QPR points deduction?

[Svlad Cjelli]

...Cardiff will get away with their bending rules...

What bending rules? Have I missed something?

They bent the rules at the start of the season regarding transfers whilst still up sh*t creek financially and I'd happily guess still are!

Really? In what way?

[Hoop Blah]

...Cardiff will get away with their bending rules...

What bending rules? Have I missed something?

They bent the rules at the start of the season regarding transfers whilst still up sh*t creek financially and I'd happily guess still are!

So, again, what rules did they bend? Are you talking about the loan signing of a player that some think is too good for them or buying players whilst under a transfer embargo? Neither of which were bending the rules of course.

[DOYLERSAROYALER]

Back to FA - as open to persuasion as FIFA ...and they serve no effective purpose at all in our football organisation ......they also further damage Englands credentials and further isolation from FIFA by already giving their public support for Mohamed bin Hammam

Bunch of t o s s e r s

Just out of interest, what's your experience of the FA, at any level, to have come these conclusions?

What makes you think they have no effective purpose in our football?

...didnt realise I had to have experience of the FA in order to have an opinion


Ill bow to your obvious wisdom and gladly read your list of positive achievements by the FA in recent times, which you no doubt support .....and please dont start with the development of the new Wembley stadium as that was a complete financial disaster....so crack on matey, cant wait to read the list

[West Stand Man]

...didnt realise I had to have experience of the FA in order to have an opinion


Ill bow to your obvious wisdom and gladly read your list of positive achievements by the FA in recent times, which you no doubt support .....and please dont start with the development of the new Wembley stadium as that was a complete financial disaster....so crack on matey, cant wait to read the list

You ought to have a knowledge of something before expressing an opinion - if not then your opinion is baseless. Some of what you said originally isn't expressed as opinion but as 'fact' - again, it helps to know what you are talking about when you do that.

[Royal Lady]

If only we had someone on here whose dad was at the FA for some time previously.....

[fester_royal]

What bending rules? Have I missed something?[/quote]

They bent the rules at the start of the season regarding transfers whilst still up sh*t creek financially and I'd happily guess still are![/quote]

So, again, what rules did they bend? Are you talking about the loan signing of a player that some think is too good for them or buying players whilst under a transfer embargo? Neither of which were bending the rules of course.[/quote]

How is signing a player when on an embargo not bending the rules? Surely the purpose of said embargo is to prevent clubs signing players they can't afford whilst the cheat the tax man

[Svlad Cjelli]

How is signing a player when on an embargo not bending the rules? Surely the purpose of said embargo is to prevent clubs signing players they can't afford whilst the cheat the tax man

Even though the transfer embargo rules only prevent the permanent signing of players?

And, ftr, they can afford Bellamy, because they're not actually paying for him. They're looking after him for Man City.

The rules that they're allowed to do that are, IMHO, wrong - but there's certainly been no rule-breaking on Cardiff's part.

[DOYLERSAROYALER]

...didnt realise I had to have experience of the FA in order to have an opinion


Ill bow to your obvious wisdom and gladly read your list of positive achievements by the FA in recent times, which you no doubt support .....and please dont start with the development of the new Wembley stadium as that was a complete financial disaster....so crack on matey, cant wait to read the list

You ought to have a knowledge of something before expressing an opinion - if not then your opinion is baseless. Some of what you said originally isn't expressed as opinion but as 'fact' - again, it helps to know what you are talking about when you do that.

Ah yes West Stand Man, but knowledge is not experience...and I was asked, if you read the post, what experience I had ...

.and how do you mean some of what I said previously isnt expressed as opinion, but as fact ? what parts do you refer to...the only facts
were :

FA - a subsidiary of FIFA

Blatter

Mohamed bin Hammam who is challenging Blatter

Bunch of t o s s e r s -

the rest is opinion

[Svlad Cjelli]

FA - a subsidiary of FIFA

That's not a fact.

[DOYLERSAROYALER]

FA - a subsidiary of FIFA

That's not a fact.

FIFA is the chief governing body in world football. Initially confined to European national associations, it quickly expanded worldwide and is now made up of 207 domestic FAs, with its headquarters located in Zurich, Switzerland.

Subsidiary - an assistant subject to the authority or control of another

[Svlad Cjelli]

FA - a subsidiary of FIFA

That's not a fact.

FIFA is the chief governing body in world football. Initially confined to European national associations, it quickly expanded worldwide and is now made up of 207 domestic FAs, with its headquarters located in Zurich, Switzerland.

Subsidiary - an assistant subject to the authority or control of another

Subsidiary - An entity that is controlled by a separate higher entity through ownership. The key words are "control" and "ownwrship"

The FA is not controlled or owned by FIFA. It is a member organisation of FIFA and so has to abide by the rules of FIFA related to member organisations, but it is self-governing aside from those. In no conceivable way is it a "subsidiary". It's an "affiliate" - which is quite different.

[Hoop Blah]

How is signing a player when on an embargo not bending the rules? Surely the purpose of said embargo is to prevent clubs signing players they can't afford whilst the cheat the tax man

I think (can't remember the details) that Cardiff signed a few players on permenent deals whilst under the embargo. They wouldn't have been able to play them though as the rule is that you can't register them.

