A bit worrying

Skyline · by **Skyline** » 13 Nov 2007 10:01

24024 - another appallingly low attendance last night. How anyone can doubt the assertion that demand is dropping when there were 176 seats not taken up is beyond me.

The 17 Bus · by **The 17 Bus** » 13 Nov 2007 10:01

Schards#2
RoyalBlue Unless my ears were deceiving me, in the interview broadcast by BBRB last night, JM said that whilst they now had planning permission for the stadium expansion, he didn't expect that work to take place in his time at the club.

So either he really reckons he's going to find a buyer for the club in the next 1-2 years or the expansion plans are already on hold.

He's not stupid.

As has been said earlier, he doesn't need business advice from posters on here.

Have people been offering business advice?

Schards#2 · by **Schards#2** » 13 Nov 2007 10:13

Behindu
West Stand Man Said it before, and I'll say it again. If anyone seriously believes that JM went into this without a strong business case being put forward by his CE (Nigel Howe) they are wrong. There is no doubt that the options have been well considered. Strangely they probably didn't look at HNA to see if the fans agreed with the well thought through business case!

Agreed, they need business advice from here about as much as they need football advice !

Apparently so.

Schards#2 · by **Schards#2** » 13 Nov 2007 10:19

Skyline 24024 - another appallingly low attendance last night. How anyone can doubt the assertion that demand is dropping when there were 176 seats not taken up is beyond me.

Damn right, a sell out against Arsenal is all the proof I need that we'll be selling 30,000 week in week in the Championship.

LOL @ Skyline, thank god the chairman's got his head screwed on.

Skyline · by **Skyline** » 13 Nov 2007 11:53

You can LOL all you like, but five out of seven league games so far this season have been near-as-makes-no-difference home-stand sellouts. The only ones that haven't have been Everton and Wigan, and even they had 94% of the home stands filled.

I'm sure the chairman is loving those figures - they're certainly not going to be any kind of disincentive for anyone who wants to come in and take over the club, which is what he seems to be seriously looking at now.

Schards#2 · by **Schards#2** » 13 Nov 2007 12:03

Skyline You can LOL all you like, but five out of seven league games so far this season have been near-as-makes-no-difference home-stand sellouts. The only ones that haven't have been Everton and Wigan, and even they had 94% of the home stands filled.

I'm sure the chairman is loving those figures - they're certainly not going to be any kind of disincentive for anyone who wants to come in and take over the club, which is what he seems to be seriously looking at now.

I will, LOL @ anyone who thinks the home game against Arsenal should be used as some sort of benchmark.

zac naloen · by **zac naloen** » 13 Nov 2007 12:35

Schards#2
Skyline You can LOL all you like, but five out of seven league games so far this season have been near-as-makes-no-difference home-stand sellouts. The only ones that haven't have been Everton and Wigan, and even they had 94% of the home stands filled.

I'm sure the chairman is loving those figures - they're certainly not going to be any kind of disincentive for anyone who wants to come in and take over the club, which is what he seems to be seriously looking at now.

I will, LOL @ anyone who thinks the home game against Arsenal should be used as some sort of benchmark.

Weird, I thought we sold out against Newcastle and West Ham as well.

Behindu · by **Behindu** » 13 Nov 2007 12:38

Schards#2
Damn right, a sell out against Arsenal is all the proof I need that we'll be selling 30,000 week in week in the Championship.

Once more Schards demonstrates a lack of understanding of the expansion debate.....

Skyline · by **Skyline** » 13 Nov 2007 12:43

Schards#2
Skyline You can LOL all you like, but five out of seven league games so far this season have been near-as-makes-no-difference home-stand sellouts. The only ones that haven't have been Everton and Wigan, and even they had 94% of the home stands filled.

I'm sure the chairman is loving those figures - they're certainly not going to be any kind of disincentive for anyone who wants to come in and take over the club, which is what he seems to be seriously looking at now.

I will, LOL @ anyone who thinks the home game against Arsenal should be used as some sort of benchmark.

That's why I didn't. I've highlighted the relevant part of my messages, so you don't miss it this time.

