Reading hit with winding-up petition by former chief executive

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Re: Reading hit with winding-up petition by former chief executive

by Clyde1998 » 19 Dec 2025 16:47

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My one criticism of NH was that when the time came to push on in 2007 he couldn't really think big enough - but that's also something to be held against SJM, especially as there wasn't the money to do what they needed due to the latter's publishing and property failures.


Would actually say that that is nothing to do with NH - he wouldn’t scout players or define the budget - and more down to failings of the manager in deciding to be too loyal and having no real plan B after Scott Brown decided he he’d shockingly prefer the safe predictability of European football and winning things with Celtic rather than the likely unrewarding challenge of replacing Steve Sidwell.


Absolutely agree on that point - I was thinking more about overall ambitions and the club infrastructure. The stadium expansion would have allowed us to push on and put us on a different level (as well as shown the likes of Scott Brown what we were all about), but NH & SJM wimped out of committing to it.

Ditto renewing the contract of Catalyst, who'd been so integral to the promotion and first PL year. Yes, Catalyst had bumped up their price massively, but NH's attitude was that we'd seen the "magician's trick" and didn't need them any more. We did.

They backed out of the stadium expansion because we got relegated.

According to the BBC article at the time planning permission was approved, work was planned to start in the summer of 2008:
Reading to extend ground capacity (BBC News) Reading have been granted permission to extend the capacity of the Madejski Stadium from 24,045 to 38,000.

The Royals submitted the plans earlier this year and they have now been approved by Reading Borough Council for work which will start in summer 2008.

"We're extremely pleased the council has approved our plan," chief executive Nigel Howe told the club's website.

"Although we hoped work would start this summer a number of factors have to be addressed before work can begin."

Reading finished eighth in their first season in the Premiership, missing out on a Uefa Cup place by just one point.

Howe said the expansion would help the club in its aim "to become an established force in the top flight," and they had delayed it until 2008 to avoid inconveniencing fans.

"If we started now, the necessary enabling works would not be completed in time for the start of the season," he said.

"That would entail disruption to existing seats and that is something we have always been very keen to avoid.

"We have said all along that no final decisions had been made on the finer detail of the design and we will now take our time to make sure that the right decisions are made.

"We want to make sure the project is carried out properly and not rushed."

I think Sidwell's gone on record to say we offered more money than Chelsea, but he wanted the opportunity to work under Mourinho and thought he'd improve by being around better players.

Scott Brown was probably fairly typical of the time: why go to Reading to be in a relegation battle? Seem to recall my dad talking to a scout during the 2007-08 season when I played at a youth tournament; he was saying we had a number of players lined up who wouldn't've considered joining us until we'd stayed in the Premier League for two seasons.

We also struggled to adapt to changing our pool of players available to us - we made a number of signings from Europe (particularly France) in that period, but those players are going to have differences in how they integrate when compared to a player from the English lower leagues.

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Re: Reading hit with winding-up petition by former chief executive

by Armadillo Roadkill » 19 Dec 2025 17:03

And in another update from Planet Weirdo, he's apparently surprised and upset that the fans are angry with him. Over, you know, his attempt to finish off the club once and for all. Unbelievable.

I for one hope his cøck falls off and his spends the rest of his life living in a tent on the A33.

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Re: Reading hit with winding-up petition by former chief executive

by From Despair To Where? » 19 Dec 2025 17:56

I know Madejski trusted him but this doesn't change my overall opinion that he's always been a bit of a chancer.

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Re: Reading hit with winding-up petition by former chief executive

by windermereROYAL » 19 Dec 2025 18:56

Let`s be real, this is some guy owed a few quid, not a large organisation that is owed several millions. a storm in a teacup. sod all to be concerned about.

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Re: Reading hit with winding-up petition by former chief executive

by Dirk Gently » 19 Dec 2025 19:39

Clyde1998 They backed out of the stadium expansion because we got relegated.

According to the BBC article at the time planning permission was approved, work was planned to start in the summer of 2008:
Reading to extend ground capacity (BBC News) Reading have been granted permission to extend the capacity of the Madejski Stadium from 24,045 to 38,000.

