Back from the game - Watford (h)

[Royal Rother]

'Snippets' are not enough evidence for continuous sniping at the board and football management - nobody's having a dig at him for living away and not being able to attend many games alone, fair play if he gets to any, but to go mental non-stop on here about how shit the management is and throw a hissy fit after every game makes him look rather stupid given how little he actually sees us play.

[Sun Tzu]

I am going to stick up for Ideal here. It is all so very easy for supporters to pick on someone for not attending games. The guy lives abroad so he can't get to every game. Therefore, on this count alone, cut him some slack.

Not sure I need to stick up for myself but I shall !

My comment had nothing to do with whether he goes to games or not. I didn't mention it or allude to it !
I've never been that impressed by people quoting stats to prove any kind of point about football, it's just not a game that lends itself to that sort of analysis IMHO, whereas baseball and cricket do.
To throw some numbers into a thread and think that 'proves' anything is simply rubbish IMHO, where you live makes no difference to that.
There are lots of exiled fans who make perfectly sensible contributions, often that distance means they have a better perspective than some 'locals'.

Ideal deserves pulling up for a lot of what he posts, not becasue of his location but simply because it's wrong....

[Uke]

Next contestant, Mrs. Ideal from Torquay. Specialist subject - the bleeding obvious (backed up with crap 'statistics')

[ZacNaloen]

You can't "fail" ten games into the season.

[Sun Tzu]

Ideal

That is all well and good (but massively over reacting) however it bears no relevance whatsoever to the point I made about your dubious use of stats.

You are fully entitled to your views, but I will always treat any argument that relies on poor stats with extreme scepticism.

What the future holds for Rodgers I have no idea but until he's had a decent run of games I'm not really going to panic.

[londinium]

Stats are stats, you only refuse to acknowledge their validity because you want them to shine a better light on your idol Rodgers.

So I put it to you, please tell me why these stats are not acceptable to you, but still deemed acceptable by the BBC:

No Championship club has this season been involved in more goalless draws (three), failed to score more often (five times), lost more matches from winning positions (two) and dropped more points in games they have led (eight) than the Royals.

I think the point he is alluding to is the fact that 9 games is not long enough period to judge stats on.

Coppell's stats as a manager over his last 9 games at RFC must have been pretty poor but this doesnt make him a failure.

If I toss a coin 9 times and it lands on heads 9 times then the propotion of heads to tails is 100% against 0% but over a more sensible amount of tosses then we all know it will wroughly be 50-50.

Stats are all well and good but only when judged over a sensible period of time.

[Sun Tzu]

Stats are stats, you only refuse to acknowledge their validity because you want them to shine a better light on your idol Rodgers.]

I refuse to acknowledge your statement that you can analyse % possession and draw any significant conclusions from it. And the fact that your conclusions are easily refuted simply by reference to our 106 season seems to go right over your head !!

So I put it to you, please tell me why these stats are not acceptable to you, but still deemed acceptable by the BBC:

The BBC / Sky / the press etc love stats. They fill space and give the so called 'experts' something to talk about. But as you have proved they don;t mean a whole lot. Just becasue the BBC publish random numbers doesn't make football any more of a game you can boil down to numbers - however simplistically you do it.
Rather than thinking numbers tell you everything make up your own mind. The ONLY number that really matters is the points total at the end of the season. Most of the rest is fluff.

[Royalee]

No Championship club has lost more matches from winning positions (two) and dropped more points in games they have led (eight) than the Royals. [/b]

But that's where stats are open to interpretation - you could argue that we have looked like winning a lot more games than those around us and had we kept concentration then we could have had 8 more points. These 8 more points would have us up with Sheffield United in 6th - I don't think many would be bitching and whining then. Rodgers is aware we need to concentrate and is trying to sort that out, but a real failure would see us getting outplayed week in, week out and getting thumped, which has only happened once this season.

[Uke]

The ONLY number that really matters is the points total at the end of the season. Most of the rest is fluff.

Someone else used to say that, although I can't quite remember who...

[londinium]

Stats are stats, you only refuse to acknowledge their validity because you want them to shine a better light on your idol Rodgers.

So I put it to you, please tell me why these stats are not acceptable to you, but still deemed acceptable by the BBC:

No Championship club has this season been involved in more goalless draws (three), failed to score more often (five times), lost more matches from winning positions (two) and dropped more points in games they have led (eight) than the Royals.

After the Doncaster game

Ideal wrote:
The way I see it, having 55% possession means very little, if all that is sideways passing, and very little of that is in front of goal.

After the Watford game

Ideal wrote:
Having only 41%-44% of the possession in a home game is horrendously poor.

so which one is it Ideal????

[Sun Tzu]

Stats are stats, you only refuse to acknowledge their validity because you want them to shine a better light on your idol Rodgers.

So I put it to you, please tell me why these stats are not acceptable to you, but still deemed acceptable by the BBC:

No Championship club has this season been involved in more goalless draws (three), failed to score more often (five times), lost more matches from winning positions (two) and dropped more points in games they have led (eight) than the Royals.

After the Doncaster game

Ideal wrote:
The way I see it, having 55% possession means very little, if all that is sideways passing, and very little of that is in front of goal.

After the Watford game

Ideal wrote:
Having only 41%-44% of the possession in a home game is horrendously poor.

so which one is it Ideal????

50% of the options appear to me to be wrong , with another 50% seeming reasonable.

[Royal Rother]

Stats are stats, you only refuse to acknowledge their validity because you want them to shine a better light on your idol Rodgers.

So I put it to you, please tell me why these stats are not acceptable to you, but still deemed acceptable by the BBC:

No Championship club has this season been involved in more goalless draws (three), failed to score more often (five times), lost more matches from winning positions (two) and dropped more points in games they have led (eight) than the Royals.

After the Doncaster game

Ideal wrote:
The way I see it, having 55% possession means very little, if all that is sideways passing, and very little of that is in front of goal.

After the Watford game

Ideal wrote:
Having only 41%-44% of the possession in a home game is horrendously poor.

so which one is it Ideal????

Thank you for putting it on the right thread!! My mistake! (I think I deserved a namecheck though!)

[Sun Tzu]

If you are a team who has tried to play possession football all season, and then all of a sudden wind up with only 41% possession, then that may be an indication that something is wrong.

The score in the game would be a better, simpler and less arbitrary indication though.

41% possession and a 2-0 win and that looks like the stats are OK to me.

75% possession and a 2-0 defeat and something went wrong.

There certainly was a period when people went way over the top with this sort of analysis - you end up with Charles Hughes and route 1. But I thought that was all a bit passe now.