To those who jeered off Long and Howard..

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Re: To those who jeered off Long and Howard..

by Man Friday » 15 Nov 2010 16:26

andrew1957 And everyone in our team always gives 100%

:o McAnuff?

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Re: To those who jeered off Long and Howard..

by Sarah Star » 15 Nov 2010 16:44

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andrew1957 And everyone in our team always gives 100%

:o McAnuff?

Err... yes, he obviously does.

I would question whether the team always have the right tactics and/or have got to the point where they inherently know how to play an organised game together as a team like I felt Norwich did.

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Re: To those who jeered off Long and Howard..

by Ian Royal » 15 Nov 2010 17:18

andrew1957
The Real Sandhurst Royal Howard had a shocker against Norwich and I lost count of the number of passes he mis placed. He was no better against QPR, so he is pretty consistant with his performances.

Tiem for change with Tabb getting my vote to play in midfield, more energy and he goes box to box.


I cannot comment about QPR as I was not there but I saw the other two. Howard was for me MOTM against Cardiff but was awful against Norwich. He does always give 100% however and in my view I would only ever boo a player for not trying. And everyone in our team always gives 100% - although with very mixed results it has to be said.



Wasn't there, but saw the entire game. He wasn't brilliant, but I wouldn't say he was awful. Good against Burnley, Donny & Cardiff IMO.

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Re: To those who jeered off Long and Howard..

by Charles Dapper » 15 Nov 2010 19:18

Don't think you should every boo or jeer players during a game. Cheer the on isn't that what being the 13th man is all about?

I think it's unfair on Long because he has been working really hard, just the formation is wrong for him.

Howard is Howard, not got a shot, not very good at corners, always late for tackles (at least he's starting tackling this season, oh no, penalty at QPR he was lucky not to be off).
Man of the Match against Cardiff? Really so you weren't noticing the fact that Olofinjana was running rings around him in the middle of the field.

Let Tabb start, interested to see what we'll be like with Jem and Jay in the middle.

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Re: To those who jeered off Long and Howard..

by Man Friday » 15 Nov 2010 20:52

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andrew1957 And everyone in our team always gives 100%

:o McAnuff?

Err... yes, he obviously does.

I would question whether the team always have the right tactics and/or have got to the point where they inherently know how to play an organised game together as a team like I felt Norwich did.

Not being funny but do you go to all the matches? I'm thinking in particular Vs WBA away in the League last season when we lost 3-1.


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Re: To those who jeered off Long and Howard..

by Man Friday » 15 Nov 2010 20:53

Agree not to boo individuals though. Certainly not for ineptitude. Possibly for lack of effort or bottling a tackle.

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Re: To those who jeered off Long and Howard..

by Snowball » 15 Nov 2010 22:29

Ian Royal Just for those who think Howard should be dropped. He has played a significant role in 8 of our league goals this season and we've been scoring almost for fun since he came back into the side.

We've conceeded a lot of goals as well and he's certainly contributed, but I think you could place more of the weight of that on a back 5 who often look ropey.



Not looking for a fight. Basically when Howard plays we are better offensively and worse defensively. Simples.

The question arises, what is the overall sum? Win more or lose more?

So, purely as an example; if the only change was Tabb for Howard, we'd stop a few more of "their" attacks,
we'd have SOME invention, but what would the total outcome be, better or worse?

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Re: To those who jeered off Long and Howard..

by Snowball » 15 Nov 2010 22:35

Charles Dapper
I think it's unfair on Long because he has been working really hard, just the formation is wrong for him.

Howard is Howard, not got a shot, not very good at corners, always late for tackles (at least he's starting tackling this season, oh no, penalty at QPR he was lucky not to be off).




Not got a shot?


I went back through every goal Howard has scored in the last 4.33 seasons, for RFC, Sheffield, Barnsley.

At Barnsley he was BRILLIANT, scored for fun, loads of absolutely cracking goals. Go to Soccerbase and look him up. It's very illuminating.

Now the question is, why (comparatively) does he like REAL energy, confidence, dribbling skills, snap shots etc?

Was he injured and it's changed him? Is he on the pop? Off the field troubles? Seriously, he was some player a coupla years back
then he goes to Sheffield United and is off-loaded rather quickly? WHY? I am NOT criticising him. What I'm saying is fix what's
troubling him (if it's fixable) and you have a new (very, very good) new signing.

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Re: To those who jeered off Long and Howard..

by Sarah Star » 15 Nov 2010 22:48

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andrew1957 And everyone in our team always gives 100%

:o McAnuff?

Err... yes, he obviously does.

I would question whether the team always have the right tactics and/or have got to the point where they inherently know how to play an organised game together as a team like I felt Norwich did.

