Harte is Rubbish, not good enough for the Championship

[Snowball]

When much of the debate around Harte has centred on whether he is a good enough defender, outside of the goals he scores, what is the use of referencing Actim stats, which have been shown to favour goalscorers?


How is Long doing, Actim-wise?

He's 4th

[Snowball]

When much of the debate around Harte has centred on whether he is a good enough defender, outside of the goals he scores, what is the use of referencing Actim stats, which have been shown to favour goalscorers?

You SAY. Now prove it.

[cmonurz]

Can't be proven, as Actim won't release their precise methodology, which presumably you knew, however the majority of top actim scorers in recent seasons have been strikers, which suggests the data may be unreliable in judging the overall performance of players, given that you wouldn't expect that trend from a system that weighted individual contributions against an expected profile for the position that person plays in.

I don't have to prove anything, I'm just giving my opinion, the Actim stats are devalued as a) Actim won't release how they are calculated, b) the framework they have released shows it to be skewed towards attacking and c) evidence suggests that indeed attacking players are favoured by the calculations.

Now to use the argument you just did - you prove the Actim stats are reliable. Of course, you can't.

In what respect is Shane Long 4th on the Actim list you posted on the previous page?

[Snowball]

Can't be proven, as Actim won't release their precise methodology, which presumably you knew, however the majority of top actim scorers in recent seasons have been strikers, which suggests the data may be unreliable in judging the overall performance of players, given that you wouldn't expect that trend from a system that weighted individual contributions against an expected profile for the position that person plays in.

I don't have to prove anything, I'm just giving my opinion, the Actim stats are devalued as a) Actim won't release how they are calculated, b) the framework they have released shows it to be skewed towards attacking and c) evidence suggests that indeed attacking players are favoured by the calculations.

I could have sworn you wrote HAVE BEEN SHOWN TO BE


now you say "SUGGESTS" the data MAY BE unreliable... and then just to cover your ass you say it's "only my opinion"

Now has it been shown to be the case or not?

[Wimb]

Can't be proven, as Actim won't release their precise methodology, which presumably you knew, however the majority of top actim scorers in recent seasons have been strikers, which suggests the data may be unreliable in judging the overall performance of players, given that you wouldn't expect that trend from a system that weighted individual contributions against an expected profile for the position that person plays in.

I don't have to prove anything, I'm just giving my opinion, the Actim stats are devalued as a) Actim won't release how they are calculated, b) the framework they have released shows it to be skewed towards attacking and c) evidence suggests that indeed attacking players are favoured by the calculations.

Now to use the argument you just did - you prove the Actim stats are reliable. Of course, you can't.

In what respect is Shane Long 4th on the Actim list you posted on the previous page?

Aye, didn't see Long on that list

[Snowball]

In what respect is Shane Long 4th on the Actim list you posted on the previous page?

Just LOOK!


01 Jay Bothroyd, Cardiff 317
02 Ben Turner, Coventry 313
03 Adele Taarabt, QPR 285
04 Shane Long, Reading 263
05 Jonathan Howson, Leeds 262
06 Adie Mackie, QPR 261

[Stranded]

You're funny.

[Wimb]

Ummmm

Snowball have you actually started seeing things

the page I see

3. Taarabt 285
4. Howson 262
5. Mackie 261

[cmonurz]

In what respect is Shane Long 4th on the Actim list you posted on the previous page?

Just LOOK!


01 Jay Bothroyd, Cardiff 317
02 Ben Turner, Coventry 313
03 Adele Taarabt, QPR 285
04 Shane Long, Reading 263
05 Jonathan Howson, Leeds 262
06 Adie Mackie, QPR 261

Right. So he's not there then, not in the top 100.

Snowball, there's no 'covering my ass'. If you took five seconds to take your head out of your stats you'd know that the Actim index has long been criticised firstly for appearing to favour attacking players, and secondly for failing to reveal methodology in the face of that criticism.

Now are you going to prove that the Actim stats are reliable?

