How Long Will BM Last at this rate?????

[melonhead]

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In answer to Woodcote
It's probably because I'm not very bright,a compulsory factor for anybody spending as much time as a lot of us do on a football club website arguing with complete strrangers,some of whom hardly ever even go to matches.
You fail to mention the flukey 3 points that we got against West Brom and that we score important goals in added time just like Man City did against us so like most of us you use the convenient part of an argument that suits but that happens if you are not very bright.

Incidentally what you and your not very bright buddy melonhead never can grasp is that any criticism (and I may be speaking for cmonurz and Hoop Blah here but they are bright enough to speak for themselves) occurs because we want the best for our club and this is a forum designed to discuss decisions taken by our club that I suggest we care about much more than Madejski,any Russian or McDermott or players who are all in it just for the money whereas we fans were here long before them and will be here long after they have moved on.

not sure why you feel the need drag me into your gay spat, or to insult people for stating their opinions.
just saying what i believe mate.

[melonhead]

Where have you got this mythical £40m from though?

We needed a bit more quality, not a whole squad. I'm sure McDermott could've spent a bit more astutely enough to make enough of an impact on the fine lines between success and failure we saw earlier in the season.

only if you believe he had more than the money he spent available
which i dont, as you know, due to him repeatedly saying he had a budget and spent it all.



for 5 million quid, to get the 6 players in that he did is nothing short of genius
imo

I meant he could've spent a bit more money (ie in addition to that he already did) to get what we needed if he spent it well.

He didn't need to spend £40m on a whole new team, just one or two more significant signings to improve on the first team not just be similar quality options. Add those key players and get the change in tactics and approach right and we'd have been more competitive.

im in danger of repeating myself i know, but im saying i believe that he didnt have a little bit more money to spend.

[melonhead]

guthrie wasnt.
the one person with the passing ability to make that system work.

as soon as he was back, and hapy again. he was in the squad, and the system was changed

Guthrie was available, training and on the bench before he got a look in again.

It appears the reason he didn't go to Sunderland was probably because of the way he was treated on his return to the squad. He wasn't used away at Southampton because McDermott said he wasn't fit enough for a 10 minute run out, unlike other players who've come straight back in to the side after similar lay offs.

It took another 2 or 3 games for McDermott to change things around.

he may not have been injuired, but hed been out for a month, so im quite happy that BM eased him back in.


lol at not being played when he demanded it being an excuse.

[melonhead]

He didn't need to spend £40m on a whole new team, just one or two more significant signings to improve on the first team not just be similar quality options. Add those key players and get the change in tactics and approach right and we'd have been more competitive.

^This.

I've never advocated buying a whole new squad, and brendy I can't find anything in your posts that explains why you feel that we either take the approach we have this season (spend little) or take the QPR approach and buy everyone and their dog.

2 or 3 quality signings in the right positions might have made all the difference, and I can't see that they would have led to financial armageddon.

a month ago, none of our players were prem quality, and we had no chance of staying up
saints spent 30 million, QPR just as much. surely if its about what we spent, then wed need to spend more than them just to compete?
even if its the 25 million you are advocating, its irrelevant, cos thats not the budget we actually had.
so he filled the positions required, with players for a cost that was within the budget he had been given.

at no point have i mentioned financial armageddon.although im loling at the idea of someone just writing off 25 million quid of other peoples money on what i consider a very risky gamble.

[melonhead]

Generally tend to agree with HB, urz etc but do see where 2WW and WR are coming from.

IMO, I think Brian has been admitting (in a non-direct way) since he took over that our squad has lacked the quality needed to dominate games; and with the budgets he's had to spend, I can't say I'm surprised at that.

What he has done has squeeze the life out of what quality we've had and boosted that by trying to instill a team spirit in the squad and feel good factor around the club. What that leaves us with is a team that can compete but still can't dominate a game at the top level.

How much our results are then down to 'luck' is entirely subjective, however take the result out of the equation, re-watch all of our games this season and you'd probably admit we've had just as much luck go our way as against us.

People can't one minute say Federici's errors are down to bad luck and then at the same time dismiss the good fortune in us scoring 3 times in 12 minutes against West Brom due to some mad defending from the visitors. Likewise, as much as Torres goal was offside, Chelsea had dominated us for a good portion of that match and Guthrie's free-kick had more than a bit of 'good fortune' about it thanks to Cech's woefull keeping. Likewise who's to say that Chelsea wouldn't have scored in those last few minutes anyway?

The Newcastle game was one we could and should have won but how many saw the handball in the stadium and how many of our players were rampantly appealing the decision? It was a bad bit of officiating and bad luck but those things just happen and I cannot for a second agree that there was any 'bias' about it.

My overall point here is that if you look at our wins over Everton, West Brom and Newcastle, if you replayed those games 100 times, more often than not the opposition would win them due to the number of chances they create in comparison with ours.

On the other hand, as others have said, that was the case for plenty of games last season and in the end our resilience combined with being effective with what few chances we did create, saw us win games and get promoted.

That strategy is a risky one but given our resources it's the only one we can employ.