Man Friday Not being funny but do you go to all the matches? I'm thinking in particular Vs WBA away in the League last season when we lost 3-1.
I don't go to all the matches, but I was at this one and it wasn't a pretty sight, but then it was when Rodgers was manager so there were a few games like that. It's unfair to pick on one player who obviously does work hard for the team though - particularly bringing up a match from over a year ago. All players have off-days when things don't go right and I've seen enough of McAnuff's runs, kicks and passing to know he isn't some sort of slacker.


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Re: To those who jeered off Long and Howard..

by MR. CYNICAL » 15 Nov 2010 22:50

Snowball, almost 4000 posts?
You need to get out more!!!

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Re: To those who jeered off Long and Howard..

by Row Z Royal » 15 Nov 2010 22:55

MR. CYNICAL Snowball, almost 4000 posts?
You need to get out more!!!


Too frickin' right he does.

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Re: To those who jeered off Long and Howard..

by Snowball » 15 Nov 2010 23:37

MR. CYNICAL Snowball, almost 4000 posts? You need to get out more!!!


Only 4,000? Well that's just as Snowball...

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Re: To those who jeered off Long and Howard..

by loyalroyal4life » 16 Nov 2010 00:32

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MR. CYNICAL Snowball, almost 4000 posts?
You need to get out more!!!


Too frickin' right he does.



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Re: To those who jeered off Long and Howard..

by Man Friday » 16 Nov 2010 12:17

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Man Friday Not being funny but do you go to all the matches? I'm thinking in particular Vs WBA away in the League last season when we lost 3-1.
I don't go to all the matches, but I was at this one and it wasn't a pretty sight, but then it was when Rodgers was manager so there were a few games like that. It's unfair to pick on one player who obviously does work hard for the team though - particularly bringing up a match from over a year ago. All players have off-days when things don't go right and I've seen enough of McAnuff's runs, kicks and passing to know he isn't some sort of slacker.

Fair enough. One criticism that definitely is fair, however, is that he's more inconsistent than most. People feel that with his talents, if he were more consistent, he'd have spent more years playing in the Premier League than he has done.

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Re: To those who jeered off Long and Howard..

by BR2 » 16 Nov 2010 12:29

What a load of fuss about nothing.
A few people,what 100 max? out of a home crowd of about 14,000.
My how precious some people are in this ultra-soft society of hours.

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Re: To those who jeered off Long and Howard..

by Sarah Star » 16 Nov 2010 12:40

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Man Friday Not being funny but do you go to all the matches? I'm thinking in particular Vs WBA away in the League last season when we lost 3-1.
I don't go to all the matches, but I was at this one and it wasn't a pretty sight, but then it was when Rodgers was manager so there were a few games like that. It's unfair to pick on one player who obviously does work hard for the team though - particularly bringing up a match from over a year ago. All players have off-days when things don't go right and I've seen enough of McAnuff's runs, kicks and passing to know he isn't some sort of slacker.

Fair enough. One criticism that definitely is fair, however, is that he's more inconsistent than most. People feel that with his talents, if he were more consistent, he'd have spent more years playing in the Premier League than he has done.

I wnder if he's suffering frm Kebe being in the team. Everyne wants t flick it/kick it on for Kebe to run n to and get forward and he doesn't get the same chances. I would like to see more made of his mazy runs and think he would benefit frm getting int the box and having more f a go at scoring... but then he does put in a good crss, just, as you say, not consistently - but I dn't know who in our team is that consistent... Federici? :|

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Re: To those who jeered off Long and Howard..

by Spud Gun » 16 Nov 2010 13:09

BR2 My how precious some people are in this ultra-soft society of hours.


Couldn't agree more with you!!

I think fans have a right to cheer players (or the team) when they do well and likewise express their dissatisfaction when they do not. If I have a bad day at the office, then I get a b*llocking from my customers or my boss. How is it any different if fans choose to boo a player or cheer when he is substituted?

Some people on here need to man up a little :wink:

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Re: To those who jeered off Long and Howard..

by brendywendy » 16 Nov 2010 13:30

BR2 What a load of fuss about nothing.
A few people,what 100 max? out of a home crowd of about 14,000.
My how precious some people are in this ultra-soft society of hours.



snot about how many.
just telling the 100 people they are oxf*rd, 's all

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Re: To those who jeered off Long and Howard..

by brendywendy » 16 Nov 2010 13:32

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BR2 My how precious some people are in this ultra-soft society of hours.


Couldn't agree more with you!!

I think fans have a right to cheer players (or the team) when they do well and likewise express their dissatisfaction when they do not. If I have a bad day at the office, then I get a b*llocking from my customers or my boss. How is it any different if fans choose to boo a player or cheer when he is substituted?

Some people on here need to man up a little :wink:



stick your winky up your ass. :shock:

of course you are alloowed to voice your opinion however you like.
i simply question exactly how booing our own players helps

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Re: To those who jeered off Long and Howard..

by Yorkshire Royal » 16 Nov 2010 13:35

IIRC motivational booing was scientifically proven to improve Seol Ki-Hyeon's game. Maybe it would work for Long?

I think it's too late for Howard though...

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