craine Coventry 168
Cowie Watford 167
Ashdown Portsmouth 167
Fontaine Bristol 166
Hill QPR 165
McAllister Bristol 163
Jensen Burnley 162
Sullivan Doncaster 161
Elliott Burnley 160
K Smith Norwich 159
Hudson Cardiff 159
Mears Burnley 156
James Bristol 156
Keogh Coventry 153

[Ian Royal]

Who cares whether they're in some statistical list? You asked which of them would improve our 11. You have been given an answer. One I'd certainly agree with quite a few of the choices, if not all.

And I think at least this lot would also have a good chance of improving our 11.

Sinclair Swansea
Mackie QPR 261
Helgusson QPR 207
Kitson Portsmouth 158
Morison Millwall 178
Bothroyd Cardiff 317
Iwelumo Burnley 217

[Snowball]

Who cares whether they're in some statistical list? You asked which of them would improve our 11. You have been given an answer. One I'd certainly agree with quite a few of the choices, if not all.

I realise you are a bear with a tiny brain,
but the point is, sweetness, that all these
players, some of Premiership quality, and
many, very, very good Championship players
are NOT in the Actim Top 100, and that's because
only about 18% of players have any chance of being in there.


Now go and polish your radio, there's a love...

[cmonurz]

You've compiled a list of strikers not in the Actim Index, without knowing what strikers are in the Actim Index? I don't believe you, to be quite frank.

I'll count 'em up at another time. There's 5 strikers in the top 10, for a start.

I'll post up some interesting stats later, they'll be interesting as I expect them to show a skew towards attacking players. I also want to see how many of the Championships' strikers make the top 100, when Shane 'all-round game' Long, doesn't.

[Snowball]

You've compiled a list of strikers not in the Actim Index, without knowing what strikers are in the Actim Index? I don't believe you, to be quite frank.

I'll count 'em up at another time. There's 5 strikers in the top 10, for a start.

When I was compiling the starts/sub-appearances for all those p[layers in the Actim Index
I was also compiling goals scored. Some of the names I know to be strikers (as in that
means they are either the 1 up front or one of the the two. Others I don't know for sure.
For example Dyer at Swansea I think of as a winger. He's listed as a striker.


And beyond the obvious names, no I can't name the 2/3/4th strikers at various clubs.

The list of strikers NOT in the Actim Index (and there will be more) is easy. There's a
list of goal-scorers and against each it says, striker/midfielder/defender

But to go the OTHER way means looking at the Actim, getting a name, then trawling through 13 pages looking for him to see what he's classed as.

if the data was available on a database in Excel, say, it'd be a doddle.

But it ent.

[cmonurz]

Actualy it's not 13 pages, you can just find each player in soccerbase.com, I'll do it later after the game.

[Snowball]

Actualy it's not 13 pages, you can just find each player in soccerbase.com, I'll do it later after the game.

I looked up Championship Scorers

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/chami ... b_GB2.html


13 Pages

[Snowball]

PS


Harte now top-scorer at Reading FC this season

[Ian Royal]

Joint topscorer. With two other players, three if you include cup goals.

[Snowball]

Joint topscorer. With two other players, three if you include cup goals.

TOP SCORER

He has SIX goals this season, and that's official.

[Snowball]

BBC SPORT

Bothroyd Cardiff 13
Commons Derby 9
Iwelumo Burnley 9
Becchio Leeds United 8
Mackie QPR 8
McGugan Nott'm Forest 8
Graham Watford 7
King Leicester 7
Parkin Preston 7
Sinclair Swansea 7
Coppinger Doncaster 6
Hammill Barnsley 6
Lawrence Portsmouth 6
Morison Millwall 6
Sharp Doncaster 6
Harte Reading 6

League goals only. Totals can include goals scored for other teams. Only 15 players can be displayed so others tied on the same number of goals as the player listed 15th, but alphabetically after him, will not appear.

[RoyalX]

Joint topscorer. With two other players, three if you include cup goals.

TOP SCORER

He has SIX goals this season, and that's official.

Perhaps we should play him upfront then, because judging by tonight's performance he can't defend.

PS Goals for a League 2 team don't count as part of READING'S top goalscorer.

[Snowball]

PS Goals for a League 2 team don't count as part of READING'S top goalscorer.

Not correct

He's Reading's Clear Top Scorer.

If you mean Top Scorer for Reading of Goals for Reading, that's another thing.

But he has 6 goals and is on the BBC list with 6, as he should be. Standard practice.

And correction number 2. League ONE team

[RoyalX]

PS Goals for a League 2 team don't count as part of READING'S top goalscorer.

Not correct

He's Reading's Clear Top Scorer.

If you mean Top Scorer for Reading of Goals for Reading, that's another thing.

But he has 6 goals and is on the BBC list with 6, as he should be. Standard practice.

And correction number 2. League ONE team

Ahh, apologies.

Goals for a League 1 team don't count as part of READING'S top goalscorer.

You're hiding behind semantics. I notice that you didn't quarrel with the argument that his defending was diabolical tonight?

[RobRoyal]

Seriously disappointed by Harte's reaction to the nothing challenge today. Well done Ian, you've cheated a point for us. Doesn't feel that great.

[floyd__streete]

Not correct

He's Reading's Clear Top Scorer.

If you mean Top Scorer for Reading of Goals for Reading, that's another thing.

LOL, you really are full of absolutely pedantic sh*t aren't you.

[Wimb]

So you still haven't told us where Long is in the index have you Snowball

That is incorrect.

I told you "4th", did I not?

You told me that but Shane Long is not 4th in the Actim list is he

But then I can't ever expect you to concede ground on any argument ever can I?

[Snowball]

You told me that but Shane Long is not 4th in the Actim list is he

But then I can't ever expect you to concede ground on any argument ever can I?

What exactly is it that you want, Dear?

You asked. I answered. It could hardly have been a more obvious joke (but I bet a few donkeys went to check.)

Now the next bit is difficult for people to understand.

If Long, like a heck of a lot of other good strikers, is not in the top 100
and Actim only SHOW the top 100, then I cannot know Long's actual
position, unless I burgle the Actim Offices or hack their computers.

But then you know that, don't you?

[Snowball]

IN Actim Index 2009-2010

24th 543 Points - 10 + 2 = 12 Goals Jimmy Kebe Midfielder
36th 501 Points - 16 + 4 = 20 Goals Gylfi Siggurdson Midfielder
57th 470 Points - 01 + 0 = 01 Goals Ryan Bertrand Defender
61st 465 Points - 03 + 0 = 03 Goals Jobi McAnuff Midfielder



NOT in Actim Index 2009-2010

10 + 02 = 12 Goals - Striker Simon Church
06 + 03 = 09 Goals - Striker Shane Long
09 + 00 = 09 Goals - Striker Gregor Rasiak
04 + 00 = 04 Goals - Defender Alex Pearce

So where is the evidence that goals have a massive effect on final positions?

Why is McAnuff below Bertrand?
Why is Gylfi below Kebe
Why is defender Alex Pearce with 4 goals not in the table when 1 goal Bertrand is 57th?