MACSTATS

[RobRoyal]

My favorite stat of all time is that, on average, we all have fewer than 2 legs.

That is all.

[brendywendy]

My favorite stat of all time is that, on average, we all have fewer than 2 legs.

That is all.

all amputees with prosthetic limbs probably go through a few in their life time.
do the amputees without prostheses outnumber these extra limbs

[Maguire]

because his style would never fit the Rodgers plan?

His style won't fit any sensible plan because it seems to revolve around looking a bit lost and not scoring many goals.

[Snowball]

To suggest winning a penalty at Liverpool and scoring in a couple of games, in between 2 stupid red cards and numerous innefective displays suddenly makes Long a great player, is rather surprising from somebody who prides themselves on rational analysis. I'm not suggesting he's shit either but his overall period at the club both from watching him play, and the stats suggests he's been no better then average.

THIS SEASON HE IS SCORING MORE GOALS PER MINUTE PLAYED THAN ANY OTHER PLAYER

LAST SEASON, DESPITE NOT PLAYING ANYTHING LIKE AS MANY STARTS HE WAS THIRD TOP SCORER
AND WAS AVERAGING ALMOST EXACTLY A GOAL EVERY 180 MINUTES (2 GAMES) THAT'S TOP FORM

IT'S NOT JUST THIS SEASON'S STATS. HIS TOTAL GOALS PER TOTAL MINUTES PLAYED IS VERY, VERY GOOD
AND MATCHES DOYLE AND HUNT.

Given the calibre of player Long has played with since he joined the club, I'd be rather stunned if he didn't have a few goals in his time. But the big glaring stat staring at me right now is that our 'number 9' and one of the 'senior strikers' at the club will have missed at least 7 games this year due to suspension.

SHOCK HORROR, KEEN, OVER-ROBUST 22-23 YEAR OLD HAS TWO SENDINGS OFF IN A SEASON

PERSONALLY I AM GLAD HE SHOWS SUCH SPIRIT.

HOW MANY SENDINGS OFF DID ARSENAL'S VIERA HAVE?

HOW MANY TIES HAS WAYNE ROONEY BEEN SENT OFF?

Oh and on your MACSTATS, a giant LOL to considering the Liverpool away game a win, I'd love if every game we were drawing over 90 minutes went to extra time, then perhaps we'd have beaten Notts Forest, Scunny, Doncaster, Watford, Ipswich, Bristol City.

YEAH YEAH YEAH AND IF WE HAD LOST I DOUBT ANYONE WOULD HAVE SIAD WE "DREW"

T

[Mad Dog's Ghost]

TWO REQUESTS.

1 CAPS LOCK OFF, cheers.

2 No stats or posts tomorrow. Or it's goodbye FA Cup quarters.

[Huntley & Palmer]

THIS SEASON HE IS SCORING MORE GOALS PER MINUTE PLAYED THAN ANY OTHER PLAYER

LAST SEASON, DESPITE NOT PLAYING ANYTHING LIKE AS MANY STARTS HE WAS THIRD TOP SCORER
AND WAS AVERAGING ALMOST EXACTLY A GOAL EVERY 180 MINUTES (2 GAMES) THAT'S TOP FORM

IT'S NOT JUST THIS SEASON'S STATS. HIS TOTAL GOALS PER TOTAL MINUTES PLAYED IS VERY, VERY GOOD
AND MATCHES DOYLE AND HUNT.
SHOCK HORROR, KEEN, OVER-ROBUST 22-23 YEAR OLD HAS TWO SENDINGS OFF IN A SEASON

PERSONALLY I AM GLAD HE SHOWS SUCH SPIRIT.

HOW MANY SENDINGS OFF DID ARSENAL'S VIERA HAVE?

HOW MANY TIES HAS WAYNE ROONEY BEEN SENT OFF?

Quite how you can defend the strike rate of Long is beyond me.

38 starts
78 sub appearances
21 goals


All in the league, that is a piss poor return for someone that will have been here for five seasons come June

[prostak]

The sad thing is, Snowball's not bad when he's just providing comment. It's just when these bullsh*t statistics come into play that it all goes wrong. If statistics were as significant as he makes out, Norway would have been the world's greatest team after adopting Charles Reep's recommendations. His defence of Long, for instance, fails to account for certain significant factors - such as the player's frequent inability to control a football.

[Snowball]

Calling starts 90 minutes and sub appearances 15 minutes

THIS YEAR including FA Cup (because we are competing genuinely)

Long is the most prolific scorer

10 08 1 3 12.83 4 1 05 2.57 LONG
11 09 3 1 15.67 6 0 06 2.61 RASIAK
18 05 3 0 21.83 6 2 08 2.73 GYLFI
19 04 2 1 21.83 6 2 08 2.73 CHURCH
05 05 0 0 05.83 2 0 02 2.92 HUNT

And this is this year with all the other four seasons.

I include his first season with one whole start!

51 Games 22 Goals LONG
64 Games 20 Goals LITA

Effectively 51 x 90 minutes and scored 22 goals

That stacks up against the best of them


038 78 051.00 22 2.32 LONG
073 18 076.00 32 2.38 KITSON
011 09 015.67 06 2.61 RASIAK
161 16 166.00 63 2.63 DOYLE
032 15 034.50 13 2.65 HUNT
019 04 021.83 08 2.73 CHURCH
018 05 021.83 08 2.73 GYLFI
060 23 063.83 20 3.19 LITA


Incidentally, when talking league-only Rasiak looks good

12.50 Games 06 Goals 1 goal every 2.08 games RASIAK

[Snowball]

The sad thing is, Snowball's not bad when he's just providing comment. It's just when these bullsh*t statistics come into play that it all goes wrong. If statistics were as significant as he makes out, Norway would have been the world's greatest team after adopting Charles Reep's recommendations. His defence of Long, for instance, fails to account for certain significant factors - such as the player's frequent inability to control a football.

