Where was Guthrie again?!

[winchester_royal]

He thinks he's Paul Gascoigne
Behaves like Paul Gascoigne
Plays like Sean Evers

Unlike you to engage in hyperbolic nonsense Ideal

[Hoop Blah]

in all of the other examples the player continues play, and keeps putting effort in. guthries shoulders slump, and you dont see him again for the rest of the game.
hence why adkins dragged him off imo

I think you're seeing what you want to see there. He's a shoulders down kind of player when he's charging around anyway so I've not seen any real difference in him before or after these incidents.

As to why he was subbed off on Saturday, well I'd imagine that was because he's not played enough football and isn't match fit and he'd worked his socks off for the first hour and was blowing out of his arse. Combined with the pressure Southampton were building and the general lengthening of our play as we got more under the cosh and I'd suggest he was hauled off for tactical and physical reasons, not because he was having a sulk.

[RoyalBlue]

I do. The only notable thing he has done so far is refuse to play. Today he won a throw deep in their half. Gunter got the ball to take a quick throw to Guthrie, but what did he do? Just walked away, back to Gunter, head down and moping. Utterly unexcuseable. He was subbed a minute later as it didnt go unoticed on the bench.

Can't wait for this fcking disgrace of a player to leave the club.

Are you talking about the incident in front of the East Stand in the second half? If so, you are very dishonestly altering what actually happened. Gunter picked up the ball and Guthrie made a quick move towards him calling for a quick throw to his feet. Gunter hesitated, their man picked up Guthrie and the opportunity was lost. At which point Guthrie did look annoyed. However, having turned away 'in disgust' he then made a run back off around his marker and got into another good position to receive the ball. IIRC, Gunter then did throw the ball to him.

Sorry that is total rubbish. I was sitting 10 rows from the from of Y19 and so it all thank you. He was subbed a minute later, that says it all. But even If he did turn away in disgust that just reinforces what a total w@nker the bloke is. Players like that have no place at this club and the team will achieve absolutely nothing with him in it.

Then you are talking about a totally different incident (or still making things up to support the Guthrie hate campaign) because he wasn't subbed that soon after. Also he looked annoyed, the turn 'in disgust' (look at the use of punctuation there) appeared to be more of a tactic to throw his marker - and it worked!

As for showing his annoyance, why not? Other players would have done exactly the same in that position. Had Gunter thought and acted as quickly as Guthrie, we would have been in a good position to have opened up the Saints' defence. The game did not need slowing down at that point, quite the opposite.

[Sanguine]

Players showing frustration on the pitch have no place at this club? Lol. Deary me.

I’ve done it. Team mate cocks up, you gesticulate, roll your eyes, shout or whatever.

I dare say even you’ve done it, TLM, if you play football that is.

[Ian Royal]

in all of the other examples the player continues play, and keeps putting effort in. guthries shoulders slump, and you dont see him again for the rest of the game.
hence why adkins dragged him off imo

I think you're seeing what you want to see there. He's a shoulders down kind of player when he's charging around anyway so I've not seen any real difference in him before or after these incidents.

As to why he was subbed off on Saturday, well I'd imagine that was because he's not played enough football and isn't match fit and he'd worked his socks off for the first hour and was blowing out of his arse. Combined with the pressure Southampton were building and the general lengthening of our play as we got more under the cosh and I'd suggest he was hauled off for tactical and physical reasons, not because he was having a sulk.

And hopefully brendy and co will admit it if he starts in the next match. I won't hold my breath though.

[melonhead]

all it requires is for him to have one game where he plays well, influences the game positively, and doesnt give up/have a hissy fit at some point when things go wrong.

Plays well - yep.
Influences the game positively - yep.
Doesn't have a hissy fit - yep.

You imagined it. You're looking for it. It doesn't exist.

Add 'looking frustrated' to Guthrie's list of crimes.

stoke aside, there is no game fitting those criteria
you sir are a dirty arse licking liar

[melonhead]

in all of the other examples the player continues play, and keeps putting effort in. guthries shoulders slump, and you dont see him again for the rest of the game.
hence why adkins dragged him off imo

I think you're seeing what you want to see there. He's a shoulders down kind of player when he's charging around anyway so I've not seen any real difference in him before or after these incidents.

As to why he was subbed off on Saturday, well I'd imagine that was because he's not played enough football and isn't match fit and he'd worked his socks off for the first hour and was blowing out of his arse. Combined with the pressure Southampton were building and the general lengthening of our play as we got more under the cosh and I'd suggest he was hauled off for tactical and physical reasons, not because he was having a sulk.

