Squad Watch 2022/23

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Re: Squad Watch 2022/23

by blythspartan » 14 Jul 2022 09:40

Hound Would be ok with Hutchinson, Jeanvier and the Barnsley chap

Then obvs spend a bit more on the LB and maybe sign BOO as well

Would be about ok then I think. Keep a couple of loans for emergencies before the window shuts


I agree with this. It’ll be interesting to know if people think we’ll end up with a better squad this season than we’ve had for a while. I am feeling optimistic again and I haven’t felt like that for quite some time.

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Re: Squad Watch 2022/23

by Hound » 14 Jul 2022 09:41

Better? No. The squad from a few years back with Richards, Olise etc was quality

More fight, better mentality, more aggressive and better tactically? Hopefully

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Re: Squad Watch 2022/23

by YorkshireRoyal99 » 14 Jul 2022 09:54

Yeah forgot about Hutchinson but him alongside Jeanvier would be ideal there, BOO hopefully, another LB (potentially using one of our loans) and then maybe Fulton in midfield or someone else in that role and I think we've got a decent enough squad for the season.

Technical wise the squad might not be better, but in terms of strength in depth and coherent, it might be. That will come down to the manager, coaching staff and the players we've brought in though and making sure we get the best out of the players in a certain system.

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Re: Squad Watch 2022/23

by Franchise FC » 14 Jul 2022 12:04

YorkshireRoyal99 Yeah forgot about Hutchinson but him alongside Jeanvier would be ideal there, BOO hopefully, another LB (potentially using one of our loans) and then maybe Fulton in midfield or someone else in that role and I think we've got a decent enough squad for the season.

Technical wise the squad might not be better, but in terms of strength in depth and coherent, it might be. That will come down to the manager, coaching staff and the players we've brought in though and making sure we get the best out of the players in a certain system.

We could add some real motivational booing with BOO

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Re: Squad Watch 2022/23

by Snowflake Royal » 14 Jul 2022 12:29

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Snowflake Royal Yeah still need two LBs a CM or two and maybe a CB.

Only real departures we can afford are Puscas, Moore and Southwood, plus a small handful of Academy loans out.

The only place we're well stocked on senior players is wide, and several of them cover other positions.


I agree with this but do you think they might still be tempted to bring in another striker i.e. Wickham or the chap from Barnsley that we’ve been linked to?

Hope not. But who knows.


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Re: Squad Watch 2022/23

by Snowflake Royal » 14 Jul 2022 12:30

Hound Would be ok with Hutchinson, Jeanvier and the Barnsley chap

Then obvs spend a bit more on the LB and maybe sign BOO as well

Would be about ok then I think. Keep a couple of loans for emergencies before the window shuts

Hutch looks good.

Jeanvier worries me. Think we're ok on striker.

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Re: Squad Watch 2022/23

by Royal_jimmy » 14 Jul 2022 13:30

If we can offload Puscas and some how get Liam Moore out and bring in another 4 signings who have work ethic and decent characters then I think we'll have an ok squad and one who can survive.

I hope Shackleton is one of those 4 players.

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Re: Squad Watch 2022/23

by Nameless » 14 Jul 2022 13:53

Royal_jimmy If we can offload Puscas and some how get Liam Moore out and bring in another 4 signings who have work ethic and decent characters then I think we'll have an ok squad and one who can survive.

I hope Shackleton is one of those 4 players.


Shackleton won't be coming here.
We won't be able to move Moore.
The squad is already looking ok, and scope to extend the depth (and cover left back).
I think we're looking better than any one expected at the end of last season....

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Re: Squad Watch 2022/23

by YorkshireRoyal99 » 14 Jul 2022 14:25

Maybe we could move Moore out in January, even if it's just a loan with someone paying 50% of his wages, that's still an additional £15k we could use in January potentially as well.

I think our squad is looking decent to be fair, I'm fairly confident that any more signings we bring in will be one's that most of us will get behind and would make sense as well.


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Re: Squad Watch 2022/23

by Sutekh » 14 Jul 2022 15:54

YorkshireRoyal99 Maybe we could move Moore out in January, even if it's just a loan with someone paying 50% of his wages, that's still an additional £15k we could use in January potentially as well.

I think our squad is looking decent to be fair, I'm fairly confident that any more signings we bring in will be one's that most of us will get behind and would make sense as well.


