Wholesale changes in defence??

[Snowball]

I agree he's been our best defender over the course of the season, it's not without doubt. He's just made too many mistakes, especially recently, and what's the point of squad competition if you think you are undroppable which many people would like to think he is.

Look back through the goals we've conceded this season and he's been directly or at least heavily responsible in a lot of them. I, like others, have pointed out he sometimes too aggressive when committing to a challenge, allowing the attacker to chop inside/turn him, when it would have been better to stay on feet. Brentford comes to mind, Ipswich was part of the oxf*rd up and was fortunate not to concede a penalty, Derby... Etc, it hasn't really been a problem whilst we've still been winning, but that applies to most things tbh.

Didn't he lose his man against Rotherham for the goal? Both him and Williams were pissing about which allowed the most ridiculous amount of time for the scorer. Yesterday was just a clusterfukk of crap from everyone, but he was the worse CB for me. He practically passed the ball to Fullham for at least 2 of the goals, was heavily out of position for the other, though pretty much the entire team was at that stage.

Very well said. Agreed that at our level he's a very good CB but...

He's been slightly off and getting more and more ragged for a few games now.

[paultheroyal]

Disagree with any criticism of Mcshane. Any mistake he made on Saturday was caused by Hector going walkabout and then losing the ball, seems to be forgotten by most.

Problem on Saturday was caused more by obita. Terrible decision making in first half leading to yet another booking and then second half, backing off backing off when he needed to make a challenge.

His booking ratio is ridiculous. Happy to see Taylor come in.

[CountryRoyal]

Disagree with any criticism of Mcshane. Any mistake he made on Saturday was caused by Hector going walkabout and then losing the ball, seems to be forgotten by most.

Rewatch the goals then come back to me.

[paultheroyal]

Disagree with any criticism of Mcshane. Any mistake he made on Saturday was caused by Hector going walkabout and then losing the ball, seems to be forgotten by most.

Rewatch the goals then come back to me.

5 second clip won't help you m8 - watch it from when the play was in motion, like I was at the game.

[CountryRoyal]

To categorically declare you place absolutely no blame on one of the CBs that shipped 4 goals is quite frankly laughable and that conveniently when he oxf*rd up it was always the others fault.

What about the last goal where McShane heads straight to one of their players from their GK? Are you arguing that was Hector's fault because he probably lost the ball at some stage in a passage of play at some stage preceding and culminating in their goalie lumping it down field, for McShane to then oxf*rd up? Of course you're not.

This isn't some anti McShane campaign or some shit, far from it, but I don't understand how it's so hard for some people to stop being narrow minded and extreme. Me saying McShane was shit isn't insinuating Hector wasn't. Hector was truly dreadful, let his man get in front of him for the goal, countless misplaced paces and surrendered possession cheaply and frequently. He seemed to make more challenges for me as well, none where they mattered but no one really did. They were both shocking on the day of course they were, just for me McShane was worse and his performances have most definitely dipped of late.

But nooo, not Captain McShane, he can't do any wrong. I suppose if he inexplicably strolled 20 yards back to his own goal and smashed the ball into the back of the net you'd probably blame Hector for not giving him an option for the pass.

[paultheroyal]

Think you need to go to bed.

Night x

[CountryRoyal]

Think you need to go to bed.

Night x

What a response.

Not very good at this are you?

[bcubed]

Didn't think Obita did much wrong against Fulham. Thought Hector could be blamed for 2 of the goals. Al Habsi had little chance for any of them. Ferdinand to replace Hector when fit. Otherwise should stick with same four but bring in Tishbola who will give them more protection

Agree with this
Don't really understand why Tish was not played v Fulham. He has been outstanding at reading the game and providing solidity in the middle of the park. And ideal for away games you would think

Whilst I said I thought Tish should start for Fullham after the Rotherham game, hindsight is a wonderful thing. We were completely dominant for parts of that game and had we gone to win it no one would have questioned it. No one could have foreseen the defence capitulating like it did, and iirc Fullham scored another shortly after Tish came on, they would have gotten a 5th had it not been for Gunter off the line too.

By the time Tish came on it was all too late. The tide had turned and momentum was all Fulhams. Still think he should have started

[bcubed]

Why would you want to displace Norwood, Williams, Quinn or Tshibola for a him to accommodate a young raw CB?

Not the question I was answering.

Hector hasn't looked great, McShane has been below par. My point was in answer to someone
suggesting Cooper replaced Hector.

IF that happened, I'd love to see Hector at DM. I think, if Cooper is up to the test,
Hector at DM would mean we'd have the best defensive record in the league.

I still believe Hector, long-term, will make a better DM than CB

By definition, if you want to see Hector play as a defensive midfielder, you can only play a maximum of two of Norwood, Williams, Quinn and Tshibola. Not to mention Fernandez. So you're saying you'd prefer to play a flexible centreback in midfield than two or three excellent midfielders. And quite probably a forced change in the way we play.

All to accommodate curiousity about how it would work and crowbar in our fourth best centreback to the defence.

Laat season, it might have been a valid idea whilst we were struggling and low on successful midfield options. This season it's madness. And happily there's effectively zero chance of it happening.

Oh and I don't know what your definition of below par is, but mine isn't a couple of dodgy games amongst 10 great ones.

I agree with your comments about Obita but I thought I remembered you being a proponent of Obita in midfield?

[CountryRoyal]

By the time Tish came on it was all too late. The tide had turned and momentum was all Fulhams. Still think he should have started

I agree, but there were people who thought the selection was great, then after we lost said Tish should have started. Football fans eh

[Ian Royal]

I agree with your comments about Obita but I thought I remembered you being a proponent of Obita in midfield?

I don't think so.

Maybe supportive of him playing there out of position when we had few options available.

I could be wrong, it's about 2 season's ago and I think we can say we know a lot more about his play and how he has / will develop now.

[genome]

To categorically declare you place absolutely no blame on one of the CBs that shipped 4 goals is quite frankly laughable and that conveniently when he oxf*rd up it was always the others fault.

What about the last goal where McShane heads straight to one of their players from their GK? Are you arguing that was Hector's fault because he probably lost the ball at some stage in a passage of play at some stage preceding and culminating in their goalie lumping it down field, for McShane to then oxf*rd up? Of course you're not.

This isn't some anti McShane campaign or some shit, far from it, but I don't understand how it's so hard for some people to stop being narrow minded and extreme. Me saying McShane was shit isn't insinuating Hector wasn't. Hector was truly dreadful, let his man get in front of him for the goal, countless misplaced paces and surrendered possession cheaply and frequently. He seemed to make more challenges for me as well, none where they mattered but no one really did. They were both shocking on the day of course they were, just for me McShane was worse and his performances have most definitely dipped of late.

But nooo, not Captain McShane, he can't do any wrong. I suppose if he inexplicably strolled 20 yards back to his own goal and smashed the ball into the back of the net you'd probably blame Hector for not giving him an option for the pass.

Calm down mate it's only football

[CountryRoyal]

Calm down mate it's only football

Blasphemy!