QPR points deduction?

[Royal Rother]

Hmm, (you're more likely to be right for sure) but in Luton's case I thought 10 points was for Admin and 20 points for irregular payments?

[The Real Sandhurst Royal]

Svlad Cjelli wrote: Thinking more about it, I'd say points deduction NEXT season is the most likely outcome if they're found guilty, plus a hefty fine

Why next season that will automatically relegate QPR from the premiership.

The FA should deduct the points for this season campaign. The FA have set the case for the last week of the season / last hour to be in a position to deduct a number of points that won't impact QPR being promoted (ie: if they are 10 points clear and can maintain second place win or lose their last game they will deduct 10 as there goal difference is far superior to the others). Cop out appraoch by the FA with no appeals!!

[Ferris]

For anyone who is confident of a points deduction, you can get 16/1 on Norwich winning the league.

[rhroyal]

If QPR do stay down because of this, I hope we know before the end of the season. Winning promotion for whoever benefits won't feel the same coming out of a meeting between the FA and FL. It's far better to have something to celebrate on the pitch when promotion's secured.

[Royal Rother]

A hefty points deduction for next season would be a nonsense imho, because what would the club do in the (almost) certain knowledge from the very start that they'd be relegated? Just get rid of all the top earners, and play reserves and kids, but pocket the £60m and subsequent parachute payments is the likely answer...

The PL wouldn't like that very much as it would make a partial mockery of their league.

[Svlad Cjelli]

Surely Swindon is the most applicable?

And that's cancelled promotion.

I think their offence was quite different.

[Svlad Cjelli]

Hmm, (you're more likely to be right for sure) but in Luton's case I thought 10 points was for Admin and 20 points for irregular payments?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/luton_town/7500435.stm

Luton to face 30-point deduction

Luton will start next season on an unprecedented minus 30 points after a ruling by the Football League.

The Hatters had already been deducted 10 points by the Football Association after being found guilty of misconduct for paying agents via a third party.

And the company which will take over the club has now been told it must accept a further 20-point deduction in order to be allowed in the League.

The penalty came after Luton failed to satisfy the League's insolvency rules.

[ZacNaloen]

Surely Swindon is the most applicable?

And that's cancelled promotion.

I think their offence was quite different.

So it wasn't Fraudulent paperwork?

Which is essentially what the QPR attempt at a cover up was?

May have been financial paperwork for Swindon, but it's the same offense.

[Royal Rother]

Cheers SC. 10 points for Admin was previous season I see.... blimey, they really did get hammered.

[RoyalBlue]

Living in the midst of fake hoop land, schardenfreude would be exceptionally hard to avoid were QPR to be deducted points and we then beat them in the playoffs to reach the PL in their place!

Actually, schardenfreude is already here as I realise that they won't be able to celebrate any promotion/championship that they might 'win' prior to 6th May!

[leicsRoyal]

Even worse case scenario is that they get deducted the points, relegating them into the play offs and then win the play offs with a day out at Wembley thrown in!
Could you imagine? Take it one step further and the guy who all the fuss has been about scores the winner.

What you are actually doing then is putting a side that have been far superior to others this season back in with 3 other clubs whose chances would then be narrowed.

Unless of course we go up automatically as a result!

[Mr Angry]

For anyone who is confident of a points deduction, you can get 16/1 on Norwich winning the league.

Or, if you are confident that we can overtake Norwich AND QPR suffer a points deduction, then its 150/1 for Reading to win the Championship @ Paddy Power.

[leicsRoyal]

Even worse case scenario is that they get deducted the points, relegating them into the play offs and then win the play offs with a day out at Wembley thrown in!
Could you imagine? Take it one step further and the guy who all the fuss has been about scores the winner.

What you are actually doing then is putting a side that have been far superior to others this season back in with 3 other clubs whose chances would then be narrowed.

Unless of course we go up automatically as a result!

Answering my own post I know.

