Don't blame Rogers blame Madejski

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Re: Don't blame Rogers blame Madejski

by sandman » 20 Sep 2009 11:37

Royal Lady No - the manager was told he had to sell before he could buy. If he didn't want some of those players, he's an even worse Manager than I currently consider him to be.

Madejski has stripped the club of its assets ready to sell on to someone else, but this will backfire now, because no-one will want the club in its present position, the fans have no faith in the management, JM will be stuck with a lowly club, fewer supporters, less money coming in and he'll have undone in one season all the good things he'd done previously.

I really don't think JM cares much anymore, his heart isn't in it, in the same way as Coppell knew he was leaving and stayed on for a season longer than he wanted to, JM is having to stay here but doesn't want to. It's all very well being prudent - but there's prudence and there's being a complete tight @rse - and I can't help thinking how different things would have been if, in our second season in the Prem, he'd speculated to accumulate and spent a couple of million or so and we would have stayed up and everything would have looked much rosier financially and footballing wise.

As I've said before, however, Rodgers knew what he was getting in to, he knew he had to "cut the cloth" so there was no cloth left - if he wasn't happy about that he should have said so and not taken the job. With the money he has been allowed, he's wasted it - he is tactically inept and certainly, to my mind, is and was not the man for the job. But who to have attracted instead of him? I have no idea, because any manager worth his salt would not have come into a club that was so willing to strip its assets bare. So you get what you pay for in terms of management and team - and we must now get used to the fact that unless someone comes in for us who has so much money they don't know what to do with it, we're going to be stuck like this for some time. :cry:


No manager wants to play another guys team he wants his own players in to impose his own ideas.This is his team his players. He knows the young players from when they were 11-12 years old, no doubt at Chelsea he still followed their progress he knows their strengths and their weaknesses. He was given money for his own players he was complicit in missing out on his top target (along with others) through his big mouth but apart from that he has got the players he wanted.

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Re: Don't blame Rogers blame Madejski

by howser » 20 Sep 2009 11:41

I think you will find that reason that Harps and Rosey were sent out was due to thier salaries, an example of Mr Ego and his cloth cutting exercise.

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Re: Don't blame Rogers blame Madejski

by sandman » 20 Sep 2009 11:46

howser I think you will find that reason that Harps and Rosey were sent out was due to thier salaries, an example of Mr Ego and his cloth cutting exercise.


"My face didn't fit down there" those words are by James Harper. Harps wasn't in the team at the start of the season that is the main reason he left.

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Re: Don't blame Rogers blame Madejski

by Smoking Kills Dancing Doe » 20 Sep 2009 11:49

howser I think you will find that reason that Harps and Rosey were sent out was due to thier salaries, an example of Mr Ego and his cloth cutting exercise.


They weren't at all.

Agree or disagree I can understand Rodgers' call on those 2...

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Re: Don't blame Rogers blame Madejski

by Sir Rodney Effing » 20 Sep 2009 11:52

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winchester_royal Speaking of money......when are those finance reports we were promised. :evil:


Oh the irony! They cost a princely £1 to download from Companies House (and I never promised them; just said how to download 'em - read the posts carefully). If you think I'm uploading 21 pages of PDFs up here you've got another thing coming mate!


Ermmm.....

I meant the release of the reports from the club. Which we were promised by Sir John himself.


Ok - sorry! :oops:


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Re: Don't blame Rogers blame Madejski

by North Somerset Royal » 20 Sep 2009 12:02

As I understand it the Board made it clear at the interviews with prospective candidates that the club had to reduce the wage bill by selling the crown jewels and use the funds obtained to repay bank & other borrowing. The fact is that Rodgers would not have got the job if he had not accepted those circumstances and agreed to utilise the academy products.

I do not blame JM for using the premiership bonus to reduce debts and increase the clubs fixed assets and thereby maximise the value of his shares. I think we would all do the same in the circs particularly as he is getting on and wants to go.

I do not blame Rodgers for the situation we are in but having seen every game this season I do question his tactical ability and I wonder whether he is up to the job whatever players he has. Also I wonder what are we paying Frank Lampard Senior for. Surely someone of his experience should be able to get the team playing more cohesively than has been the case.

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Re: Don't blame Rogers blame Madejski

by Fezza » 20 Sep 2009 12:03

It's not Sir John's job to look at the tactics and to motivate a winning side for a second half of football. It also wasn't Sir John's decision to remove one of the best players on the pitch just before we conceded last week.

Rodgers = used car salesman!

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Re: Don't blame Rogers blame Madejski

by strap » 20 Sep 2009 12:10

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winchester_royal Speaking of money......when are those finance reports we were promised. :evil:


Oh the irony! They cost a princely £1 to download from Companies House (and I never promised them; just said how to download 'em - read the posts carefully). If you think I'm uploading 21 pages of PDFs up here you've got another thing coming mate!


Doesn't matter - I posted a summary of the last 4 or 5 years accounts up on a previous thread and they were removed from here in minutes! HNA doesn't want to annoy Mr Mad for fear of reprisals.

