Alfie's perfectly good goal today

[melonhead]

rubbish.


clearly off his shoulder.
every pundit that i saw or hard talking about it said it wasnt a hand ball.
all the slow mo replays confirmed it wasnt.

[Ouroboros]

every pundit that i saw or hard talking about it said it wasnt a hand ball.

"The pundits said" - the last refuge of the scoundrel.

[melonhead]

every pundit that i saw or hard talking about it said it wasnt a hand ball.

"The pundits said" - the last refuge of the scoundrel.

except, as they were looking at it, and explaining why it wasnt a hand ball, you could also look at the pictures with your eyes, and also see that it wasnt a hand ball

[Ouroboros]

I don't think it was off his shoulder though, I did rewatch it yesterday and I think it struck him on the arm.

Now you might allow it based on your interpretation of the handball rule, but the rule as applied is a fackshambles at the moment so it wouldn't have surprised me in the slightest to see it ruled out. Whether I'd have agreed with that or not, I think we got the better of a contentious issue there.

[old woman]

Wigan, yesterday. Ba`s handled goal, Torres`s offside goal , Barry`s dubious goal.
thats 6 possible points we`ve been denied this season by useless officials

Not to mention the penalty not given against Spurs at home when it was 0-0

[Ian Royal]

he practically threw it in, but whatever.

Are you blind? It hit his chest and glanced off his upper arm on the way in.

[Ouroboros]

he practically threw it in, but whatever.

Are you blind? It hit his chest and glanced off his upper arm on the way in.

Actually yes, I've been blind since birth. So I don't have a right to an opinion, apparently. Racist.

[melonhead]

[Ian Royal]

Are you blind? It hit his chest and glanced off his upper arm on the way in.

Actually yes, I've been blind since birth. So I don't have a right to an opinion, apparently. Racist.

Of course you have a right to have an opinion, even though it's wrong.

[Rev Algenon Stickleback H]

:lol:

I don't think it was off his shoulder though, I did rewatch it yesterday and I think it struck him on the arm.

So it hit his arm, you say.

Are you of the belief that hitting the arm makes it handball?

Or do you perhaps think because the deflection was crucial in the ball going in, it has to be handball?

[Man Friday]

:lol:

I don't think it was off his shoulder though, I did rewatch it yesterday and I think it struck him on the arm.

This has to be a wind-up. (Very) slow motion replays showed it came off his body.

[Ouroboros]

:lol:

I don't think it was off his shoulder though, I did rewatch it yesterday and I think it struck him on the arm.

So it hit his arm, you say.

Are you of the belief that hitting the arm makes it handball?

Or do you perhaps think because the deflection was crucial in the ball going in, it has to be handball?

I'm of the belief that if there's a reasonable case that the ball touching your forearm assisted you in scoring then you should count yourself slightly lucky when it's not ruled out.

For those who honestly think it touched his shoulder: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8Gl_sAWN1A&sns=em

Obvs it came off his chest first.

[Ian Royal]

So I take it you've accepted you were talking out your arse when you said he practically threw it in then.

It glances off his arm from his chest, it was going in anyway, no significant change of flight, no advantage gained, nothing deliberate about it = not handball in any way.

[Ouroboros]

So I take it you've accepted you were talking out your arse when you said he practically threw it in then.

It glances off his arm from his chest, it was going in anyway, no significant change of flight, no advantage gained, nothing deliberate about it = not handball in any way.

Yeah, that bit was a joke, so 'talking out of your arse' is right in a sense I suppose.

I don't think any of us can say with much certainty what the flight of the ball was as it came off his chest.

But as I'm in the minority I'm going to pretend it was a big wind-up and be on my way.

[Hoop Blah]

QPR had some shocking decisions go against them in January too. Do we want to give them the points so they might go above us.

Most cliche's are based in fact, and the cliche that these things pretty much even themselves out is pretty true. Better teams seem to get 'more luck' because they invariable create more chances to get the rub of the green or take more advantage of the opportunites that come their way.

[melonhead]

id assume that psychologically speaking most refs/people would give more 50:50 decisions to the home team.
as they will naturally be swayed by the noise of the crowd.
it stands to reason that the crowd will be louder at the bigger clubs.
therefore its probable that big teams get more decisions at home than smaller teams.



thats said. its not a systematic or even conscious thing, and i dont think its going to make a big difference over a season
so who cares

[Man Friday]

id assume that psychologically speaking most refs/people would give more 50:50 decisions to the home team.
as they will naturally be swayed by the noise of the crowd.
it stands to reason that the crowd will be louder at the bigger clubs.
therefore its probable that big teams get more decisions at home than smaller teams.



thats said. its not a systematic or even conscious thing, and i dont think its going to make a big difference over a season
so who cares

Depends what you mean by "big". Man U/Chelsea etc gain by several points each season. Reading etc lose out by several points. Not the difference between being related and a Champions League place but the difference beween relegated and not being relegated and between proceeding in the F.A. Cup or being knocked out. Unquestionably. I would say that for referees it is mainly conscious, well cowardly. Most would rather face the flak from Reading's pea-shooters than the big guns of, say, Man U.

[SydenhamRoyal]

id assume that psychologically speaking most refs/people would give more 50:50 decisions to the home team.
as they will naturally be swayed by the noise of the crowd.
it stands to reason that the crowd will be louder at the bigger clubs.
therefore its probable that big teams get more decisions at home than smaller teams.



thats said. its not a systematic or even conscious thing, and i dont think its going to make a big difference over a season
so who cares

Depends what you mean by "big". Man U/Chelsea etc gain by several points each season. Reading etc lose out by several points. Not the difference between being related and a Champions League place but the difference beween relegated and not being relegated and between proceeding in the F.A. Cup or being knocked out. Unquestionably. I would say that for referees it is mainly conscious, well cowardly. Most would rather face the flak from Reading's pea-shooters than the big guns of, say, Man U.

Or the death threats from Chelsea. Definitely cowardly to want to avoid those

[Rev Algenon Stickleback H]

:lol:

I don't think it was off his shoulder though, I did rewatch it yesterday and I think it struck him on the arm.

So it hit his arm, you say.

Are you of the belief that hitting the arm makes it handball?

Or do you perhaps think because the deflection was crucial in the ball going in, it has to be handball?

I'm of the belief that if there's a reasonable case that the ball touching your forearm assisted you in scoring then you should count yourself slightly lucky when it's not ruled out.
.

So basically you think the the laws of the game are incorrect and referees should give decisions based on what you think the rules ought to be?

Are you Andy Townsend?