How impressed are you with BMcD's return to the club?

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Re: How impressed are you with BMcD's return to the club?

by Vision » 17 Feb 2016 10:39

Hoop Blah The sad thing is that your post just re-emphasises the way the modern game is going (I think it was your original point before we went off on details and tangents) in terms of the short termism and cheque book mentality. Coppell, and Pardew before, made (largely) astute signings for specific reasons and you could usually see the logic behind them.

McDermott was the same, albeit with a few more dodgy cheap punts on randoms with little or no chance of success, but with the influx of more and more money the time needed to evolve and build a squad and a team just isn't afforded managers anymore.

It's just another aspect of football at this level going to pot.


That's for being able to decipher my guff ;-)

Although there are similiarities and I hope we veer more towards what we did back then, the football climate both in general and at the club McD faced in his first stint was different to the one operated by Coppell just as the task and environment he faces now is different to the one he faced in his original stint.

As much as the whole Bournemouth fairytale is something of a myth , there is a methodology there , which mirrors our way of building continuity and adding quality where necessary from the past. Obviously the stakes are higher now and their income v outlay is way beyond what ours was but it's easy to forget that we ran at pretty significant losses each year prior to 05/06.

As with the relative recent successes of Swansea, Soton and even Stoke,who were our peers for pretty much the whole time we were building up to the Premiership, having a clear direction and policy is a first big step.

That's where the Thais have been lacking thus far (and to be fair it's early days) because off the field in terms of development on the non-footballing side they appear to know what they're doing. However they've been a lot of mixed messages sent out in our transfer policy and indeed in terms of contracts which has let the previous two managers down to some degree.

It's still early days of course but I'm hoping we're beginning to see the start of a clear direction in terms of the footballing side.

BTW As I was writing the previous post it occurred to me that one of the best signings we made prior to 05/06 wasn't a player at all but was Eamonn Dolan. Think he's had a huge influence on the evolution of the club in his time here.

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Re: How impressed are you with BMcD's return to the club?

by stealthpapes » 17 Feb 2016 13:08

Vision A lot of Coppell's early signings are also interesting (although only to me it would seem) when put into context alongside the perceived notion that the major reason behind McD's success was that he knew the players he was working with. Most of Coppell's signings in the first 18 months or so were players known to him. Brooker, Ingimarrsson, Sonko, Little etc. At the point of the 04/05 season entering the final few months it was clear we had a side that contained good/decent championship players (the nucleus of the 106 team) but there was something missing. Coppell thought that might be experience so brought in Keown and Ferdinand but that didn't do the trick. Actually I also have an alternative theory on that "failure" too but I suspect this one is boring enough for most on here for now :-)


oh go on

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Re: How impressed are you with BMcD's return to the club?

by stealthpapes » 17 Feb 2016 13:14

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Speaking of crap memory I am genuinely :shock: at the amount of games Cummings played in McD's promotion season.


I've just looked at didn't realise he was here for so long ... anyway, he was brought back for a play-off game against Cardiff, I think, and did a good job, so him being played a lot the next season kind of makes sense.

Incidentally.

05/06 season preview - http://bsad.org/0506/reports/reading/poppo.html

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Re: How impressed are you with BMcD's return to the club?

by The Cap » 18 Feb 2016 19:56

I see the Chronic has struck with the following caption, under the piccie of Maccy D and Paul Clement, 'Brian McDermott shares a joke with ex-Derby boss Paul Clement before the 1-1 draw at Madejski Stadium last month.

Embarrassing when a local paper gets a basic fact like this wrong.

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Re: How impressed are you with BMcD's return to the club?

by Longhorn1970 » 19 Feb 2016 20:45

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He is a good manager and we're fortunate to have him.

Your taking the piss now


Fancy speaking to another employer when already contracted to the gooners ..


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Re: How impressed are you with BMcD's return to the club?

by Lower West » 20 Feb 2016 18:34

How impressed are you with BMcD's return to the club?

Very. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

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Re: How impressed are you with BMcD's return to the club?

by Ian Royal » 20 Feb 2016 19:14

Lower West How impressed are you with BMcD's return to the club?

Very. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

I never really believed Clarke could translate cup success to the league. I think McDermott will.

Very good win with what looked like a patch work side. Not too far off our early season shape that saw loads of success too.

Hector deeper, HRK and Rakels wider, Cox more isolated. But close. Get Williams fit to link midfield and attack better should help.

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Re: How impressed are you with BMcD's return to the club?

by harry » 20 Feb 2016 19:28

It's starting to come together quite nicely.
Just need some league wins and better away results.
And a trip to Wemberley wouldn't go amiss

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Re: How impressed are you with BMcD's return to the club?

by Snowball » 20 Feb 2016 20:04

I said right at the start that we should ignore the early results, give Brian
a fortnight or more to get to grips with the team.

Below are all his results including the games that IMO we shouldn't include

Brian is W5 D5 L4 20-13, but two of those defeats were right at the start of this reign


1 0 H Blackburn
0 1 A Wolves
1 2 H Brentford
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1 0 H Bristol City
2 2 A Huddersfield
1 1 A Derby
0 1 A MK Dons
5 2 H Huddersfield
1 1 H Wednesday
4 0 H Walsall
1 2 A Ipswich
0 0 H Wolves
0 0 H Burnley
3 1 H WBA

20 13

W D L
5 5 4

35.7% Wins
35.7% Draws
28.6% Defeats

If you ignore his first two weeks he is P11 W4 D5 L2 18-10


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Re: How impressed are you with BMcD's return to the club?

by Lower West » 20 Feb 2016 23:27

Snowball give Brian a fortnight or more to get to grips with the team.