Squad is on its way to looking decent, but need more depth though, esp. at left back, as another season like last with injuries will probably spell the end (and the club already has Moore, Dann and Ormande crocked).

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Re: Squad Watch 2022/23

by Nameless » 14 Jul 2022 16:19

YorkshireRoyal99 Maybe we could move Moore out in January, even if it's just a loan with someone paying 50% of his wages, that's still an additional £15k we could use in January potentially as well.

I think our squad is looking decent to be fair, I'm fairly confident that any more signings we bring in will be one's that most of us will get behind and would make sense as well.



Not sure how many people would pay £15k a week for someone who won't have played any serious amount of football for 18 months and will be declared to have an 'attitude problem' nd unreasonable wage demands....
Come January I'm sure we will come to an arrangement and end his contract by 'mutual consent' but doubt we'll save much money by doing so

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Re: Squad Watch 2022/23

by Hound » 14 Jul 2022 16:53

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YorkshireRoyal99 Maybe we could move Moore out in January, even if it's just a loan with someone paying 50% of his wages, that's still an additional £15k we could use in January potentially as well.

I think our squad is looking decent to be fair, I'm fairly confident that any more signings we bring in will be one's that most of us will get behind and would make sense as well.



Not sure how many people would pay £15k a week for someone who won't have played any serious amount of football for 18 months and will be declared to have an 'attitude problem' nd unreasonable wage demands....
Come January I'm sure we will come to an arrangement and end his contract by 'mutual consent' but doubt we'll save much money by doing so


Yeah that basically. Prob save ourselves about 100k with him leaving in Jan so he can be a free agent and move elsewhere is my guess

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Re: Squad Watch 2022/23

by YorkshireRoyal99 » 14 Jul 2022 16:58

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YorkshireRoyal99 Maybe we could move Moore out in January, even if it's just a loan with someone paying 50% of his wages, that's still an additional £15k we could use in January potentially as well.

I think our squad is looking decent to be fair, I'm fairly confident that any more signings we bring in will be one's that most of us will get behind and would make sense as well.



Not sure how many people would pay £15k a week for someone who won't have played any serious amount of football for 18 months and will be declared to have an 'attitude problem' nd unreasonable wage demands....
Come January I'm sure we will come to an arrangement and end his contract by 'mutual consent' but doubt we'll save much money by doing so


Yeah that basically. Prob save ourselves about 100k with him leaving in Jan so he can be a free agent and move elsewhere is my guess


True - it might be the case, but who knows. Whether we release him or loan him, his wages demands are going to be still be high for most teams at this level, he might go to America though as we were rumoured to have done this summer prior to his injury. The fact remains the sooner we get rid of him the better.


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Re: Squad Watch 2022/23

by blythspartan » 14 Jul 2022 17:21

I guess it might depend on how he interacts with Ince, his coaching staff and the team, which has now changed a lot from last season. If they feel that his presence is a negative one they might just pay him the remainder of contract just to get rid. Whether he stays or goes they have to legally pay him what he’s due unless they can come to an amicable agreement.

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Re: Squad Watch 2022/23

by tidus_mi2 » 14 Jul 2022 17:22

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Not sure how many people would pay £15k a week for someone who won't have played any serious amount of football for 18 months and will be declared to have an 'attitude problem' nd unreasonable wage demands....
Come January I'm sure we will come to an arrangement and end his contract by 'mutual consent' but doubt we'll save much money by doing so


Yeah that basically. Prob save ourselves about 100k with him leaving in Jan so he can be a free agent and move elsewhere is my guess


True - it might be the case, but who knows. Whether we release him or loan him, his wages demands are going to be still be high for most teams at this level, he might go to America though as we were rumoured to have done this summer prior to his injury. The fact remains the sooner we get rid of him the better.

After he's finished milking us for his full contract I'm sure someone will offer him £10k/week.

Of course we are mostly to blame for the current situation with Moore but I don't think he's actively tried to help improve the situation either.

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Re: Squad Watch 2022/23

by Snowflake Royal » 14 Jul 2022 17:53

Squad looks ok ish but thin and with a glaring hole.

There's very little proven quality, mostly the same defence as really struggled last season, an entirely new central midfield and few proven goalscorers in attack.

The proof will be once we start playing of course and how things gel. It could go smoothly. But a couple of key signings who disappoint combined with a couple of important injuries and we could also quickly find ourselves cut adrift.