And hopefully brendy and co will admit it if he starts in the next match. I won't hold my breath though.

you massive spanner.

ive said it about him in every game he has played well.i dont h8 him at all. i want him to do well.
clearly ive said on this very thread that he was the best player in our team for 30 minutes on saturday.
he played well Vs stoke at home, and chelsea away too
he can do good things and be a positive influence on his team,i wich hed done more of hem
but his attitude holds him back in this.


your tactical and physical reasons for the sub were that hed stopped playing well. which is what ive said.
he was playing well, then we conceded, and his positive influence and fitness/effort evaporated.

[AirRaidSiren]

"melonhead wrote:
in all of the other examples the player continues play, and keeps putting effort in. guthries shoulders slump, and you dont see him again for the rest of the game.
hence why adkins dragged him off imo"

Your'e really trying hard to convince people how bad and awful influence Guthrie is on the pitch. Bless.

It's obvious he was taken off due to him being absolutely knackered! He had a good game and was at least a 7 if not an 8/10 until his substitution.

[melonhead]

already said he was the best player on the park for 30 minutes you div


when he does good things, i like it, and i say so
when he does oxf*rd all, or bad things i dont like it, and i say so

[Extended-Phenotype]

already said he was the best player on the park for 30 minutes you div


when he does good things, i like it, and i say so
when he doesn't do bad things I make them up because I'm a wilber

[Hoop Blah]

your tactical and physical reasons for the sub were that hed stopped playing well. which is what ive said.
he was playing well, then we conceded, and his positive influence and fitness/effort evaporated.

You said he went into a sulk after having a hissy fit and that's why he was dragged off. That's totally different to running out of steam after putting in a decent shift for 60 minutes.

[AirRaidSiren]

already said he was the best player on the park for 30 minutes you div


when he does good things, i like it, and i say so
when he does oxf*rd all, or bad things i dont like it, and i say so

Saints scored in the 34th minute and the entire team's shoulders slumped and lost their confidence. It's not just Guthrie that does bad things or oxf*rd all, but there is nearly an entire thread slating the guy for doing the same as the rest of the squad, and thats lose their bottle.

Let's all pick on Guthrie because he done a naughty thing.

You couldn't make it up.

[Ian Royal]

your tactical and physical reasons for the sub were that hed stopped playing well. which is what ive said.
he was playing well, then we conceded, and his positive influence and fitness/effort evaporated.

You said he went into a sulk after having a hissy fit and that's why he was dragged off. That's totally different to running out of steam after putting in a decent shift for 60 minutes.

I was going to say this, but I couldn't be bothered to bang my head against a brick wall.

[melonhead]

already said he was the best player on the park for 30 minutes you div


when he does good things, i like it, and i say so
when he does oxf*rd all, or bad things i dont like it, and i say so

Saints scored in the 34th minute and the entire team's shoulders slumped and lost their confidence. It's not just Guthrie that does bad things or oxf*rd all, but there is nearly an entire thread slating the guy for doing the same as the rest of the squad, and thats lose their bottle.

Let's all pick on Guthrie because he done a naughty thing.

You couldn't make it up.

not picking on the poor dear, just wish hed cut out the bad, and concentrate on producing more good.

[Extended-Phenotype]

It's a bit difficult for him to cut out the bad when you've made it some of it up.

[melonhead]

bah!

[Sanguine]

And yet he did that against Southampton, you wrongly perceived some change of attitude in him after they scored, and now you're picking on him. Again.

May as well quit the 'I quite like him as a player' stuff, it's beginning to sound like the 'but I have black friends' argument.

[Extended-Phenotype]

My best friend is a creative midfielder.

[winchester_royal]

Did he refuse to come to your birthday party as he wouldn't have been the centre of attention?

[melonhead]

And yet he did that against Southampton, you wrongly perceived some change of attitude in him after they scored, and now you're picking on him. Again.

May as well quit the 'I quite like him as a player' stuff, it's beginning to sound like the 'but I have black friends' argument.

youre a dick.
i do like him as a footballer. on saturday he showed why he should play. he worked hard. he kept the ball, and he made various creative forward passes.everything i want him to do in every game. if he plays well all season, we stay up. if he stays next season, and plays well, we go up.
reading players playing well means reading play well, and that means success. and i want success.
i cant make it any more unequivocal than that.

but i dont think hes done it at all enough when hes played,(though in no way am i implying that he is more to blame than anyone else, or worse than other players) and i dont like the way he berates other players for not doing what he wants and waves his arms petulantly more often than i see other players doing it. thats it. i dont want him strung up for it, i dont want him bombed out ofthe club. i just want him to do that less, and do more of the playing well.


and by the way, im not a racist, and yet i have no black friends.

and a huuuuuuge lol @ and now you're picking on him. Again.