To repeat the stats I posted earlier in the thread, these are the home stand figures and percentages for the first five league games of the season:

Chelsea - 21818 (99.4%)
Everton - 20643 (94.1%)
West Ham - 21284 (97.0%)
Wigan - 20808 (94.8%)
Derby - 21765 (99.2%)

I don't have the numbers for the Newcastle and Arsenal games to hand, but lets assume that all the empty seats at both games were in the home stands. This gives the following numbers for these games:

Newcastle - 21859 (99.6%)
Arsenal - 21764 (99.2%)

RoyalBlue · by **RoyalBlue** » 13 Nov 2007 13:42

Skyline 24024 - another appallingly low attendance last night. How anyone can doubt the assertion that demand is dropping when there were 176 seats not taken up is beyond me.

OK, admittedly I was getting to the fringes of the BBRB transmission area when they broadcast the interview with JM but I'm sure I heard him refer to our current capacity as being 24,700.

When each seat brings such a good level of income I'm surprised if he got that one wrong!

Behindu · by **Behindu** » 13 Nov 2007 13:47

RoyalBlue I'm sure I heard him refer to our current capacity as being 24,700.

When each seat brings such a good level of income I'm surprised if he got that one wrong!

Capacity currently is 24,154

I don't think it has ever been 24,700. Most records give it as 24,000 and is has varied a little with changes to segregation, but not by much

Skyline · by **Skyline** » 13 Nov 2007 13:48

According to this page on the official site, the capacity is actually 24161. The figure that is normally used (and that I used in my calcs) is 24200.

Interestingly that page also lists the 'normal away allocation' as 2327, which is 67 higher than the figure of 2260 that Andy West gave me and that I've been using for my calculations above.

Royal Lady · by **Royal Lady** » 13 Nov 2007 13:51

Skyline According to this page on the official site, the capacity is actually 24161. The figure that is normally used (and that I used in my calcs) is 24200.

Interestingly that page also lists the 'normal away allocation' as 2327, which is 67 higher than the figure of 2260 that Andy West gave me and that I've been using for my calculations above.

LOL How sad!

Behindu · by **Behindu** » 13 Nov 2007 13:53

The capacity is the figure I quoted. I won't go into details of why - but believe me that is the number !!

The away capacity is 2320

In my previous post I had meant to say the 'usual' figure is 24,200 but mistyped. So we agree on that one !!

STAR Liaison · by **STAR Liaison** » 13 Nov 2007 15:59

RoyalBlue
OK, admittedly I was getting to the fringes of the BBRB transmission area when they broadcast the interview with JM but I'm sure I heard him refer to our current capacity as being 24,700.

When each seat brings such a good level of income I'm surprised if he got that one wrong!

Prepare to be surprised then.

I have a copy of the plans for the stadium as built (for planning the raise the hoops) and can confirm that before the seats were taken out/moved for the changes in segregation that the capacity was 24244

North 4833
East 7126
South 4833
West lower 2994
West boxes 280
West Lounges 340
West Restaurant 48
West Upper 2178
West VP + clubs 248
Directors 61
Press 60
Wheeelchair 132

add to that if you will trainers 20!

So when using a capacity calculation you also need to remember that the wheelchair spaces are not available for others to use!

I suspect the Behindu has access to accurate figures then somehow.

HTH

The 17 Bus · by **The 17 Bus** » 13 Nov 2007 16:12

I wish that Behindu was behindme, then I could be up front

Behindu · by **Behindu** » 13 Nov 2007 17:13

starliaison I suspect the Behindu has access to accurate figures then somehow.

HTH

I'll try and breakdown the numbers but I'm fairly sure the wheelchair capacity is now lower (no wheelchair space in the SW corner) and the press figures higher (although I'm not sure they should be included in the capacity should they ?)

Dirk Gently · by **Dirk Gently** » 13 Nov 2007 17:15

And lose about 50 or so seats yesterday for the Setanta commentary box, next to the scoreboard.

RoyalBlue · by **RoyalBlue** » 13 Nov 2007 18:34

I hope JM doesn't get a nasty surprise reading this - suddenly finding out potential income is a fair bit lower than he thought!

A bit worrying

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