The Royals submitted the plans earlier this year and they have now been approved by Reading Borough Council for work which will start in summer 2008.

"We're extremely pleased the council has approved our plan," chief executive Nigel Howe told the club's website.

"Although we hoped work would start this summer a number of factors have to be addressed before work can begin."

Reading finished eighth in their first season in the Premiership, missing out on a Uefa Cup place by just one point.

Howe said the expansion would help the club in its aim "to become an established force in the top flight," and they had delayed it until 2008 to avoid inconveniencing fans.

"If we started now, the necessary enabling works would not be completed in time for the start of the season," he said.

"That would entail disruption to existing seats and that is something we have always been very keen to avoid.

"We have said all along that no final decisions had been made on the finer detail of the design and we will now take our time to make sure that the right decisions are made.

"We want to make sure the project is carried out properly and not rushed."


I'm pretty certain they'd postponed the expansion *before* the end of the season and *before" we were relegated. The price of steel globally had gone up (ISTR because of the amount of building work in China) and they'd put the expansion of hold early - a lot of the stadium expansion project was tied up with increasing commercial revenue and was down to Catalyst, so without Catalyst there in that season to evangelise the expansion it was easy for SJM & NH to take the easy way out and put things on hold.


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Re: Reading hit with winding-up petition by former chief executive

by Clyde1998 » 19 Dec 2025 21:05

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Clyde1998 They backed out of the stadium expansion because we got relegated.

According to the BBC article at the time planning permission was approved, work was planned to start in the summer of 2008:
Reading to extend ground capacity (BBC News) Reading have been granted permission to extend the capacity of the Madejski Stadium from 24,045 to 38,000.

The Royals submitted the plans earlier this year and they have now been approved by Reading Borough Council for work which will start in summer 2008.

"We're extremely pleased the council has approved our plan," chief executive Nigel Howe told the club's website.

"Although we hoped work would start this summer a number of factors have to be addressed before work can begin."

Reading finished eighth in their first season in the Premiership, missing out on a Uefa Cup place by just one point.

Howe said the expansion would help the club in its aim "to become an established force in the top flight," and they had delayed it until 2008 to avoid inconveniencing fans.

"If we started now, the necessary enabling works would not be completed in time for the start of the season," he said.

"That would entail disruption to existing seats and that is something we have always been very keen to avoid.

"We have said all along that no final decisions had been made on the finer detail of the design and we will now take our time to make sure that the right decisions are made.

"We want to make sure the project is carried out properly and not rushed."


I'm pretty certain they'd postponed the expansion *before* the end of the season and *before" we were relegated. The price of steel globally had gone up (ISTR because of the amount of building work in China) and they'd put the expansion of hold early - a lot of the stadium expansion project was tied up with increasing commercial revenue and was down to Catalyst, so without Catalyst there in that season to evangelise the expansion it was easy for SJM & NH to take the easy way out and put things on hold.

The price of steel would've been a good reason to delay (or abandon) any stadium development plans.

It was probably good we didn't proceed anyway, with the financial crisis of that period (not sure on the relevant timings though) - which may have led to us having some liquidity challenges and probably would've changed the calculations for how much revenue would've grown as a result of an expansion (even if we were in the Premier League).

I had a look through on the old stadium expansion thread on here, and it seems the club never put an official statement out confirming the plans were cancelled - they just stopped talking about it (not like the club at all :lol: ). Apparently the Evening Post put an article out saying it had been delayed until Summer 2009 at the earliest, with STAR stating it was delayed due to the cost increases (presumably largely because of steel prices).

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Re: Reading hit with winding-up petition by former chief executive

by blueroyals » 19 Dec 2025 22:49

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My one criticism of NH was that when the time came to push on in 2007 he couldn't really think big enough - but that's also something to be held against SJM, especially as there wasn't the money to do what they needed due to the latter's publishing and property failures.


Would actually say that that is nothing to do with NH - he wouldn’t scout players or define the budget - and more down to failings of the manager in deciding to be too loyal and having no real plan B after Scott Brown decided he he’d shockingly prefer the safe predictability of European football and winning things with Celtic rather than the likely unrewarding challenge of replacing Steve Sidwell.


