Mark Bowen

[Orion1871]

I will maintain to my dying day that Liam Moore is the biggest parasite this club has ever seen.

If your employer, in order to avoid you leaving for a rival company, offered to triple your salary for a fixed term contract, would you ….
- take the money
- sacrifice yourself financially if you became unable to do the job

I rather think the idiot that refused to sell him and then gave him a ludicrous contract is the problem

100% this. It’s not his fault that the chairman refused his move. He was a good captain and did a lot of sterling work in the community. Like McCleary and Gunter, he is someone unnecessarily vilified (largely by the owner) when the club made appalling decisions and tried to use him as a scapegoat.

Also paid out of his own pocket for younger team mates to see a sports psychologist.

[Hound]

One of the main problems with Moore was the constant injuries and loss of form over the last couple of years. We’ve got nothing back really for about 4 million quid over the last two years just as we have been desperate to use that cash

Though same could be said to a lesser extent on Meite and Ejaria as well

[Hound]

One of the main problems with Moore was the constant injuries and loss of form over the last couple of years. We’ve got nothing back really for about 4 million quid over the last two years just as we have been desperate to use that cash

Though same could be said to a lesser extent on Meite and Ejaria as well

[Fezza]

One of the main problems with Moore was the constant injuries and loss of form over the last couple of years. We’ve got nothing back really for about 4 million quid over the last two years just as we have been desperate to use that cash

Though same could be said to a lesser extent on Meite and Ejaria as well

Form is largely irrelevant over the last two years, the Chairman had him training with the reserves and had already written that insane letter. Moore was also injured, once recovered he went to Stoke, but then was injured again up until about two months ago. He never had a chance to gain form.

He was in poor form about 2 1/2 - 3 years ago but was also carrying a serious shoulder problem.

The issue throughout has been our owners. Sadly the EFL can't be docked points or relegated for continually failing to adequately do the fit and proper persons checks.

[Snowflake Royal]

Oh look, people pretending the contract situation had nothing to do with Moore again and excusing players of being greedy oxf*rd.

[tmesis]

The issue throughout has been our owners. Sadly the EFL can't be docked points or relegated for continually failing to adequately do the fit and proper persons checks.

All they can really do it check on the legality of someone taking over, and request transparancy into the proposed funding of the clubs.

If they bar someone from buying a business that they have a legal right to buy, they could face costly lawsuits. The guy behind Zingarevich came out with that in the AlJezeera expose, and also showed how easy is was to get round transparency requirements.

None of our problems have anything to do with our owner being 'dodgy'. In terms of funding, we couldn't have hoped for a better owner. It's how that money has been spent that's the problem.

[72 bus]

The issue throughout has been our owners. Sadly the EFL can't be docked points or relegated for continually failing to adequately do the fit and proper persons checks.

All they can really do it check on the legality of someone taking over, and request transparancy into the proposed funding of the clubs.

If they bar someone from buying a business that they have a legal right to buy, they could face costly lawsuits. The guy behind Zingarevich came out with that in the AlJezeera expose, and also showed how easy is was to get round transparency requirements.

None of our problems have anything to do with our owner being 'dodgy'. In terms of funding, we couldn't have hoped for a better owner. It's how that money has been spent that's the problem.

He wasn't allowed to buy Hull in the premiership.
If you fail the Premiership's fit and proper persons check that should be enough of a red flag for the EFL to also fail you.
That they didn't tells me their checks are not good enough.

[Snowflake Royal]

The issue throughout has been our owners. Sadly the EFL can't be docked points or relegated for continually failing to adequately do the fit and proper persons checks.

All they can really do it check on the legality of someone taking over, and request transparancy into the proposed funding of the clubs.

If they bar someone from buying a business that they have a legal right to buy, they could face costly lawsuits. The guy behind Zingarevich came out with that in the AlJezeera expose, and also showed how easy is was to get round transparency requirements.

None of our problems have anything to do with our owner being 'dodgy'. In terms of funding, we couldn't have hoped for a better owner. It's how that money has been spent that's the problem.

He wasn't allowed to buy Hull in the premiership.
If you fail the Premiership's fit and proper persons check that should be enough of a red flag for the EFL to also fail you.
That they didn't tells me their checks are not good enough.

That's presumably because you don't understand what the checks are. Which you're probably not helped on by still referring to it as a long since dead and misnamed version of the test.

The checks are about whether you have the necessary funds you say you do, and whether you have any relevant unspent criminal or financial sanctions in place.

It's absolutely nothing to do with your competence, general trustworthiness or intentions.

[Sutekh]

The issue throughout has been our owners. Sadly the EFL can't be docked points or relegated for continually failing to adequately do the fit and proper persons checks.

All they can really do it check on the legality of someone taking over, and request transparancy into the proposed funding of the clubs.

If they bar someone from buying a business that they have a legal right to buy, they could face costly lawsuits. The guy behind Zingarevich came out with that in the AlJezeera expose, and also showed how easy is was to get round transparency requirements.

None of our problems have anything to do with our owner being 'dodgy'. In terms of funding, we couldn't have hoped for a better owner. It's how that money has been spent that's the problem.

He wasn't allowed to buy Hull in the premiership.
If you fail the Premiership's fit and proper persons check that should be enough of a red flag for the EFL to also fail you.
That they didn't tells me their checks are not good enough.

And serves to highlight how ****** stupid it is that the PL and FL operate two different systems in such matters.

