Harte is Rubbish, not good enough for the Championship

[Royal With Cheese]

After over 300 posts, I'm not sure anyone knows what's going on anymore.

[Wycombe Royal]

After over 300 posts, I'm not sure anyone knows what's going on anymore.

The world is flat, God has been found and Shane Long is the greatest striker to have ever lived. After Paul Brayson.

[Snowball]

His studs do not touch Harte's anke-instep, the studs graze the shin and then hit the ground. The contact between knees is more minimal than the contact with the shin. I really must be looking at a different video to you, so I think well have to agree to disagree, if you can manage that?

Yes, I'm more than happy to accept you're wrong.

There doesn't have to be a right or wrong. There are opinions which can be different. And you wonder why you get insults.

I knew you couldn't manage to accept to agree to disagree. It isn't allowed in your black and white world.

Now Wyc, that is truly illogical. Do you agree one of the following statements is true and one false?

1. Harte was NOT hurt and feigned injury or exaggerated the "injury". This made it far more likely Holt would be sent off.

2. Harte WAS hurt. Holt deserved at least a yellow card.

It's not AN OPINION. It's a FACT. We may not know the true facts, but it's still a factual occurrence of some kind, yes?




There are many places where it's just opinion. eg Who is the best looking woman? But either Harte cheated or he didn't.

We may HAVE opinions which differ, but the facts are the facts are the facts. One of us is WRONG. Nothing to do with opinion.

[Snowball]

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I can't disagree with much of that, except that Khiz for the first goal was anticipating the full back to cut the ball back and not take the shot. He just anticipated wrong but Hunt put him in that position.

Strongly disagree. He allows the player a free shot at goal, a totally free shot from 6-7 yards out. That's a cardinal crime for a defender

In that situation you make sure he can't get a clear shot of and force him to square it, giving us at least a chance of intercepting the pass, or the shot, if taken being less "free"

What are you strongly disagreeing with? He made a mistake by anticipating wrong, but Hunt put him the psotion of having to make that decision? I've said he made a mistake and you are disagreeing with because you also think he made a mistake?

I'm sorry. I read your post as EXCUSING Kish's error. What I am saying is 100% categorically, totally, in that situation
he has to stop the shot and "risk" the cut-back. You don't ever deliberately allow an onside player to have a free shot
from about six yards. Had he blocked the shot and instead the ball was crossed, there was always a chance a defender
would intervene. Instead he basically said "Shoot! Shoot from six yards. Be my guest!"

[Snowball]

After over 300 posts, I'm not sure anyone knows what's going on anymore.

The world is flat, God has been found and Shane Long is the greatest striker to have ever lived. After Paul Brayson.

The world isn't flat. Get SOMEthing right.

[Snowball]

Strongly disagree.

He allows the player a free shot at goal, a totally free shot from 6-7 yards out.

That's a cardinal crime for a defender

In that situation you make sure he can't get a clear shot of and
force him to square it, giving us at least a chance of intercepting
the pass, or the shot, if taken being less "free"

Totally agree there, Khiz made such a bad decision it's not even funny. At that range, your only thought as a defender has to be stop the shot. If he cuts it back and they score you've done the best you can.[/quote]


Amen

[Royal With Cheese]

Surely it's only a fact if Harte actually comes out and either says "I was hurt" or "I was faking it" using a lie detector?

Until then we're merely speculating on wether he was injured or not and you are basing your opinion on this?

[Royal With Cheese]

Am I just trying to make this too simple?

[Wycombe Royal]

Surely it's only a fact if Harte actually comes out and either says "I was hurt" or "I was faking it" using a lie detector?

Until then we're merely speculating on wether he was injured or not and you are basing your opinion on this?

That is what I have tried to tell him but as usual he can't concede any ground.

[Wycombe Royal]

After over 300 posts, I'm not sure anyone knows what's going on anymore.

The world is flat, God has been found and Shane Long is the greatest striker to have ever lived. After Paul Brayson.

The world isn't flat. Get SOMEthing right.

So you agree that Paul Brayson is better than Shane Long?

[Snowball]

Surely it's only a fact if Harte actually comes out and either says "I was hurt" or "I was faking it" using a lie detector?

Until then we're merely speculating on wether he was injured or not and you are basing your opinion on this?

No. It's a fact. If he lies about it, what happened is still a fact.


Look. Far off there is a scuffle. You think Fred didn't strike Joe. Joe falls down as if struck.

Either Joe WAS struck or he WASN'T struck.

What YOU think. What I think. What Joe SAYS. None of those things affect the fact of whether or not Joe was struck.

[Hoop Blah]

Kishanishvili's weakness is that he tries to be a little too cute at times, presumably because he feels comfortable playing at this level having played a decent amount at 'a higher level'.

