Dave 'Whinger' Kitson

[Nick Shorey my Lord!]

When is he going to stop moaning about tackles against him? First Riggott, then Upson, now Denilson.

Maybe he should concentrate on improving his own game, which at the moment is pretty poor. Yes they were all bad challenges but get on with it Dave, thats football.

Sorry if this has been mentioned already

This post is almost as stupid as #17's fantastic thought that we should drop Sidders.

[royal goof]

The whinging on this forum is getting a little thin now...

[Tilehurst End]

Oh joy, another "the transfer window's closed so can't attack any potential signings, better have a go at one of the players we've already got" thread.

What about addressing the real problem with the team which is that we've got two slow, over-rated, over-aged cripples playng down the right side!

[Nobby]

Kitson is famously downbeat about most things in the world but I think he has a point here.

Wenger is not alone in pressurising refs to get decisions. Andy Johnson is back to his diving best since David Moyes sent off his video to Keith Hackett to winge about why the cheating git wasn't getting enough spot kicks.

Reading are playing fair among a lot of dirty opponents.

[aaronrfc]

I think with Blakey, Oyster, Hunty, Seol, The Bobster and now Bozanic, we've got quite enough whingers. Why is Coppell trying to convert him?

somebody had to say it!!!
just to clear things up, riggots tackle didnt keep him out for half the season. that combined with appendecitus(spelling?), i think a hamstring injury, and possibly one other that im forgetting about, did!!!
but he has the right to moan, they were all awful challenges. but did he ever come out and apologise for his one on upson? because that was as bad!!!!
also not only did he score more goals than doyle in the champ, he did it playing less games. kits will succeed at this level if he has time and stays fit. he is our most intelligent striker. as people have metioned, wengers moaning may well have influenced the referee so if dave can stop these tackles coming in on him, he should!

[londinium]

I think with Blakey, Oyster, Hunty, Seol, The Bobster and now Bozanic, we've got quite enough whingers. Why is Coppell trying to convert him?

somebody had to say it!!!
just to clear things up, riggots tackle didnt keep him out for half the season. that combined with appendecitus(spelling?), i think a hamstring injury, and possibly one other that im forgetting about, did!!!
but he has the right to moan, they were all awful challenges. but did he ever come out and apologise for his one on upson? because that was as bad!!!!
also not only did he score more goals than doyle in the champ, he did it playing less games. kits will succeed at this level if he has time and stays fit. he is our most intelligent striker. as people have metioned, wengers moaning may well have influenced the referee so if dave can stop these tackles coming in on him, he should!

Agree totally.

[rotherwick_royal]

I think with Blakey, Oyster, Hunty, Seol, The Bobster and now Bozanic, we've got quite enough whingers. Why is Coppell trying to convert him?

COPPELL OUT!!!!

Kitson on the wing

About as daft as the England manager putting Andy Johnson on the wing!

err, hold on

[Rev Algenon Stickleback H]

Focher should have remembered the first rule of Hobnob
the Don't criticise Kitson rule

Not at all, no-one is beyond criticism - not even SC who I felt got it wrong tactically early on against Manchester United in the cup replay. All I am saying is that Kitson has not long been back, started a mere 3 games since his bad injury and has already scored a couple. Doyle in his appearances since coming back from injury has looked far from sharp yet I don't see an anti-Doyle thread

Agree Doyle is not looking that good either at the moment but he has proved himself in the Premier, I don't think KItson has yet. I hope he will but I still think he needs to think and act a lot sharper

Lol...'Doyle has proved himself in the premier'... absolute rubbish... no player can say they have proved themself in the premiership after less than 1 season....many many players have a great season in the premiership and end up in the lower leagues.

As for Kit's not proving himself in the premiership...that is entirely ridiculous. Is 3 starts enough to prove yourself?... he hasnt had the chance to prove himself yet...

By the way...He WILL....nothing is gauranteed...but if you can't see that he has all the makings for a premiership player then you know very little about football

In comparison with Kitson, Doyle has proved himself as a Premiership quality player
Kitson has shown himself to be a very good Championship player. Through no fault of his own he has yet to do it in the Prem.
From what I have seen he has some way to go.
Leroy looked out of his depth early on but with application and no doubt some wise words from Sir Steve he is now looking the part. Let's hope Kits can do the same.

And yuou are judging Kitson on how many minutes Premiership football?...you plank

What I said is I haven't seen him do it yet. I have my doubts
You are convinced he will make it. Good luck to you sir and your limited vocabulary and even more limited debating skills

what is it particular you are worried about?