The club obviously felt they could afford to pay these guys and knew they had money coming in from the new investors which would get them out of the embargo. That's their call and it seems was the right one.

If they'd tried to play those players they'd have been breaking the rules, but as it was they weren't, they were just giving them a contract.

[fester_royal]

How is signing a player when on an embargo not bending the rules? Surely the purpose of said embargo is to prevent clubs signing players they can't afford whilst the cheat the tax man

I think (can't remember the details) that Cardiff signed a few players on permenent deals whilst under the embargo. They wouldn't have been able to play them though as the rule is that you can't register them.

The club obviously felt they could afford to pay these guys and knew they had money coming in from the new investors which would get them out of the embargo. That's their call and it seems was the right one.

If they'd tried to play those players they'd have been breaking the rules, but as it was they weren't, they were just giving them a contract.

but the point of the embargo shouldnt be whether or not you intend to play them. the point is surely paying another set of wages they have stated they cannot afford? they were placedunder an embargo because they stated they could not pay debts. they then spuked out cash on layers they cant afford on a last gamble to go up..

[Hoop Blah]

...didnt realise I had to have experience of the FA in order to have an opinion


Ill bow to your obvious wisdom and gladly read your list of positive achievements by the FA in recent times, which you no doubt support .....and please dont start with the development of the new Wembley stadium as that was a complete financial disaster....so crack on matey, cant wait to read the list

You don't have to have experience, or knowledge, to have an opinion. It will usually give your opinion a little more weight is you do have some degree of one or the other though.

The FA is far from a perfect animal and since the creation of the Premier League they've struggled to maintain any power or influence at the top end of the game but the say they've got no use for our game is totally disregarding a significant part of their work.

They get a bad press, but at the end of the day they run football in this county and football is the biggest sports industry in the country and (IIRC) the 2nd biggest participation sport. They do a lot for very little to support that massive industry. Without them we'd be at the mercy of the Premier League who constantly look after their interests at the detriment of the rest of the sport.

Slag them off all you will on the basis of what Sky and the rest of the media tell you, but don't think thats a fair representation of what they do.

[Hoop Blah]

but the point of the embargo shouldnt be whether or not you intend to play them. the point is surely paying another set of wages they have stated they cannot afford? they were placedunder an embargo because they stated they could not pay debts. they then spuked out cash on layers they cant afford on a last gamble to go up..

I get your point, and could understand that being perceived as bending to be fair, but I guess the rules are more there to stop clubs signing players to play their way out of trouble and gain an unfair advantage that way.

There isn't anything to say clubs can't sign players they can't afford or can't even play.

They certainly didn't bend any rules getting Bellamy which a lot of people on here seemed to suggest at the time.

[Wax Jacket]

DOYLERSAROYALER is looking as stupid as his username suggests he might be

[westongeezer]

Speaking with a friend of mine in the FA he seems to think that this will not make any effect to this seasons position, and that they will do all they can to stall the investigation till (until) way into next season, even then the out come will more than likley (likely) go in favour of QPR as opposed to against them

"...this will not have any effect on this season's position ...." or "...this will not affect this season's position...."

(Not to mention the lack of any punctuation!)

Anyway, that aside, if the FA is so toothless that it cannot force the issue this season then QPR deserve to get away with it. Assuming that your friend is 'in the know' it would be interesting to get a view on why the FA feels that it can allow a club to dictate the pace at which an investigation takes place.

OMG, forgive my erroneous spelling and grammer errors, how terrible of me to make such dramatic errors!,the friend i have works within one the FA's mutli faceted departments,the comment about stalling is in reagard to QPR delaying the case, not the FA, and that QPR'S defense would claim they unaware of any miss dealings..... Now get back and recheck the new Headline pages for any other crimes to written English and grammer for christ sakes! fast!

[Royal Rother]

Gosh it's all got very fraksush today.

[West Stand Man]

Speaking with a friend of mine in the FA he seems to think that this will not make any effect to this seasons position, and that they will do all they can to stall the investigation till (until) way into next season, even then the out come will more than likley (likely) go in favour of QPR as opposed to against them

"...this will not have any effect on this season's position ...." or "...this will not affect this season's position...."

(Not to mention the lack of any punctuation!)

Anyway, that aside, if the FA is so toothless that it cannot force the issue this season then QPR deserve to get away with it. Assuming that your friend is 'in the know' it would be interesting to get a view on why the FA feels that it can allow a club to dictate the pace at which an investigation takes place.

OMG, forgive my erroneous spelling and grammer errors, how terrible of me to make such dramatic errors!,the friend i have works within one the FA's mutli faceted departments,the comment about stalling is in reagard to QPR delaying the case, not the FA, and that QPR'S defense would claim they unaware of any miss dealings..... Now get back and recheck the new Headline pages for any other crimes to written English and grammer for christ sakes! fast!

Case proven m'lud.

Anyway, that aside, my point is precisely that it is up to the FA to prevent QPR from stalling. If you didn't understand that from the original post then I am sorry (sorry that you are too thick to read English that is).

[Z175]

This could actually work against us, if we have meet them in the playoffs...