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Re: BFTFGF - Posh

by floyd__streete » 28 Aug 2013 00:35

Going for a blood test tomorrow. It will quite honestly be a more enjoyable use of my time than what I watched tonight. Prick in the arm > 11 pricks on the pitch + 1 prick in a suit who are a collective pain in the ass.

Firstly, no excuses about 'a weakened team'. That was a team well capable of avoiding a six goal defeat to Peterborough. As the manager said - one of the few sensible things he said - there were 7 or 8 internationals out there.

I don't usually bother with individual player ratings but there were an awful lot of scapegoats out there tonight, so here goes:


Federici - beaten at his near post for the first, a familiar weakness to Federici's game. Otherwise was doomed to failure behind a ponderous defence.

Cummings - one of my favourite Adkins quotes thus far last season was that "it doesn't matter which side your full back plays on, left or right, a full back can play anywhere". Is this why England line up with Baines and Cole both playing then :roll: ? Cummings frankly is a poor footballer even at this level, we've seen that enough times over the past 3 or 4 seasons. Conceded an embarrassing penalty for the fifth and was beaten all ends up all night long by simple balls played down the line. Ship him out.

Gunter - massively mediocre player, was caught in possession to leave Posh with a 2 on 1 situation while it was still 1-0. They didn't take the chance, luckily his colleagues were just as obliging for the rest of the night.

Mariappa - Never understood the love for him. Played the largest chunk of last season, a regular in a side which conceded the joint highest amount of goals last season in the Premier League. Was turned inside out for the opener, naïve play. Didn't win big challenges, gave away free kicks and looked generally bewildered.

Gorkss - Should have been put out to pasture long ago. Conceded a penalty.

Defence as a unit: Take a look at the third goal if you get the chance, an absolute beauty. 3 on 1 defensive situation in our favour. In all fairness, they received very little protection from the following midfield:

Williams - Started brightly, broke from midfield, distributed the ball well. Second half faded, fitness seemed poor - as it seems with the whole of the team generally, why is this? - and delivered a series of utterly mediocre set pieces.

Akpan - Simply awful, every second touch had to be a tackle as he was caught in possession too often.

HRK - Another one who looks unfit, even fat (noted comments earlier - thankfully we don't call on my services quite yet 8) ). Has looked poor in his fleeting appearances this season, very disappointing as he should be capable of much better.

ALF - Pretty much anonymous, so that is standard ALF-starting fare then isn't it.

Pog - disgracefully disinterested once we'd fallen 2 & 3 behind, but gave us 2 or 3 quality touches in the earlier stages of the game. One of our most capable players yet he clearly doesn't like being here. Doesn't that say it all about Reading FC in 2013?


The manager? If you talk about scoring 100 goals and keeping 21 clean sheets and being Champions then don't be surprised if you're getting stick when you get rolled 6-0 by Peterborough when fielding a side which (on paper) should at least be able to compete with a club with a far smaller budget than our own. 2 wins from 13 now, one was a dead-rubber against Fulham, the other a narrow win thanks to a deflection and an own goal which perhaps we marginally shaded but which we also could very easily have lost given some clear cut chances we gave away. Adkins teams are too open and I don't particularly enjoy watching that. I enjoyed the Watford game as we quite honestly played some pretty and effective stuff first half, but when the opposition finally turned up second half they tore us a new @rsehole and we were all pleased with a draw in the end from a game we led 3-1 with 20 minutes to go.

The players? Jimmy Kebe has come out and got himself a move, seems we have another manager who can't get players to play for him! Pog would quite clearly rather be anywhere else. Judging by the body language tonight - the shrugging and the shaking of heads during the game - we have all the team spirit of Hitler's bunker in Berlin, circa April 1945.

In 2005 we mocked Warnock for sending a Sheff U team down with the declared intention that he didn't care about the same competition. We duly beat them comfortably. Perhaps Adkins can tell us supporters not to bother next time because the whole attitude around this game tonight - zero substitutions made - was disgraceful. At least Adkins has something memorable on his RFC CV at last.....have we ever suffered a heavier margin of defeat to a lower division side in a cup match?
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Re: BFTG P'Boro

by bobby m's syrup » 28 Aug 2013 00:36

Uke Not the result we wanted, we must learn from this

We move on...

We didn't learn when we were presented with a berth at the top level of English football and pissed it away. We didn't learn when we made no serious investment in the summer of 2012. We didn't learn when the then manager and his tactics were exposed as hopelessly inadequate by October of that year. We haven't learned from our uber cautious toe in the transfer market this summer and we still haven't learned that despite the hype and alleged resource,s it is same old, same old Reading. We have been found out big time.

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Re: BFTFGF - Posh

by Ian Royal » 28 Aug 2013 00:38

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shaka's shorts Even worse than 0-6 to Brizzle Rovers.

Get out. :arrow:

shaka's shorts Ashamed to be a Reading fan.

