Howard to Saints

[TedBundy89]

Probably:
starts (subs) assists

For each season he was with us, until he left for Pompey

But it's just an educated guess given presentation isn't snowy's forte.

Not sure if i believe it. Unless he's going backwards, i think he might be. This is almost as confusing as calling someone Elwood!

Assists are actually quite hard to come by and bare in mind our best so far this season is about 6.

Every goal we scored in 05/06 season seemed to come from a Glen Little cross, first half of 08/09 Stephen Hunt got about 18 assists, shame he only got about 2 assists after Christmas!

[Snowball]

Jesus I've been presenting appearances as 32 (15) for about three years now
and that's the first time someone has said "Huh?"

No people regularly tell you it's difficult to understand the figures you put up. The board membership is hardly fixed, and you are hardly important enough for the majority to take note of your conventions.

So what would you IMAGINE

Shane Long 32 (15) 20 Goals could mean? His waist and neck measurements?

[comeonyouroyals]

Jesus I've been presenting appearances as 32 (15) for about three years now
and that's the first time someone has said "Huh?"

No people regularly tell you it's difficult to understand the figures you put up. The board membership is hardly fixed, and you are hardly important enough for the majority to take note of your conventions.

So what would you IMAGINE

Shane Long 32 (15) 20 Goals could mean? His waist and neck measurements?

I'm actually with Snowball on this one , It is how all the media present it, infact I thought everyone presented it that way. Infact it's really obvious and I can't believe your even going to argue about something so trivial.

[Arch]

I have to think twice or even thrice to remind myself if the (15) is part of the 32 or additional to it. But I don't mind thinking, and I've found that Snowball isn't bad at interpreting others' (such as my) idiosyncratic way of making points without too much fuss.

[Ian Royal]

No people regularly tell you it's difficult to understand the figures you put up. The board membership is hardly fixed, and you are hardly important enough for the majority to take note of your conventions.

So what would you IMAGINE

Shane Long 32 (15) 20 Goals could mean? His waist and neck measurements?

I'm actually with Snowball on this one , It is how all the media present it, infact I thought everyone presented it that way. Infact it's really obvious and I can't believe your even going to argue about something so trivial.

It's not important, and I got it, thanks. Just pointing out what an over-reaction it is to throw a hissy fit when a non-regular poster questions what the heck some numbers with no explanation means.

[Snowball]

I'm actually with Snowball on this one , It is how all the media present it, infact I thought everyone presented it that way. Infact it's really obvious and I can't believe your even going to argue about something so trivial.

Of course, but it wouldn't be fun for IR to just agree, would it?

So we waste bandwidth dealing with his childish swipes instead of talking about the team

[T.R.O.L.I.]

Shane Long 32 (15) 20 Goals could mean? His waist and neck measurements?

Given your obsession, it really wouldn't be too much of a surprise - I expect youve also got his inside leg measurement too!

Having said that, and quite often I haven't got a clue what the figures are supposed to show when I read a Snowball post (using column heading is always a good start), 32 (15) has been the "designated" way for reporting Starts (Subs appearances) for as long as I can remember.

[Snowball]

Column headings would be nice if they lined up with the columns

[Barry the bird boggler]

This is not a done deal as yet, still more discussions to be had including one between the two Brians over the future at Reading.

[Wycombe Royal]

This is what a Southampton spokesman put on twitter yesterday:

Nigel Adkins puts Howard rumours down to speculation: "often happens when managers are looking at moving on / bringing in players"

[TedBundy89]

Sorry if I have offended Snowball here. I was a bit confused because the season stats were the wrong way round, why start from his last season with us? I would have started with his first season, why not put the season in front of the stats?

I might have displayed it like this:

04/05 33 (06) 08 Assists
05/06 34 (04) 14 Assists
06/07 20 (08) 10 Assists
07/08 00 (02) 00 Assists
08/09 05 (03) 00 Assists

Total 77 (23) 32 Assists

This is not including his first loan spell with us.

[readingbedding]

http://www.getreading.co.uk/sport/footb ... nts_switch

[Snowball]

Sorry if I have offended Snowball here. I was a bit confused because the season stats were the wrong way round, why start from his last season with us? I would have started with his first season, why not put the season in front of the stats?

I might have displayed it like this:

04/05 33 (06) 08 Assists
05/06 34 (04) 14 Assists
06/07 20 (08) 10 Assists
07/08 00 (02) 00 Assists
08/09 05 (03) 00 Assists

Total 77 (23) 32 Assists

This is not including his first loan spell with us.