To have refused to roll over and die is a huge testament to Brian and the players and while I think he's made a fair few mistakes, it's impossible to deny he's got the vast majority of key calls right in the past 3 years. The key area we can't fully judge him on is player recruitment because no matter what's been said in public, we really do not know what money he's had to spend, who was available and if they would have wanted to come here. What we can judge him on is how far he's taken the group he has to work with and I honestly don't think any other manager could have gotten more out of this group.

great post

[Royal Rother]

Interesting that you and Royal Rother who don't go to games appear to hold some of the strongest opinions-at least Ian Royal watches the WHOLE game online.

When it's on and I'm not out watching proper football at Stag Meadow I watch the WHOLE game online.

The only strong opinions I have are that most football supporters are fickle, faithless, disloyal and childish.

Unfortunately age is no discriminator in that.

[Hoop Blah]

Interesting that you and Royal Rother who don't go to games appear to hold some of the strongest opinions-at least Ian Royal watches the WHOLE game online.

When it's on and I'm not out watching proper football at Stag Meadow I watch the WHOLE game online.

The only strong opinions I have are that most football supporters are fickle, faithless, disloyal and childish.

Unfortunately age is no discriminator in that.

Fickle? Disloyal? Haven't you swapped allegiences between 3 clubs over the last few years?

[Hoop Blah]

guthrie wasnt.
the one person with the passing ability to make that system work.

as soon as he was back, and hapy again. he was in the squad, and the system was changed

Guthrie was available, training and on the bench before he got a look in again.

It appears the reason he didn't go to Sunderland was probably because of the way he was treated on his return to the squad. He wasn't used away at Southampton because McDermott said he wasn't fit enough for a 10 minute run out, unlike other players who've come straight back in to the side after similar lay offs.

It took another 2 or 3 games for McDermott to change things around.

he may not have been injuired, but hed been out for a month, so im quite happy that BM eased him back in.


lol at not being played when he demanded it being an excuse.

Not demanding, just (probably) totally demotivated and disillusioned with being told that he wasn't fit enough to contribute for 10 minutes or so at the end of a game.

I'm certainly not putting it forward as an excuse, but it may have been a reason for his 'state of mind'.

[Hoop Blah]

im in danger of repeating myself i know, but im saying i believe that he didnt have a little bit more money to spend.

My comment about spending 'a little' more money astutely to make significant improvements on top of his existing signings was in direct response to your mythical £40m being required to make any real difference.

[BR2]

Interesting that you and Royal Rother who don't go to games appear to hold some of the strongest opinions-at least Ian Royal watches the WHOLE game online.

When it's on and I'm not out watching proper football at Stag Meadow I watch the WHOLE game online.

The only strong opinions I have are that most football supporters are fickle, faithless, disloyal and childish.

Unfortunately age is no discriminator in that.

As a football fan I would accept childish but am far from fickle or disloyal and consider myself as consistent and loyal.

[floyd__streete]

When it's on and I'm not out watching proper football at Stag Meadow I watch the WHOLE game online.

The only strong opinions I have are that most football supporters are fickle, faithless, disloyal and childish.

Unfortunately age is no discriminator in that.

Tbh, Rother, I don't quite know why you spend so much of your precious time discussing and arguing with fickle, faithless, disloyal and childish people when you so clearly see yourself on some sort of higher intellectual and emotional plain. I think it is probably because you are a bit childish yourself

[Royal Rother]

Yes, very probably.

[Big Ern]

Royal Rother childish?

That's being a bit kind. I would have said he is just a twat.

[Big Ern]

Interesting that you and Royal Rother who don't go to games appear to hold some of the strongest opinions-at least Ian Royal watches the WHOLE game online.

When it's on and I'm not out watching proper football at Stag Meadow I watch the WHOLE game online.

The only strong opinions I have are that most football supporters are fickle, faithless, disloyal and childish.

Unfortunately age is no discriminator in that.

As a football fan I would accept childish but am far from fickle or disloyal and consider myself as consistent and loyal.

Well done. We're all so very proud of you. I will write a letter to the club so as they are aware of this.

[melonhead]

Guthrie was available, training and on the bench before he got a look in again.

It appears the reason he didn't go to Sunderland was probably because of the way he was treated on his return to the squad. He wasn't used away at Southampton because McDermott said he wasn't fit enough for a 10 minute run out, unlike other players who've come straight back in to the side after similar lay offs.

It took another 2 or 3 games for McDermott to change things around.

he may not have been injuired, but hed been out for a month, so im quite happy that BM eased him back in.


lol at not being played when he demanded it being an excuse.

Not demanding, just (probably) totally demotivated and disillusioned with being told that he wasn't fit enough to contribute for 10 minutes or so at the end of a game.

I'm certainly not putting it forward as an excuse, but it may have been a reason for his 'state of mind'.

sure it had something to do with it.
good job th erest of the team dont do that every time they dont play

[Victor Meldrew]

In reply to that very strange Big Ern person in Mexico,why do you find it odd that a fan might write a letter to a football club?

[Extended-Phenotype]

I liked the bit where Melons translated 'bit more investment' into £40m in order to get a handle on the argument. Proves the real point is rather bulletproof.

[melonhead]

did nothing of the sort- made quite clear that was a rough idea of how much i thought was needed if we were to build a premeiere league side that had a good chance of outcompeting our rivals in the summer.


thats a bigger strawman than the one youve falsely accused me of

[SPARTA]

[Schards#2]

McDermott now best price 50/1 to be next manager sacked. Funny old game!