REALLY get out :arrow:

I'm proud to be a reading fan. Our team were abject yet we out sung 6 or 7 times our number of fans whilst losing a game 6-0. And we largely did it with good humour.

Highlight of the match. 'He's having a oxf*rd he's having a waaaaaank. He's jimmy kebe, he'll oxf*rd when he wants.' Or something like that anyway.

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Re: BFTFGF - Posh

by P!ssed Off » 28 Aug 2013 00:46

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Not what he said though was it?


That's my interpretation of it.
We can all debate Jimmy Kebe tomorrow.
Was he involved in the absolutely shit performance today? No.


If that is your interpretation of it then you are either incredibly thick or a liar. As has been pointed out to you, Adkins wasn't talking about Kebe at all (and probably wouldn't have done) until Dellor asked why he wasn't playing. If he had been trying to blame Kebe he would have mentioned him long before Dellor did.


I think Adkins allowed it to dominate the interview. But yes as others have stated I think it was mainly Dellor who allowed him/prompted him to get sidetracked.
Sorry but after a performance/result like that I expect the manager to take 100% responsibility.
IMO it would have been classier to not go into detail about the Kebe saga and take full flak for the performance rather than giving the fans a distraction.

Tell the fans the truth about Kebe (in the next few days) but don't use it, or allow it to be used, as something to distract the fans from a horrendous performance.

It reminded me of the Guthrie Sunderland affair.
Within minutes of full time the story became so and so wouldn't/didn't play when IMO it should have been about the horrendous result/performance on the pitch.

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Re: BFTFGF - Posh

by Cypry » 28 Aug 2013 00:55

Carlos Total lack of respect to the fans shown by not even bringing on a sub


Suspect that once we were four down there was little point in risking an injury to a starting payer for Yeovil on what was a lost cause....

The thing I found bizarre tonight was how Gunter and Cummings were pushed so high up the pitch, constantly left us exposed at the back every time we lost the ball. Gunter spent most of the first half playing in a more advanced position than HRK, but that was obviously under instruction...the whole setup seemed bizarre...we were playing 4-4-2, but with the defence and centre midfield playing the way we've been playing 4-5-1.

When we had the ball Gorkks and Mariappa were splitting with one of the CM's dropping deep between them, the full backs were pushing on down the wings, but the wide midfielders were playing too wide, leaving one CM trying to control the middle of the park, where we were simply over-run. It just seemed a weird ish-mash of trying to play a 4-4-2 in a 4-5-1 style - just plain odd.

No player deserves any credit - thought Pog actually started well, but gave up - ALFjust looked frustrated. Gunter was obviously under instruction to push on, and as a result looked worse than he was, similar for Cummings. Gorkks was less at fault than Mariappa (who demonstrated this evening why Morisson, Pearce and Gorkks have been preferred). HRK was simply shocking - worst player on the pitch by a mile. Obita was OK but understandably lost his confidenceFeds was sorely let down by his defence and actually saved us from even more embarrassment. Akpan and Williams were simply disorganised and over-run...

Definitely one to forget - only bright spot was getting back to Reading by 1120, A1 - M1 worked well....


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Re: BFTFGF - Posh

by blueroyals » 28 Aug 2013 01:01

Carlos Pog - 1 summed it up when he was 5 yards out and had a free header only to jump under the ball and allow it to skim off his head. Offered his shirt to a Reading fan who turned it down, I can understand why. Bet he wishes he'd stayed at Fulham.


:lol: :lol: :lol: if true

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Re: BFTFGF - Posh

by Will95 » 28 Aug 2013 01:20

Well that was awful. We looked like a side who'd never played football before in there lives.

Feds kept us out of double figures today.

The defence was atrocious, only Cummings played anything even slightly resembling football, Gunter being especially useless.

The midfield may well have not existed, Kanu was useless, Akpan non existent, Obita struggled and Williams failed to try and control the team.

Alfie put in some good crosses and had little service, but was still shit.

Pog needs to get out the club he is USELESS.

Posh were absolutely fantastic, Tomlin is a stupidly good player, and they have some real pace to them.

The stewards were utter oxf*rd.

But screw it, I enjoyed today. The support was great, sang the whole way through the game and at 6-0 down getting to stand on the bench at the back of the stand and scream chants was great fun. The humour was there constantly, about ourselves and the arsehole stewards. Enjoyed this evening to be honest.

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Re: BFTG P'Boro

by Harpers So Solid Crew » 28 Aug 2013 04:59

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Harpers So Solid Crew Poor old Ian, come on sir lets hear your opinion of a game you saw.


One of you is a season ticket holder, the other isn't...

1-0 Ian (O.G)


Hardly I know Ian went and I wanted his view on it, which we have now had.
fwiw I found it an interesting view.


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Re: BFTFGF - Posh

by Will95 » 28 Aug 2013 14:00

Would like to remind Reading fans we managed to sing louder at 6-0 down last night than we usually do when we're winning. Let's have more of that please, okay?