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Re: Squad Watch 2022/23

by Hound » 14 Jul 2022 18:01

Snowflake Royal Squad looks ok ish but thin and with a glaring hole.

There's very little proven quality, mostly the same defence as really struggled last season, an entirely new central midfield and few proven goalscorers in attack.

The proof will be once we start playing of course and how things gel. It could go smoothly. But a couple of key signings who disappoint combined with a couple of important injuries and we could also quickly find ourselves cut adrift.


Think Yiadom, Holmes, Damn, Hendrick, Meite, Ince, Ejaria, Hoilett, Joao, Long can all claim to be proven quality

However some our at the back end of their careers certainly and age seems to have caught up with Dann already

Defence is a worry but the keeper is hopefully an upgrade and the defence should have far better support in front of it this year with a more sensible system

Meite, Long and Joao all have goals in them and hopefully Ejaria, Hoilett and Ince can chip in to replace Swifts goals from last year

I think we’re ok. Lack of depth is definitely an issue though. Also relying on a lot of late 20s/30s players which maybe isn’t the issue it once was

Still feels very reliant on Joao staying fit to me. That’s my biggest worry

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Re: Squad Watch 2022/23

by Nameless » 14 Jul 2022 18:10

blythspartan I guess it might depend on how he interacts with Ince, his coaching staff and the team, which has now changed a lot from last season. If they feel that his presence is a negative one they might just pay him the remainder of contract just to get rid. Whether he stays or goes they have to legally pay him what he’s due unless they can come to an amicable agreement.


While he is under contract he’ll still be getting medical /physio support from us and insurance cover should he have to pack in.
If we had worked with him last summer things could have been different. That bird has flown unfortunately.

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Re: Squad Watch 2022/23

by Snowflake Royal » 14 Jul 2022 18:15

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Snowflake Royal Squad looks ok ish but thin and with a glaring hole.

There's very little proven quality, mostly the same defence as really struggled last season, an entirely new central midfield and few proven goalscorers in attack.

The proof will be once we start playing of course and how things gel. It could go smoothly. But a couple of key signings who disappoint combined with a couple of important injuries and we could also quickly find ourselves cut adrift.


Think Yiadom, Holmes, Damn, Hendrick, Meite, Ince, Ejaria, Hoilett, Joao, Long can all claim to be proven quality

However some our at the back end of their careers certainly and age seems to have caught up with Dann already

Defence is a worry but the keeper is hopefully an upgrade and the defence should have far better support in front of it this year with a more sensible system

Meite, Long and Joao all have goals in them and hopefully Ejaria, Hoilett and Ince can chip in to replace Swifts goals from last year

I think we’re ok. Lack of depth is definitely an issue though. Also relying on a lot of late 20s/30s players which maybe isn’t the issue it once was

Still feels very reliant on Joao staying fit to me. That’s my biggest worry

Yes, probably not really clear on what I meant by proven quality.

I wouldn’t include any new signing who isn't arriving off a fairly full and successful season. Which we aren't really in a position to get.

Long hasn't played a lot for a while, certainly hasn't scored a lot and at his age, performance can drop off a cliff. I wouldn’t say his ability to contribute to a consistent high standard as a regular starter for us this season is anything like proven.

Similarly, Hendricks is coming off the back of a poor spell at QPR stepping down a division.

Ince certainly had proven quality, but his end product was a little lacking last season. I'd put him on the maybe, but not certain pile. Leaning towards yes, I'll concede.

Holmes was getting pelters most of last season by our own fans. I don't think there's any way you can claim him as proven quality. His performance, and that of the defence wasn’t great.

Yiadom, I'll give you though I wasn't thinking him. He had a quite poor first half of the season, but is generally solidly good.

Dann was proven quality 5 years ago. But with age and a bit part mediocre last season, where he couldn’t even make himself clear first choice. No chance.

Meite - yes, injury recovery permitting

Joao - yes, obviously

Ejaria - you're just on a wind up here because it's me. Consistently hasn’t delivered end product.

Hoilett - good, but very much a bit part player. Won't play enough to count for me, but close.

I don't think there's anything but hope that Long still has substantial minutes and goals in him. Which puts it largely all on Joao and Meite, who should hopefully be reliable.

Ince, Hoilett and Ejaria have little record of substantial goal numbers we can rely on. Meite's missed a lot of football and Joao can have some quite barren patches.

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