Absolutely agree on that point - I was thinking more about overall ambitions and the club infrastructure. The stadium expansion would have allowed us to push on and put us on a different level (as well as shown the likes of Scott Brown what we were all about), but NH & SJM wimped out of committing to it.

Ditto renewing the contract of Catalyst, who'd been so integral to the promotion and first PL year. Yes, Catalyst had bumped up their price massively, but NH's attitude was that we'd seen the "magician's trick" and didn't need them any more. We did.


What is Catalyst?

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Re: Reading hit with winding-up petition by former chief executive

by Millsy » 20 Dec 2025 00:04

Think whom we could buy with 100K.

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Re: Reading hit with winding-up petition by former chief executive

by Sutekh » 20 Dec 2025 07:21

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Would actually say that that is nothing to do with NH - he wouldn’t scout players or define the budget - and more down to failings of the manager in deciding to be too loyal and having no real plan B after Scott Brown decided he he’d shockingly prefer the safe predictability of European football and winning things with Celtic rather than the likely unrewarding challenge of replacing Steve Sidwell.


Absolutely agree on that point - I was thinking more about overall ambitions and the club infrastructure. The stadium expansion would have allowed us to push on and put us on a different level (as well as shown the likes of Scott Brown what we were all about), but NH & SJM wimped out of committing to it.

Ditto renewing the contract of Catalyst, who'd been so integral to the promotion and first PL year. Yes, Catalyst had bumped up their price massively, but NH's attitude was that we'd seen the "magician's trick" and didn't need them any more. We did.


What is Catalyst?


Catalyst were a firm hired by the club back in 2005 to try and put a new slant into training and give players a different way of thinking so as to keep things spontaneous and fresh behind the scenes. The club presumably had seen through the Martin Allen effect the positive results such approaches had received earlier so thought they’d give it another go. Believe Catalyst were anxious to show their worth in the field so gave the club very good rates for the first season.

It worked well, such positive things and ideas do, but as usual the club, probably for reasons of cost, decided to drop them after 2 seasons hiding behind the ‘we’ve done it for 2 years so it’s all a bit stale now” excuse. This despite it producing the best 2 seasons in the history of the club by quite some way, new players coming through and being signed and the company itself presumably being alive to the dangers of repetition and staleness.

Quite possibly the biggest mistake made to that point by the club as we saw what happened in the second season when the club desperately needed to survive to really prove itself to the world, though to be fair I think SC had thought it’s time was run as much as being down to the usual JM cheapness once Catalyst justifiably put their prices up to more like the market value. With hindsight they should have been kept on until they didn’t get the results rather than binning them off after the brilliant 2 seasons they had helped produce. Reading might well have become a standard PL force that ultimately could have started surviving without Catalyst because the better players like Scott Brown, would have been happy to come to the club.

Americans like these sort of mind games, perhaps someone with experience in the field should approach Rob now with a proposal. :?

Seem to be a lot of “if only” moments in Reading’s history - usually always caused by having potless risk averse owners, even if a risk is taken it’s not kept up even if it’s working :lol:

It’s easy to say it but football is usually a case of speculate to accumulate.


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Re: Reading hit with winding-up petition by former chief executive

by Snowflake Royal » 20 Dec 2025 10:06

windermereROYAL Let`s be real, this is some guy owed a few quid, not a large organisation that is owed several millions. a storm in a teacup. sod all to be concerned about.

I don’t think anyone thinks it puts the club at any risk.

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Re: Reading hit with winding-up petition by former chief executive

by Sutekh » 20 Dec 2025 12:06

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windermereROYAL Let`s be real, this is some guy owed a few quid, not a large organisation that is owed several millions. a storm in a teacup. sod all to be concerned about.

I don’t think anyone thinks it puts the club at any risk.


This, just more ****** annoyance to have to wade through thanks to Dai. Just what’s needed to distract in a transfer window :roll:

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Re: Reading hit with winding-up petition by former chief executive

by traff » 20 Dec 2025 13:17

windermereROYAL Let`s be real, this is some guy owed a few quid, not a large organisation that is owed several millions. a storm in a teacup. sod all to be concerned about.


Or a storm in a shot glass

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