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Re: How impressed are you with BMcD's return to the club?

by KC Royal » 21 Feb 2016 11:28

Just going back to the interesting debate about Coppell and McDermott's familiarity with the players/signings etc.

Didn't Ingimarsson help Wolves win promotion to the Prem? Maybe a bigger signing than I thought at the time.

On Cummings, shows how much he has been forgotten. I remember in 2011-12 he displaced Griffin early in the season becoming a regular and didn't miss too many games for the rest of the season. I never got the impression McD really rated them though. It took him 8 months to pick him and that was only because we had an injury crisis at left-back just before Harte was signed. Then in the promotion season we signed Connolly and Mullins (also bought as a midfielder but think he played at right-back too). By the time McD was sacked Cummings was very much 3rd choice after we signed Gunter and Kelly.

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Re: How impressed are you with BMcD's return to the club?

by RoyalinBracknell » 21 Feb 2016 14:00

So that's now 3 FA Cup Quarter-Finals, 1 Play-off final and 1 League title.

There have been various signs of promise since McDermott came back and yesterday it all came together. Hopefully we can build on it with a potentially decent run of games between now and Easter.

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Re: How impressed are you with BMcD's return to the club?

by From Despair To Where? » 21 Feb 2016 21:02

We're showing a bit more steel at the back. A strong defence doesn't necessarily win you games but it stops you from losing them. To be honest, we seem to be following the same pattern as last time he was here. Sort out the defence then build forward from there.


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Re: How impressed are you with BMcD's return to the club?

by Ian Royal » 21 Feb 2016 21:11

From Despair To Where? We're showing a bit more steel at the back. A strong defence doesn't necessarily win you games but it stops you from losing them. To be honest, we seem to be following the same pattern as last time he was here. Sort out the defence then build forward from there.


Remind me, is there precedent for a manager taking over a struggling Reading side and inspiring a charge up the table with an Fa Cup run and PL scalp taking?

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by Snowball » 21 Feb 2016 21:20

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From Despair To Where? We're showing a bit more steel at the back. A strong defence doesn't necessarily win you games but it stops you from losing them. To be honest, we seem to be following the same pattern as last time he was here. Sort out the defence then build forward from there.


Remind me, is there precedent for a manager taking over a struggling Reading side and inspiring a charge up the table with an Fa Cup run and PL scalp taking?


Not sure. Adkins? Clarke?

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Re: How impressed are you with BMcD's return to the club?

by Ian Royal » 21 Feb 2016 21:22

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From Despair To Where? We're showing a bit more steel at the back. A strong defence doesn't necessarily win you games but it stops you from losing them. To be honest, we seem to be following the same pattern as last time he was here. Sort out the defence then build forward from there.


Remind me, is there precedent for a manager taking over a struggling Reading side and inspiring a charge up the table with an Fa Cup run and PL scalp taking?


Not sure. Adkins? Clarke?

Must have been Clarke. Oh well.

*Glum face*

Shoulda stuck with the dour Scots git.

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Re: How impressed are you with BMcD's return to the club?

by Hoop Blah » 21 Feb 2016 21:25

KC Royal Didn't Ingimarsson help Wolves win promotion to the Prem? Maybe a bigger signing than I thought at the time.


No, I think he played more games on loan with relegated Brighton than promoted Wolves that season.

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Re: How impressed are you with BMcD's return to the club?

by facaldaqui » 21 Feb 2016 22:33

I love Brian but I think it is asking a lot for him to repeat what he did last time; and I have no idea whether he will succeed again or not.

But I was mightily impressed by what he did against West Brom. We saw the revival of the old later-game, wing-attack onslaught familiar from Coppell and from Brian's first spell. Unlike Clarke, Brian will throw the kitchen sink at it in later stages, and Robson-Kanu and John brought back memories with their counter-attacking game. John may not be perfect, but nor were the likes of Antonio and Kébé in their original raw states, yet this type of player can create havoc in a counter-attack scenario.

In fact, yesterday reminded me both of Reading's famous championship-deciding win away to the Saints and of the away play-off game against Cardiff, when Brian deployed Cummings, of all people, to great effect on the counter. This type of play is only possible with a good springboard out of defence, and yesterday we had that in Hector. I think I can see something of Brian's old style re-emerging, based on a strong defensive midfield and a double wing attack.

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Re: How impressed are you with BMcD's return to the club?

by Lower West » 21 Feb 2016 23:09

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Remind me, is there precedent for a manager taking over a struggling Reading side and inspiring a charge up the table with an Fa Cup run and PL scalp taking?


Not sure. Adkins? Clarke?

Must have been Clarke. Oh well.

*Glum face*

Shoulda stuck with the dour Scots git.



Don't recall a charge up the table.

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Re: How impressed are you with BMcD's return to the club?

by leon » 21 Feb 2016 23:28

Double whoosh probably on its way but I think he's talking about Brian's last tenure

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