The above is why I think the date of the hearing is so significant. If they do deduct points they will know how many need to be deducted to ensure that QPR remain a championship team next year or maybe enough to ensure they still go up automatically.

[RoyalBlue]

Even worse case scenario is that they get deducted the points, relegating them into the play offs and then win the play offs with a day out at Wembley thrown in!
Could you imagine? Take it one step further and the guy who all the fuss has been about scores the winner.

What you are actually doing then is putting a side that have been far superior to others this season back in with 3 other clubs whose chances would then be narrowed.

Unless of course we go up automatically as a result!

If they don't make automatic promotion I think even Warnock may struggle to lift them. Yes, I know the natural reaction would be to be even more fired up due to the injustice suffered but sometimes the pysche doesn't work in such a simplistic manner. They will be left stunned at having the championship and/or automatic promotion snatched away from them at the last moment and may not have recovered by the time the first play-off games come around. Hit them with the first goal and they will be clinging onto the ropes with limited chance of dragging themselves back into the contest.

Alternatively rage may take over and they won't be able to compete in a measured and controlled way.

[RoyalBlue]

Even worse case scenario is that they get deducted the points, relegating them into the play offs and then win the play offs with a day out at Wembley thrown in!
Could you imagine? Take it one step further and the guy who all the fuss has been about scores the winner.

What you are actually doing then is putting a side that have been far superior to others this season back in with 3 other clubs whose chances would then be narrowed.

Unless of course we go up automatically as a result!

Answering my own post I know.

The above is why I think the date of the hearing is so significant. If they do deduct points they will know how many need to be deducted to ensure that QPR remain a championship team next year or maybe enough to ensure they still go up automatically.

If so, once again football clearly portrays that it doesn't subscribe to the basic fundamentals of natural justice.

[leicsRoyal]

I just think that relegating QPR into the play offs would be the one scenario that the FL will want to avoid at all costs.

[ZacNaloen]

Looking at the points gap opening up between the teams looking at relegation and the rest of the league the best place for them to end up would be 21st as that is the least likely spot to affect everyone else.

Not that I'm saying they should rig the points deduction that way, but if they get the numbers of deducted points precedence suggests this season, plus some sort of punishment for last season as well..

[leicsRoyal]

Looking at the points gap opening up between the teams looking at relegation and the rest of the league the best place for them to end up would be 21st as that is the least likely spot to affect everyone else.

Not that I'm saying they should rig the points deduction that way, but if they get the numbers of deducted points precedence suggests this season, plus some sort of punishment for last season as well..

If there is a points deduction of any description I fully expect it to be either enough for them to still go up automatically or enough to finish mid table thus not affecting anyone else too much on the last day of the season.

[RoyalBlue]

Looking at the points gap opening up between the teams looking at relegation and the rest of the league the best place for them to end up would be 21st as that is the least likely spot to affect everyone else.

Not that I'm saying they should rig the points deduction that way, but if they get the numbers of deducted points precedence suggests this season, plus some sort of punishment for last season as well..

So minus ten points for last season's offence (by necessity that will have to be carried over into this season's table) and another ten points off for this season's offence - no reason to delay the imposition of that one! -20 that will do nicely!

[Barry the bird boggler]

Now if all these organisations had the bottle to set in stone what type of penalties will be applied for what type of offence everyone would be clear.

But no they don't have the bottle, it's always inconsistent seemingly depending on who the offenders are and the situation.

Precedence clearly is, with a player who is not correctly registered to play, that the offending club shall be ejected/barred from the cup competitions for which the offence occured and/or be deducted the league points gained from the league games where the player played, while said player was incorrectly registered.

Now these offences have occured in competitions run by the FL and FA, therefore any subsequent precedence that comes from similar incidents by clubs playing in the Premiership can be ignored (i.e. Spurs and West Ham (both of which should have been relegated but that's another can of fish)).

At the end of the day it'll all come down to the small print in the agreement that binds together the basic competition that is the football league and by which clubs need to adhere.