Suffice to say, assest stripping is alive and well and living in RG. Arabs offering 80Mill for RFC?? Mr Mad would bite their arms off!!! Gets his 25Mill loan back plus 55Mill profit. Who says you canlt make a packet out of football?!?!

LOL at all those who STILL thinks he's actually GIVEN his cash to RFC!!! LOANED dear people, LOANED!!!

Wonder how long this stays up!

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Re: Don't blame Rogers blame Madejski

by Franchise FC » 20 Sep 2009 12:18

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howser I think you will find that reason that Harps and Rosey were sent out was due to thier salaries, an example of Mr Ego and his cloth cutting exercise.


They weren't at all.

Agree or disagree I can understand Rodgers' call on those 2...


The Rosey one is a mystery, though. Rodgers states that the reason is that there's only a year left on his contract and he's building for the future - at the same time that he's loaning in a couple of players we have NO CHANCE of retaining permanently. I'm afraid you can't have it both ways, and if it's really a case of salary, then better to shut up than make yourself look stupid.

I'm afraid I have little confidence in the Chosen One - in fact, Eddie Murphy would probably do at least as well at the moment (or at the very least give us some laughs).


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Re: Don't blame Rogers blame Madejski

by W&E Royal » 20 Sep 2009 12:19

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sawyers left arm If your not given anything to work with what do you expect. As far as I am concerned Madejski has what he wants now high earners going and kids taking their place.
I expect bottom 6 this year and nothing more.

Wake up everyone all that is happening here is Madejski lining his pockets before he goes. Where has all the money gone? Back in Mr Mads pockets


SEVEN players in.



RODGERS has had the availability of funds, he can not complain.
He has spent the money on SHIT players, SHIT players which HE decided to buy..
He could have spent it on better players, but HE wanted SHIT like Rasiak and Howard.

The man spent £3M on Rasiak, Howard and Mills.
That is just PATHETIC.

Add to that he spent what, half a million on McAnuff, and wanted to spend £1.8M on Smith, but fukked that transfer up.

So all in all, he has had £5.3M available to him - that is substantial funds, that he has made no success from these funds is entirely up to him - after all HE decides which players to get, and if the ones HE decides to get are no good, well then he can only blame himself.

RODGERS OUT!!!!!


Well done that man!!

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Re: Don't blame Rogers blame Madejski

by winchester_royal » 20 Sep 2009 12:22

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sawyers left arm If your not given anything to work with what do you expect. As far as I am concerned Madejski has what he wants now high earners going and kids taking their place.
I expect bottom 6 this year and nothing more.

Wake up everyone all that is happening here is Madejski lining his pockets before he goes. Where has all the money gone? Back in Mr Mads pockets


SEVEN players in.



RODGERS has had the availability of funds, he can not complain.
He has spent the money on SHIT players, SHIT players which HE decided to buy..
He could have spent it on better players, but HE wanted SHIT like Rasiak and Howard.

The man spent £3M on Rasiak, Howard and Mills.
That is just PATHETIC.

Add to that he spent what, half a million on McAnuff, and wanted to spend £1.8M on Smith, but fukked that transfer up.

So all in all, he has had £5.3M available to him - that is substantial funds, that he has made no success from these funds is entirely up to him - after all HE decides which players to get, and if the ones HE decides to get are no good, well then he can only blame himself.

RODGERS OUT!!!!!


LOL if you think Rodgers would have bought Ras and Howard if he had got Smith.

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Re: Don't blame Rogers blame Madejski

by Fezza » 20 Sep 2009 12:24

Not so worried about the signings so much as the complete lack of tactical awareness and motivation in the squad.

If someone had spent £2 million bringing me to a club and then let me warm the bench I'd be pretty pissed off.

Rodgers was sold to us as a great motivator whose players would do anything for, I can't say I'm seeing that yet....

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Re: Don't blame Rogers blame Madejski

by Sir Rodney Effing » 20 Sep 2009 12:27

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sawyers left arm If your not given anything to work with what do you expect. As far as I am concerned Madejski has what he wants now high earners going and kids taking their place.
I expect bottom 6 this year and nothing more.

Wake up everyone all that is happening here is Madejski lining his pockets before he goes. Where has all the money gone? Back in Mr Mads pockets


SEVEN players in.



RODGERS has had the availability of funds, he can not complain.
He has spent the money on SHIT players, SHIT players which HE decided to buy..
He could have spent it on better players, but HE wanted SHIT like Rasiak and Howard.

The man spent £3M on Rasiak, Howard and Mills.
That is just PATHETIC.

Add to that he spent what, half a million on McAnuff, and wanted to spend £1.8M on Smith, but fukked that transfer up.

So all in all, he has had £5.3M available to him - that is substantial funds, that he has made no success from these funds is entirely up to him - after all HE decides which players to get, and if the ones HE decides to get are no good, well then he can only blame himself.

RODGERS OUT!!!!!


So... what are you trying to say my friend?