Given that all of our other players seem to have found that the level of their ability last season was good enough for this season, what is it that makes you think he'll fail where the others haven't?

OK, he wasn't fantastic against Arsenal, or away to Man Utd, but how much of that was down to him being isolated up front with no support from midfield?

[handbags_harris]

I think with Blakey, Oyster, Hunty, Seol, The Bobster and now Bozanic, we've got quite enough whingers. Why is Coppell trying to convert him?

...but did he ever come out and apologise for his one on upson? because that was as bad!!!!

I think you'll find, sunshine, that Kitsons challenge on upson, whilst not exactly up there with the greatest challenges ever made, was absolutely nowhere near as bad as any one of the Riggott, Upson or Denilson challenges! Kitson's was not a leg breaker challenge, the other 3 were, and that is just one difference. The other fundamental difference was that Kitson went for the ball, while Upson and Riggott made challenges designed to hurt the man. So your assumption that Kitsons challenge was as bad is wrong imo. There is a big difference between "honest challenge gone wrong" and "challenge designed to hurt".

[Focher]

I think with Blakey, Oyster, Hunty, Seol, The Bobster and now Bozanic, we've got quite enough whingers. Why is Coppell trying to convert him?

...but did he ever come out and apologise for his one on upson? because that was as bad!!!!

I think you'll find, sunshine, that Kitsons challenge on upson, whilst not exactly up there with the greatest challenges ever made, was absolutely nowhere near as bad as any one of the Riggott, Upson or Denilson challenges! Kitson's was not a leg breaker challenge, the other 3 were, and that is just one difference. The other fundamental difference was that Kitson went for the ball, while Upson and Riggott made challenges designed to hurt the man. So your assumption that Kitsons challenge was as bad is wrong imo. There is a big difference between "honest challenge gone wrong" and "challenge designed to hurt".

Thats a big statement Harris!

The libel brigade will be out in a flash!

[aaronrfc]

I think with Blakey, Oyster, Hunty, Seol, The Bobster and now Bozanic, we've got quite enough whingers. Why is Coppell trying to convert him?

...but did he ever come out and apologise for his one on upson? because that was as bad!!!!

I think you'll find, sunshine, that Kitsons challenge on upson, whilst not exactly up there with the greatest challenges ever made, was absolutely nowhere near as bad as any one of the Riggott, Upson or Denilson challenges! Kitson's was not a leg breaker challenge, the other 3 were, and that is just one difference. The other fundamental difference was that Kitson went for the ball, while Upson and Riggott made challenges designed to hurt the man. So your assumption that Kitsons challenge was as bad is wrong imo. There is a big difference between "honest challenge gone wrong" and "challenge designed to hurt".

i would have to disagree, from what i recall, Kitsons challenge was just as dangerous. you are correct that he was making an attempt for the ball, it was a typical strikers challenge, but it was still dangerous. and i dont think you can tell whether the other challenges were designed to hurt the man, are you a mind reader? bad challenges yes, but i wouldnt state them as "challenge designed to hurt". but the point i was making was that if kitson wants to have a moan, thats fine, but if he expects an apology of those players, i would have said he should have held his hands up and aopologised for that challenge on upson, as well

[Royalee]

Agree with Kitson again. Don't know why our own fans start a negative thread about him when he makes relevant points has been our best player over the period he's been at the club.

[Royalee]

I think with Blakey, Oyster, Hunty, Seol, The Bobster and now Bozanic, we've got quite enough whingers. Why is Coppell trying to convert him?

...but did he ever come out and apologise for his one on upson? because that was as bad!!!!

I think you'll find, sunshine, that Kitsons challenge on upson, whilst not exactly up there with the greatest challenges ever made, was absolutely nowhere near as bad as any one of the Riggott, Upson or Denilson challenges! Kitson's was not a leg breaker challenge, the other 3 were, and that is just one difference. The other fundamental difference was that Kitson went for the ball, while Upson and Riggott made challenges designed to hurt the man. So your assumption that Kitsons challenge was as bad is wrong imo. There is a big difference between "honest challenge gone wrong" and "challenge designed to hurt".

i would have to disagree, from what i recall, Kitsons challenge was just as dangerous. you are correct that he was making an attempt for the ball, it was a typical strikers challenge, but it was still dangerous. and i dont think you can tell whether the other challenges were designed to hurt the man, are you a mind reader? bad challenges yes, but i wouldnt state them as "challenge designed to hurt". but the point i was making was that if kitson wants to have a moan, thats fine, but if he expects an apology of those players, i would have said he should have held his hands up and aopologised for that challenge on upson, as well

You sir, are a twat and have evidently never played the game.