[Elm Park Kid]

All they can really do it check on the legality of someone taking over, and request transparancy into the proposed funding of the clubs.

If they bar someone from buying a business that they have a legal right to buy, they could face costly lawsuits. The guy behind Zingarevich came out with that in the AlJezeera expose, and also showed how easy is was to get round transparency requirements.

None of our problems have anything to do with our owner being 'dodgy'. In terms of funding, we couldn't have hoped for a better owner. It's how that money has been spent that's the problem.

He wasn't allowed to buy Hull in the premiership.
If you fail the Premiership's fit and proper persons check that should be enough of a red flag for the EFL to also fail you.
That they didn't tells me their checks are not good enough.

And serves to highlight how ****** stupid it is that the PL and FL operate two different systems in such matters.

The rules are largely the same - the difference is that the EFL doesn't put as much resources into the investigations as the PL does.

[Snowflake Royal]

It's ironic one of the board's most rampant Tories is complaining about insufficient regulatory oversight.

I thought you loved a largely self regulated freemarket, bus.

[Sutekh]

He wasn't allowed to buy Hull in the premiership.
If you fail the Premiership's fit and proper persons check that should be enough of a red flag for the EFL to also fail you.
That they didn't tells me their checks are not good enough.

And serves to highlight how ****** stupid it is that the PL and FL operate two different systems in such matters.

The rules are largely the same - the difference is that the EFL doesn't put as much resources into the investigations as the PL does.

Which is plainly ludicrous as if the PL have already done all the work all the FL have to do is contact them for the details and the FL’s job then become a lot easier as they’d just need to re-check the concerns originally raised!

[Snowflake Royal]

And serves to highlight how ****** stupid it is that the PL and FL operate two different systems in such matters.

The rules are largely the same - the difference is that the EFL doesn't put as much resources into the investigations as the PL does.

Which is plainly ludicrous as if the PL have already done all the work all the FL have to do is contact them for the details and the FL’s job then become a lot easier as they’d just need to re-check the concerns originally raised!

Not at all. It's not about how a bid for a different club was structured X years ago. It's about the bid for the new club.

And looking at out of date criminal / financial checkd would be gross incompetence. Not to mention legal implications of that sort of data sharing between separate legal entities.

[tmesis]

The rules are largely the same - the difference is that the EFL doesn't put as much resources into the investigations as the PL does.

Which is plainly ludicrous as if the PL have already done all the work all the FL have to do is contact them for the details and the FL’s job then become a lot easier as they’d just need to re-check the concerns originally raised!

Not at all. It's not about how a bid for a different club was structured X years ago. It's about the bid for the new club.

And looking at out of date criminal / financial checkd would be gross incompetence. Not to mention legal implications of that sort of data sharing between separate legal entities.

Regardless, there's nothing about Dai's finances that have been the problem for Reading.

Even the two clubs he folded went bust after he bought us.

[Snowflake Royal]

Which is plainly ludicrous as if the PL have already done all the work all the FL have to do is contact them for the details and the FL’s job then become a lot easier as they’d just need to re-check the concerns originally raised!

Not at all. It's not about how a bid for a different club was structured X years ago. It's about the bid for the new club.

And looking at out of date criminal / financial checkd would be gross incompetence. Not to mention legal implications of that sort of data sharing between separate legal entities.

Regardless, there's nothing about Dai's finances that have been the problem for Reading.

Even the two clubs he folded went bust after he bought us.

Yes. It's his stupidity that's the problem.

[tmesis]

Not at all. It's not about how a bid for a different club was structured X years ago. It's about the bid for the new club.

And looking at out of date criminal / financial checkd would be gross incompetence. Not to mention legal implications of that sort of data sharing between separate legal entities.

Regardless, there's nothing about Dai's finances that have been the problem for Reading.

Even the two clubs he folded went bust after he bought us.

Yes. It's his stupidity that's the problem.

And sadly no 'fit & proper' test covers incompetence.

[Lower West]

Regardless, there's nothing about Dai's finances that have been the problem for Reading.

Failure to pay the staff's wages on time twice in the last 6 months........

[Snowflake Royal]

Regardless, there's nothing about Dai's finances that have been the problem for Reading.

Failure to pay the staff's wages on time twice in the last 6 months........

Not because he doesn't have the money, but because he fails to move it quickly enough around bank holidays.

[Ascotexgunner]

I have to say, this thread seems to have diverted away from Mark Bowen....which is sad because surely if we need a reset and a clear out he should be one of the first out of the door. As director of football our academy failed, scouting has failed, and basically everything has failed. Why did he not push for Ince to be sacked. He said that he wanted him gone last February, so why didnt he speak to Dai?
So is he part of the problem also?

[RoyalBlue]

I have to say, this thread seems to have diverted away from Mark Bowen....which is sad because surely if we need a reset and a clear out he should be one of the first out of the door. As director of football our academy failed, scouting has failed, and basically everything has failed. Why did he not push for Ince to be sacked. He said that he wanted him gone last February, so why didnt he speak to Dai?
So is he part of the problem also?

You do realise he's only been in his role since midMay 2022?

Academy lost its status shortly (a month or so) after he took over, so hardly his fault. He has also worked hard to rebuild the scouting set up since arriving and from most accounts has made some very good appointments there.

I'm also sure he did tell Mr Dai that Ince should be sacked a lot earlier but rich owners often insist on making their own decisions and won't listen to others, even if they are paying them to offer advice!