This was a good example of him being too cute for his own good and he tried to make the defender pull it back and cover it by dummying to block the shot.

It obviously didn't work and he made himself look a bit stupid and it goes down as a bit of a mistake. I'm not sure he could really have got close enough to block the shot anyway so it may have just been a last gasp effort to fool the guy before shooting.

[Snowball]

Surely it's only a fact if Harte actually comes out and either says "I was hurt" or "I was faking it" using a lie detector?

Until then we're merely speculating on wether he was injured or not and you are basing your opinion on this?

That is what I have tried to tell him but as usual he can't concede any ground.

You say you have a degree?

Forget YOUR perception or MY perception or the ref's, or Holt's.



When the impact occurred, either Harte felt real, considerable pain or he did not. That isn't opinion. It's fact. YES?

[Wycombe Royal]

There doesn't have to be a right or wrong. There are opinions which can be different. And you wonder why you get insults.

I knew you couldn't manage to accept to agree to disagree. It isn't allowed in your black and white world.

Now Wyc, that is truly illogical. Do you agree one of the following statements is true and one false?

1. Harte was NOT hurt and feigned injury or exaggerated the "injury". This made it far more likely Holt would be sent off.

2. Harte WAS hurt. Holt deserved at least a yellow card.

It's not AN OPINION. It's a FACT. We may not know the true facts, but it's still a factual occurrence of some kind, yes?



There are many places where it's just opinion. eg Who is the best looking woman? But either Harte cheated or he didn't.

We may HAVE opinions which differ, but the facts are the facts are the facts. One of us is WRONG. Nothing to do with opinion.

You don't have facts to say either one is true or false, so no I don't agree. Only Ian Harte knows, and if he did fake it he isn't going to tell the world is he?

So it's a fact, but we don't know the true facts? And you say my comments are truly illogical.

[Snowball]

Kishanishvili's weakness is that he tries to be a little too cute at times, presumably because he feels comfortable playing at this level having played a decent amount at 'a higher level'.

This was a good example of him being too cute for his own good and he tried to make the defender pull it back and cover it by dummying to block the shot.

It obviously didn't work and he made himself look a bit stupid and it goes down as a bit of a mistake. I'm not sure he could really have got close enough to block the shot anyway so it may have just been a last gasp effort to fool the guy before shooting.

Agree with this, but he did have a fair bit of time, at least to make the player hurry the shot.

Feds might then have managed to save it.

[Wycombe Royal]

Surely it's only a fact if Harte actually comes out and either says "I was hurt" or "I was faking it" using a lie detector?

Until then we're merely speculating on wether he was injured or not and you are basing your opinion on this?

That is what I have tried to tell him but as usual he can't concede any ground.

You say you have a degree?

Forget YOUR perception or MY perception or the ref's, or Holt's.



When the impact occurred, either Harte felt real, considerable pain or he did not. That isn't opinion. It's fact. YES?

It is a fact that one OR the other occurred but which we think happened is an opinion because we don't know if he felt any pain. And that is the disagreement here. We have a different opinion.

[Snowball]

You don't have facts to say either one is true or false, so no I don't agree. Only Ian Harte knows, and if he did fake it he isn't going to tell the world is he?

So it's a fact, but we don't know the true facts? And you say my comments are truly illogical.

Bloody hell.

Just answer one question. Do you agree that Harte knows or knew at the time that he felt real pain (or didn't)?


Just that, just answer that.

Can you not see that Harte's report-to-self is a real, actual thing and not an opinion?

The "opinion" is our differing interpretations of the signs because we don't know the facts. The facts underlie it all.

[Snowball]

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It is a fact that one OR the other occurred but which we think happened is an opinion because we don't know if he felt any pain. And that is the disagreement here. We have a different opinion.

Do you agree that one of us is WRONG as to the facts, and one is RIGHT as to the facts?

That is, given the underlying FACTS, one opinion is correct, the other is incorrect?

[Wycombe Royal]

You don't have facts to say either one is true or false, so no I don't agree. Only Ian Harte knows, and if he did fake it he isn't going to tell the world is he?

So it's a fact, but we don't know the true facts? And you say my comments are truly illogical.

Bloody hell.

Just answer one question. Do you agree that Harte knows or knew at the time that he felt real pain (or didn't)?


Just that, just answer that.

Can you not see that Harte's report-to-self is a real, actual thing and not an opinion?

The "opinion" is our differing interpretations of the signs because we don't know the facts. The facts underlie it all.

We aren't arguing about whether Harte's KNOWS or KNEW at the time that he felt pain. Only he knows that. We are arguing about whether we THINK he felt any pain, or pain to the level his actions showed. And that is undeniably an opinion.

[Wycombe Royal]

Just go and find a paper bag to argue with, it won't disagree with you or prove you wrong.