YOU didn't offend me, Billy Bandwagon did. I just scanned for all his appearances (that I could find)

I could've posted just the total or could've put in the years but the only line that mattered was: Total 77 (23) 32 Assists

[Snowball]

http://www.getreading.co.uk/sport/football/readingfc/s/2089609_brian_howard_unsure_about_saints_switch

Fair play, after seeing that photograph
I think Brian Howard is brilliant, triumphing over his polio like that

[trueroyal1871]

It is. It makes for a peculiar style of football, where everything has to go wide and then back in again--rarely down the middle. Howard does have the skill of the slotted forward pass between defenders, though he doesn't do it often enough.

Are we really playing such bad football though? And Mcanuff and Kebe I think are the equals of Little and Convey (and possibly better). Also Legs is very talented and Karacan is improving game on game.

Do you remember a certain Arsenal team that had two defensive midfielders and seemed to do pretty well?

So that's that argument down the pan then.

I don't think we're playing badly at all, but I do think we would be a lot more dangerous if we had the midfielder getting in to the box attacking corners and taking on defenders through the middle. I think we'd be higher in the table as a result of this as well. The problem not having this sort of player is that when the wingers aren't performing or be closed down by the fullbacks we have no other goal threat. I just think the team would be more balanced going forward with this type of player alongside Leigertwood.

[Libertine]

Howard had basically been riding the pine, if a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it...well you know the rest.

I am assuming this will mean the younger players are going to get there chance to prove their worth down the stretch. I hear Morrison has a good shot of possibly starting this weekend.

[Z175]

Jesus I've been presenting appearances as 32 (15) for about three years now
and that's the first time someone has said "Huh?"

No people regularly tell you it's difficult to understand the figures you put up. The board membership is hardly fixed, and you are hardly important enough for the majority to take note of your conventions.

I think subs aren't important. If you need to quote them to back up your statistics then you are trying to twist them. Most players don't get in the game so much as a sub, may be brought on to hold the ball up, use up time or even as a target man. Doesn't compare at all to starting a game.

Darius Henderson. 9 goals, 3 starts. Great player.

[Snowball]

Jesus I've been presenting appearances as 32 (15) for about three years now
and that's the first time someone has said "Huh?"

No people regularly tell you it's difficult to understand the figures you put up. The board membership is hardly fixed, and you are hardly important enough for the majority to take note of your conventions.

I think subs aren't important. If you need to quote them to back up your statistics then you are trying to twist them. Most players don't get in the game so much as a sub, may be brought on to hold the ball up, use up time or even as a target man. Doesn't compare at all to starting a game.

Darius Henderson. 9 goals, 3 starts. Great player.

And yet for years people on here were saying that Shane Long only got his goals AS A SUB
because he was coming on fresh against tired players... and this season all Church's goals are
as a sub. As a starter he has drawn a blank.


Kind've disagrees with the above doesn't it?

[Snowball]

It is. It makes for a peculiar style of football, where everything has to go wide and then back in again--rarely down the middle. Howard does have the skill of the slotted forward pass between defenders, though he doesn't do it often enough.

Are we really playing such bad football though? And Mcanuff and Kebe I think are the equals of Little and Convey (and possibly better). Also Legs is very talented and Karacan is improving game on game.

Do you remember a certain Arsenal team that had two defensive midfielders and seemed to do pretty well?

So that's that argument down the pan then.

I don't think we're playing badly at all, but I do think we would be a lot more dangerous if we had the midfielder getting in to the box attacking corners and taking on defenders through the middle. I think we'd be higher in the table as a result of this as well. The problem not having this sort of player is that when the wingers aren't performing or be closed down by the fullbacks we have no other goal threat. I just think the team would be more balanced going forward with this type of player alongside Leigertwood.

MAYBE, but that player isn't Howard. He's defensively very poor and doesn't score goals

51 (10)* for 3 Goals over 2 seasons. That's hardly Sidwellesque is it?

Jem Karacan, this season 34 (02) has 2 goals, the same scoring ratio, but he's miles better defensively.

Elwood 18 (0) has 2 goals already, that's twice the scoring rate of Howard












51 Starts and 10 Sub appearances

[Wycombe Royal]

Elwood 18 (0) has 2 goals already

Who?