The Gr8 Keeper Deb8

[maffff]

McDermott never said he was left out because of the injury though did he?

Yep - on BBCRB he said Federici had an injury and the physio had advised he didn't play until it was resolved so as to avoid further/later damage. The intimation (that i took - it wasn't explicitly stated as such) was that he could have played but might have made things worse so they were giving it a chance to heal properly.

Personally, I'd rather ignore conspiracy theories and go with the simplest most honest explanation.

Federici was injured in the summer, so he didn't have much pre-season.
Federici had some strapping in the first few games and did look like something might be troubling him with one or two of his mistakes.
Federici dropped at least one howler in every competitive game he's played this season.
Federici was withdrawn from the Aussie squad injured.
McDermott said the physio had recommended Feds didn't play.

For me that means McDermott and the physio have decided that whilst Fed could play, the injury is affecting his game and it's best to keep him out the team until that's fully sorted. Federici obviously thinks it's not affecting him and he can play through it. McDermott probably agreed to start with, but the errors have influenced his decision.

This.

Regardless, I hope like after the fans backlash last season at touting himself it's head down and comes back stronger.

[maffff]

Shaun Cummings gets dropped all the time...

Any keeper will tell you its a very different situation. Shaun Cummings still gets on the bench with a reasonable chance of playing in at least some of the game. He is also in contention for more than one position in the team. A keeper has to sit there feeling guilty for hoping that their fellow keeper either gets injured or sent off so that he can come on as a sub. He knows he is extremely unlikely to get brought on in any other circumstance.

#GKUnion

[DOYLERSAROYALER]

Question is whether BM is ruthless enough ....

A further test for BM is whether he can drop McAnuff if required....dropping Cummings, Church, Alfie and Co isnt the challenge for BM that dropping the bigger characters like Federici/McAnuff..

..cant see him telling Pog hes dropped because he isnt cutting it

Loyalty can only stretch so far ...lets hope BM knows how far that is ...

[Snowball]

Rather than argue about who is the better player, do we really think we will concede noticeably more goals with either in goal?


Right now (tho' he got lucky - I like "lucky") McCarthy is at least three bad goals ahead with Feds on -3 or -4.


I'm happy to predict McCarthy won't give away four goals in his next three games.

[Muskrat]

Brian has an obvious way to diffuse this a bit and that is to play Taylor against West Brom. After shipping ten goals in four games and losing his number one keeper (for whatever reason) he can easily play the experience card to try and stabilise our defensive frailties and give more confidence to the back four.

Neither Fed nor McCarthy could really raise an objection to this is he chose to do it IMO.

[cmonurz]

Neither Fed nor McCarthy could really raise an objection to this is he chose to do it IMO.

You don't think our England under-21 goalkeeper would have any objection to not playing with Federici out injured?

[Maguire]

Rather than argue about who is the better player, do we really think we will concede noticeably more goals with either in goal?

Right now (tho' he got lucky - I like "lucky") McCarthy is at least three bad goals ahead with Feds on -3 or -4.

I'm happy to predict McCarthy won't give away four goals in his next three games.

Would Federici?

Federici made what, two mistakes? Stoke at home and Cahill's shot at Chelsea. The fourth at Chelsea was with the blessing of the manager.

McCarthy practically gifted Spurs a goal at the weekend and looked terrified throughout.

[Royalclapper]

This is probably just the first of the bullshit problems you get in the Premier League that you don't in the lower leagues.

Remember how mercenary some of our players got in 07, how quickly heads get turned, how much more every little thing is scrutinised. So it begins.

Bob on. And the higher you go the more poisonous and sordid it all gets.

It's like having Peter Andre and Jordan suddenly attaching themselves to the club in order to pursue their own agendas.

[CayeneMatt]

Would Feds have reacted the same if we were in the Championship? No, its doubtful he'd have gone on strike which is what appears to have happened here by refusing to sit on the bench.

He's where he thinks he belongs. (Come and get me etc.). He's finally on his stage and he's fukked up either by loss of form or injury, but the bottom line is, he's fukked up and he just van't handle it.