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by tee peg » 28 Aug 2013 14:01

Will95 Would like to remind Reading fans we managed to sing louder at 6-0 down last night than we usually do when we're winning. Let's have more of that please, okay?

The singing or the thrashing? or both? :shock:

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Re: BFTFGF - Posh

by Lower West » 28 Aug 2013 14:21

Enjoyed the Peterborough performance immensely. Applauded Assombalonga (no 9) when he was substituted. As showed in every way what our forwards lack.

I'm glad the humiliation has happened at the beginning of the season. As there's plenty of time to put matters right.

I also applaud Atkins decision not to substitute anyone. As forced to the players to take the abuse from the fans. What was telling was those that had the strength of character to applaud the fans, despite the abuse. Was only a few I should add.

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Re: BFTFGF - Posh

by Will95 » 28 Aug 2013 14:28

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Will95 Would like to remind Reading fans we managed to sing louder at 6-0 down last night than we usually do when we're winning. Let's have more of that please, okay?

The singing or the thrashing? or both? :shock:


Singing. Please not the thrashing...

Lower West Enjoyed the Peterborough performance immensely. Applauded Assombalonga (no 9) when he was substituted. As showed in every way what our forwards lack.

I'm glad the humiliation has happened at the beginning of the season. As there's plenty of time to put matters right.

I also applaud Atkins decision not to substitute anyone. As forced to the players to take the abuse from the fans. What was telling was those that had the strength of character to applaud the fans, despite the abuse. Was only a few I should add.


Applauded for both Tomlin and Assombalonga to be honest, both were absolutely fantastic yesterday.

Also agree on the Adkins point, fair play for applauding us through a shower of abuse.


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Re: BFTFGF - Posh

by BraisingsteakRoyal » 28 Aug 2013 14:49

That new bumper pay deal for HRK really seems to have done the trick.

Value.

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Re: BFTFGF - Posh

by Ian Royal » 28 Aug 2013 16:22

Yeah, fair play to Adkins for turning and applauding. I may be foolish, but I genuinely think he believes what he preaches. He could have just turned away and gone down the tunnel but he stepped forward. And I don't think it was sarcastic.

I'm a firm believer that even quality players can have off days and will struggle in a side playing terribly. So I think there is plenty that a number of that side can bring to our first team. But that was a hodge podge team without a clue if ever I've seen one.

The one thing that Pre-season and this match has me worried about, is that I'm not sure Adkins places enough emphasis on the battle in central midfield. Similarly to McDermott, although the flaws in his team there were quite different. While McDermott wanted to just sit and spoil there in defence and go over / round it in attack, Adkins seems to want to just pretend it isn't there and pull as many of our players out of it as possible.

Still, it's one meaningless result and at least it'll shut up the morons who think Mariappa is some sort of panacea.

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Re: BFTFGF - Posh

by Toon Toon Blue army » 28 Aug 2013 16:46

All the starting 11 should be made to cover the costs of the fans who travelled to the game. It's a disgrace they can pickup their weekly wage for being that shit, so I'm sure they can spare 20 quid or whatever it was as a decent gesture.

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Re: BFTFGF - Posh

by royaltxd » 28 Aug 2013 18:36

I've never left a game early but I left at 4-0 last night to make the journey home. I just couldn't take it any longer. It just wasn't the 'Reading way' being completely turned over in that manner.

There was a sense of delusion and angst amongst the fans, not quite at the level of hatred as was at that QPR away match a few years back but it was pinpointed mainly at the players.

It will be interesting to see what the players attitude looks like this Saturday...

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Re: BFTFGF - Posh

by Ian Royal » 29 Aug 2013 16:50

royaltxd I've never left a game early but I left at 4-0 last night to make the journey home. I just couldn't take it any longer. It just wasn't the 'Reading way' being completely turned over in that manner.

There was a sense of delusion and angst amongst the fans, not quite at the level of hatred as was at that QPR away match a few years back but it was pinpointed mainly at the players.It will be interesting to see what the players attitude looks like this Saturday...

Totally disagree with the highlighted bit. That QPR match under Rodgers was vitriolic in the extreme and you could feel the rage radiating off the crowd. Tuesday was mildly peevish by comparison and even then only in the last 5 - 10 minutes.

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Re: BFTFGF - Posh

by Will95 » 29 Aug 2013 16:59

The chant of 'we want our money back' at the end was the only real moment of anger to be honest, and even then it was just 300 people trying to let the players know that we payed to watch it, play better!

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Re: BFTFGF - Posh

by P!ssed Off » 29 Aug 2013 17:05

Will95 The chant of 'we want our money back' at the end was the only real moment of anger to be honest, and even then it was just 300 people trying to let the players know that we payed to watch it, play better!


Sorry, was going to let it go the first time I saw you write this but have to say something now:

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