I do wish people would make themsleves clear :wink:


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Re: Don't blame Rogers blame Madejski

by Smoking Kills Dancing Doe » 20 Sep 2009 12:31

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howser I think you will find that reason that Harps and Rosey were sent out was due to thier salaries, an example of Mr Ego and his cloth cutting exercise.


They weren't at all.

Agree or disagree I can understand Rodgers' call on those 2...


The Rosey one is a mystery, though. Rodgers states that the reason is that there's only a year left on his contract and he's building for the future - at the same time that he's loaning in a couple of players we have NO CHANCE of retaining permanently. I'm afraid you can't have it both ways, and if it's really a case of salary, then better to shut up than make yourself look stupid.

I'm afraid I have little confidence in the Chosen One - in fact, Eddie Murphy would probably do at least as well at the moment (or at the very least give us some laughs).


I have little confidence in him, I don't think his style actually works, unless you are top, top draw.

But I just think Rosenior is shocking. I know what you say about long term planning and some of our loan signings. O'Dea is obviously a great, who we'd have no chance of getting or getting anyone as good on a permanent deal. Rasiak was a gamble, not looking a good one.

I think Rosenior was shown the door because he's just that bad.

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Re: Don't blame Rogers blame Madejski

by sandman » 20 Sep 2009 12:33

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LOL if you think Rodgers would have bought Ras and Howard if he had got Smith.


I'm pretty sure he wanted Rasiak anyway regardless of the outcome of the Smith transfer. He didn't want Harper which is why he signed Howard.

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Re: Don't blame Rogers blame Madejski

by Platypuss » 20 Sep 2009 13:51

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winchester_royal Speaking of money......when are those finance reports we were promised. :evil:


Oh the irony! They cost a princely £1 to download from Companies House (and I never promised them; just said how to download 'em - read the posts carefully). If you think I'm uploading 21 pages of PDFs up here you've got another thing coming mate!


Doesn't matter - I posted a summary of the last 4 or 5 years accounts up on a previous thread and they were removed from here in minutes! HNA doesn't want to annoy Mr Mad for fear of reprisals.

Wonder how long this stays up!


With the greatest of respect, Strap, this is utter bollox.

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Re: Don't blame Rogers blame Madejski

by Deathy » 20 Sep 2009 13:57

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RODGERS has had the availability of funds, he can not complain.
He has spent the money on SHIT players, SHIT players which HE decided to buy..
He could have spent it on better players, but HE wanted SHIT like Rasiak and Howard.


That's it, you give 'em a chance! :roll:

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Re: Don't blame Rogers blame Madejski

by Ian Royal » 20 Sep 2009 13:59

Rodgers has effectively spent over £3m. Pretty much double what any Reading manager has spent outside the Premier League.

He has plenty of good players, but he has bought badly, for a system he can't employ effectively, leaving him with few options but to continue to play that system, badly.

He has shown he can't get the absolute basics of managment correct. Your start to the season is absolutely crucial, and he has openly said he's treated the first 5 games as preseason. We didn't even TRY to win against Forest, it was like watching a training excercise until the last 10 mintues when the players worked out a goal wasn't just going to be miraculously awarded to them for pretty passing in their own half.

He's chopped and changed the team and formation, giving the players no chance to settle into partnerships and a pattern of play.

He's completely failed to address the gaping weakness of our formation against Peterborough and just let them exploit it and get straight back into the game and beat us when we should have gone on and stuffed them, or at least managed a draw. His substitutes were all wrong and all way too late.

The complaints against Coppell, were that he didn't have a plan B, was too loyal and didn't make enough changes in or out of games. That he stuck blindly to a 4-4-2 when it wasn't working. That he didn't bring in enough players or of a high enough quality.

Well Rodgers doesn't have an effective plan A, won't give the team a chance to settle by making changes every game, sticks blindly to anything but 4-4-2 and has brought in lots of players for quite a lot of money, who aren't right to make his system work, and on current showings aren't good enough.

Although actually I think all the signings are good enough. If only they had some decent management.

He may be an excellent coach. On current showings he is a poor manager who believes his own hype far too much.

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Re: Don't blame Rogers blame Madejski

by Ian Royal » 20 Sep 2009 14:01

winchester_royal Speaking of money......when are those finance reports we were promised. :evil:


You weren't promised a financial report. You were promised an explanation of where the money has gone, in due course.

That could easily be, once the accounts are actually done.

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Re: Don't blame Rogers blame Madejski

by Deathy » 20 Sep 2009 14:13

He hasn't bought badly at all.

Mills at £1.1m (as it stands) is good buisness for a very highly rated defender that just needs games, time and decent players around him.
McAnuff is a proven winger at this level, and for the estimated £500k, a good bit of buisiness but he needs to get fit.
Rasiak is proven at this level. His goalscoring record as mentioned on numerous other threads matches Doyles for about the last 150 games or something like that. Give or take 3-4 goals.

Why again are these bad signings?

It's the system that sucks. Give us a 4-4-2 and some width, two strikers and we would be a much improved side imo.

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