His (and his Mrs) dream of 100K a week just got flushed down the crapper at Hogwood. Their reaction is based purely on that.

[mr_number]

Would Feds have reacted the same if we were in the Championship? No, its doubtful he'd have gone on strike which is what appears to have happened here by refusing to sit on the bench.

What?

[CayeneMatt]

Would Feds have reacted the same if we were in the Championship? No, its doubtful he'd have gone on strike which is what appears to have happened here by refusing to sit on the bench.

What?

Rumour on this thread and twitter from Saturday afternoon

[mr_number]

Would Feds have reacted the same if we were in the Championship? No, its doubtful he'd have gone on strike which is what appears to have happened here by refusing to sit on the bench.

What?

Rumour on this thread and twitter from Saturday afternoon

Ah OK, I was away at the weekend so missed this. Was worried this was just a spurious rumour started up on the internet, but since there's a decent source for it, I'm happy to go along with it

[southbank1871]

Go anywhere nice?

[mr_number]

Go anywhere nice?

Thanks for asking. Brussels on a kinda work jolly. It seemed nice enough. The trip involved drinking most of the time and a selection of team based challenges, one of which I conclusively won by eating 18 oysters in a minute. My thighs feel very sore still though, and I'm not quite sure why. Also have a fair few unexplained bruises. But the town seemed nice enough.

[southbank1871]

Gr8 stuff

[TBM]

Rather than argue about who is the better player, do we really think we will concede noticeably more goals with either in goal?

Right now (tho' he got lucky - I like "lucky") McCarthy is at least three bad goals ahead with Feds on -3 or -4.

I'm happy to predict McCarthy won't give away four goals in his next three games.

Would Federici?

Federici made what, two mistakes? Stoke at home and Cahill's shot at Chelsea. The fourth at Chelsea was with the blessing of the manager.

McCarthy practically gifted Spurs a goal at the weekend and looked terrified throughout.

You're forgetting to two against Peterborough, too

[Maguire]

Rather than argue about who is the better player, do we really think we will concede noticeably more goals with either in goal?

Right now (tho' he got lucky - I like "lucky") McCarthy is at least three bad goals ahead with Feds on -3 or -4.

I'm happy to predict McCarthy won't give away four goals in his next three games.

Would Federici?

Federici made what, two mistakes? Stoke at home and Cahill's shot at Chelsea. The fourth at Chelsea was with the blessing of the manager.

McCarthy practically gifted Spurs a goal at the weekend and looked terrified throughout.

You're forgetting to two against Peterborough, too

They weren't really errors though, were they?

[TBM]

I was right behind them (in the North) - the first went under his right arm, the second went under his body which deflected it into the far post....last season he was pushing those away to safety

They were far easier to save than any McCarthy had to on Sunday...

[Hoop Blah]

The Posh goals weren't glaring errors no, but I'm sure they played a big part in McDermotts decision because, as TBM said, they're the kind of shots that Federici was dealing with pretty comfortably last season.

I think they proved to McDermott that the injury (and perhaps the Stoke and Chelsea errors) was holding Federici back and he shouldn't have been playing. With hindsight it looks like bowing to Federici's ego and desire to start the season was quite a mistake by McDemott in the first place.

[Maguire]

I was right behind them (in the North) - the first went under his right arm, the second went under his body which deflected it into the far post....last season he was pushing those away to safety

They were far easier to save than any McCarthy had to on Sunday...

Yeah I'm not suggesting he covered himself in glory (first one was well struck though tbf) but they weren't blatant errors like Chelsea and Stoke.

I honestly thought Federici would be the one player who wouldn't have any trouble playing in the Premier League, so perhaps the injury played more of a part than we'd thought.

Whatever, I guess as a scientist I like experiments to have just the one variable if possible, so saying "McCarthy won't make as many errors in the next three games as Federici did in the first three" pains me. The correct comparator is how many he would make in the next three games compared to how many Federici would make in the next three games.

Thankfully that's not my judgement call to make.