[Wimb]

On urz point, I seem to remember Stephen Hunt remained in the top 10 throughout the season purely on the basis of his first half form in 08/09. The fact he was overlooked for Simon Church in the biggest game of the season should have set alarm bells ringing...

[Wimb]

The silence is deafening as Snowball phones up Actim offering copies of his book 'that' sold 400,000 copies in China' in exchange for slotting Long into 4th in the rankings.

[Snowball]

I have no need whatsoever to defend the Actim Index.

It's officially used by The Championship and that's good enough for me
and slightly better than the HNA system

Forster at his best
I want Doyle's baby
Never be a footballer
Bit like Arnie MacDoo 1928
Gash
Utter Gas
Utter f-cking Gash
Utter f-cking Gash-Gash Mcdermott out

[Snowball]

On urz point, I seem to remember Stephen Hunt remained in the top 10 throughout the season purely on the basis of his first half form in 08/09. The fact he was overlooked for Simon Church in the biggest game of the season should have set alarm bells ringing...

That's the Stephen Hunt who has since played for Hull and Wolves in the Premiership,
the won we got a few million for? That Hunt?

[Snowball]

Snowball, there's no 'covering my ass'. If you took five seconds to take your head out of your stats you'd know that the Actim index has long been criticised firstly for appearing to favour attacking players, and secondly for failing to reveal methodology in the face of that criticism.

Now are you going to prove that the Actim stats are reliable?

You covered the donkey. END

[Wimb]

On urz point, I seem to remember Stephen Hunt remained in the top 10 throughout the season purely on the basis of his first half form in 08/09. The fact he was overlooked for Simon Church in the biggest game of the season should have set alarm bells ringing...

That's the Stephen Hunt who has since played for Hull and Wolves in the Premiership,
the won we got a few million for? That Hunt?

Not disputing he was a good player, it was to dispute the fact that the actim index isn't always accurate

And where is Long rated Snowball? not answered that one yet m9

[cmonurz]

Snowball, there's no 'covering my ass'. If you took five seconds to take your head out of your stats you'd know that the Actim index has long been criticised firstly for appearing to favour attacking players, and secondly for failing to reveal methodology in the face of that criticism.

Now are you going to prove that the Actim stats are reliable?

You covered the donkey. END

No, I didn't.

You're beginning to quite obviously enjoy posting crap just for the responses it gets.

Where is Long in the Actim index?

As you've no reason to question its validity, you won't mind my conclusion that as Long doesn't even feature, then he is quite obviously not pulling his weight, in terms of either his scoring, or the all-round game you believe to be equally represented by Actim.

[Maguire]

Harte is Rubbish, not good enough for the Championship

'greed

[Snowball]

Not disputing he was a good player, it was to dispute the fact that the actim index isn't always accurate

The Actim index WAS accurate and got Hunt right. I said so at the time.

That's why we got a lot of money for him. That's why we paid him so much money.

[Wycombe Royal]

Not disputing he was a good player, it was to dispute the fact that the actim index isn't always accurate

The Actim index WAS accurate and got Hunt right. I said so at the time.

That's why we got a lot of money for him. That's why we paid him so much money.

So now clubs value players based on the Actim index? Long must be worth about £3.52 then.......

[Snowball]

As you've no reason to question its validity, you won't mind my conclusion that as Long doesn't even feature, then he is quite obviously not pulling his weight, in terms of either his scoring, or the all-round game you believe to be equally represented by Actim.

Listen, Paddington.

There are approximately 96 Strikers in the Championship (4 per club).

There are approximately 192 midfielders, 192 defenders, 48 keepers

538 Players. The top 100 represents the top 18% or so

A player can thus be in the top 20% and not be in the Actim Index top 100


QPR have NINE players in the top 100, what about the other 16 who have turned out for them this season?

Cardiff only have 7 players (already there's room for just 84)
Swansea have 7 players, the rest are scrapping for 67 places

Where is RFC's Simon Church, Noel Hunt, Griffin, Pearce, KARACAN, Howard, Tabb?