He's a striker.

He is supposed to score goals

He scores goals

38 League starts, 21 League goals

His hit rate in goals per minute played matches and beats all the club's strikers over the last 4/5 seasons

[Royal With Cheese]

Stop it with the goals per minute malarky Snowball. It does you no credit.

[Millsy]

Cheers.

Sorry are you snowball?

[prostak]

Wasn't David N'gog the best striker in the Premier League on goals-per-minute at some point this season, something like one goal every 60 minutes? Crux time, Snowball - if we could sign anyone, would you rather Rooney, Ibrahimovic or N'Gog?

[BR2]

Snowball,
You select players who have been sent off in Viera and Rooney whereas you could have chosen ace strikers like Lineker and Owen instead,i.e you don't have to be a hothead to be a striker.
Your blinkered defence of Shane Long is.....er...blinkered.

[weybridgewanderer]

snowball,

kebe has scored 2 goals in 5 FACup games, 1 every 2 and a half games

if projected into the league, will he score 18 goals over the season?

[Wimb]

Wow someone is quite defensive.

No idea why you need to resort to CAPS mind getting frustrated perhaps?

Snowball I've only got one question. Do you actually watch Reading games?

I only say this because the vast majority of those watching Long week in week out will tell you he's been pretty average over the course of his career here.

As a statistical man, you probably know the meaning of average. What that means is that he'll have some bad games, some good games, but generally they balance out to average.

Personally I think he's been fairly useful as a 3rd/4th choice striker and especially in our periods of success he was good off the bench and in the odd start.

But tell me this, if Long is as good as his 'stats' suggest, why didn't Wolves sign him for 6 million? why didn't Stoke sign him for £6 million, and why wasn't he courted by Premier League and top level Championship clubs like Lita was.

.....perhaps, and I'm only making a guess here, but scouts and people with vast experience in the game realise that stats don't always make a great player.

I honestly hope you're doing this 'stat routine' for comedy value, because it's clear you've no interest in debating them rationally.

but still, appreciate the effort and the funky maths.

[Alan Partridge]

IT'S LIKE LIGHTNING STRIKING AGAAAAAAIN
LIGHTNING STRIKING AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIIIIIN

[Snowball]

snowball,

kebe has scored 2 goals in 5 FA Cup games, 1 every 2 and a half games

if projected into the league, will he score 18 goals over the season?

You can't project that when there are only 15 games left! And you'd have to balance it with the LEAGUE predictor (ony two goals in 14 or whatever it is.... but it IS reasonable (however imperfect) to bring ALL genuinely competitive games together and extrapolate from that.

So your silly stat would suggest 6 more goals 9in 15 games)

Kebe's league form for the whole season would suggest ONE league goal in the rest of the season

But with 15 league games to go, and at least one cup game, the stats suggest he will get another three goals. How much money do you want to bet that he gets LESS than three more by the end of the season (if he starts every game that is)

[papereyes]

Wasn't David N'gog the best striker in the Premier League on goals-per-minute at some point this season, something like one goal every 60 minutes? Crux time, Snowball - if we could sign anyone, would you rather Rooney, Ibrahimovic or N'Gog?

Harlon Marewood was, about 2 seasons ago. Got 10 minutes every other game, scored about 5 goals.

Just looked it up 07/08 1 start, 22 subs; 5 goals.

[Snowball]

Goals per minute on the pitch is a STANDARD measure used by many football journals and pundits.

And yes, I have a season ticket and usually get to 4-5-6 away games a year too.

But I have learned that eyeball and emotion are crap ways to judge.

The end of a season when the stats are in, tells the real tale.

[Wimb]

Goals per minute on the pitch is a STANDARD measure used by many football journals and pundits.

And yes, I have a season ticket and usually get to 4-5-6 away games a year too.

But I have learned that eyeball and emotion are crap ways to judge.

The end of a season when the stats are in, tells the real tale.

Let me get this straight. By your reasoning and forgive me if I'm wrong.....

Player A) Plays 70 minutes against a team 2nd in the league, with say 0 SOT, who wins countless headers, has a 90% pass ratio and harried a defender into making a mistake that lets a fellow striker nip in and score the first. He then provides a key ball to the winger which leads to a cross for the second goal.


Player B) Comes on with 20 minutes to go and the spirit of the oppossition broken, he lingers around the edge of the box but is ineffective at winning tackles, holding up the ball, and puts 3 one on ones straight into the arms of their keeper, one of those the keeper spills and another player makes ammends by tapping home. Then, at the death he manages to score a 2 yard tap in.

By your 'statistical rationing' player A would end up with 0 goals and 0 assists and player B would end up with 1 goal and 1 assist.

If you just looked at that in the paper (or on an ITV highlights package ) you'd think that player B clearly had the better game. But if you looked with your heart and your eyes, you'd see that player A was by far the better player.

Journalists DO use goals per minutes as a good tool of measuring how good a striker is. But bear in mind that as others have pointed out, just using that as a measure of talent leads to statistical anomylies of ridiculous natures, such as when N'Gog had a better GPM ratio then Torres. Now would you look at your stats and go. "N'Gog is clearly the better player" ?

No you wouldn't, you'd look far beyond the stats and say, N'Gog is profitting from being used against weaker teams and late on and Torres has been carrying an injury and playing every game against some of the best teams in the country.

Seriously Snowball your stats are interesting, but the vary fact you continue to blindly stick to them without debate is beneath you.