VAR

[Sanguine]

Has to be better than the likes of Kavanagh last night, if they didn't have a camera on him I'd have thought he'd popped out for a smoke

If anything it feels like decisions are getting slower. I was watching thinking 'are you gonna draw the lines or not?'

[katweslowski]

Has to be better than the likes of Kavanagh last night, if they didn't have a camera on him I'd have thought he'd popped out for a smoke

If anything it feels like decisions are getting slower. I was watching thinking 'are you gonna draw the lines or not?'

Same

I can't emphasise how much I hate VAR. This continual drive and desire to try to reduce the game to such technicalities is ridiculous. Almost every VAR decision is met with so many disagreeing. It's a passion killer.

Can anyone say it's actually improved the game?

Almost every goal is met with a "Ohhhh, and it's gone to a VAR decision". BORING.

[Winston Biscuit]

VAR might be the worst thing to ever happen to football

[BRO_BOT]

VAR might be the worst thing to ever happen to football

I don't celebrate goals because you have to wait for VAR...get rid

[Sutekh]

Has to be better than the likes of Kavanagh last night, if they didn't have a camera on him I'd have thought he'd popped out for a smoke

If anything it feels like decisions are getting slower. I was watching thinking 'are you gonna draw the lines or not?'

Same

I can't emphasise how much I hate VAR. This continual drive and desire to try to reduce the game to such technicalities is ridiculous. Almost every VAR decision is met with so many disagreeing. It's a passion killer.

Can anyone say it's actually improved the game?

Almost every goal is met with a "Ohhhh, and it's gone to a VAR decision". BORING.

Agreed. Get rid of VAR, the game itself should be what it always was, a passionate “in the moment” affair not this delayed piddling about and then still getting it wrong, as they have done on several occasions. Don’t care if officials make a wrong decision, they’re human like everyone else, it’s just part and parcel of the game so deal with it.

[Pepe the Horseman]

VAR might be the worst thing to ever happen to football

I don't celebrate goals because you have to wait for VAR...get rid

No, you don't celebrate goals because you're a Man Utd fan

[BRO_BOT]

VAR might be the worst thing to ever happen to football

I don't celebrate goals because you have to wait for VAR...get rid

No, you don't celebrate goals because you're a Man Utd fan

[katweslowski]

Agreed. Get rid of VAR, the game itself should be what it always was, a passionate “in the moment” affair not this delayed piddling about and then still getting it wrong, as they have done on several occasions. Don’t care if officials make a wrong decision, they’re human like everyone else, it’s just part and parcel of the game so deal with it.

I said very similar a while back. What is funny too, is that going back to pre-VAR days, we had days and days after of anaylsis showing why the ref was wrong, but others disagreeing with the points. It was endless and annoying.

Now we have VAR, and we have a long delay, video review, decision..... and then the same days and days after of the same debates.

[genome]

I called all this back on Page 1 and 2 in 2018 btw

[Winston Biscuit]

I called all this back on Page 1 and 2 in 2018 btw

also hated VAR from its inception. gave it about 1 page on here trying to be fair and wait and see, before I capitulated on page 2

[Hendo]

VAR should be used for black and white decisions only, not something that can be as subjective as 'contact' or 'intent' in deciding a penalty or foul. Was it a goal - yes or no. Offside - yes or no. Inside the box - yes or no.

It works well in NFL and cricket because it is used for clear cut decisions only.

Oh how naive I was.

[katweslowski]

The question here though is:

Are we now stuck with VAR for the next 10 years, or will there be an industry-wide agreement to just stop using it?

I think we're stuck pretty much forever with it. There's been investment, and each season they "improve" it, so unfortunately, I think we're going to continue suffering with subdued and lengthy goal reactions as it goes to VAR, and tedious forensic analysis of every blade of grass to determine if someone's toenail is offside and therefore, rules out an amazing goal in the 97th minute.

[Winston Biscuit]

I think we are stuck with it sadly. It was brought in to suit the money men at the top of the game and I think it works for them.

also just image if they scrapped it now. We now have the tech to see if the ref is right or not, Sky Sports would have a show dedicated to Carragher & Neville showing a goal in slow motion from 9 different angles with lines drawn all over it, and once they can prove it was 1cm offside they would hyperventilate over it and claim it a disgrace

[Sanguine]

VAR is going nowhere and nor should it. Authorities should continue to refine how it is used.

If it was binned for penalty calls and the like it would take less than one gameweek for a referee to make a decision that would clearly be overturned by VAR, and for fans to realise that for all its faults, it was a huge enhancement on the game. For a start - it has near eliminated simulation in the box, and defensive techniques have changed too - no more legs dangling or diving in.

For all its controversy, 90% of the impact of VAR has been positive.

[Winston Biscuit]

For all its controversy, 90% of the impact of VAR has been positive.

surely 'positive' is highly subjective here?!

[Sanguine]

For all its controversy, 90% of the impact of VAR has been positive.

surely thats a highly subjective %

can you clarify what Positive means is in this result?

- Correctly introduces technology into the game. Digital technology is (correctly) used in all mainstream sport, football should not be an exception.
- Has introduced the ability to amend poor decision-making. PGMOL's stats show that 'correct decisions' have increased a few percentage points.
- Has reduced some of the cynicism in the game. As above, simulation has become almost a thing of the past. When it happens now, players just look a bit silly.
- Has improved defending. Again as above, less diving in in the box, less shirt-pulling. Players will stand off attackers a little now. Ironically this sometimes makes it harder to score, teams focused on being in position, formation.
- (Some) transparency. Improvement to be had here, and a lot of it. But the more that mistakes are highlighted, and the more PGMOL can be convinced to talk about them, the more accountable referees are to clubs and fans.
- Like goal-line tech, semi-automated offside (and this will become fully automated in time) eliminates unnecessary subjectivity in decision-making.

All of that imho far outweighs 'it takes too long', 'i looked like a willy cos I celebrated and it was disallowed' and that there still some errors.

[Winston Biscuit]

I disagree with too much in there to go through tbh

[Snowflake Royal]

VAR is going nowhere and nor should it. Authorities should continue to refine how it is used.

If it was binned for penalty calls and the like it would take less than one gameweek for a referee to make a decision that would clearly be overturned by VAR, and for fans to realise that for all its faults, it was a huge enhancement on the game. For a start - it has near eliminated simulation in the box, and defensive techniques have changed too - no more legs dangling or diving in.

For all its controversy, 90% of the impact of VAR has been positive.

This. Entire careers have been forged of refereeing controversy, presenters and pundits lose their jobs if they don’t generate faux controversy. Half of which is drive because football is riddled with partisan idiots who don’t know the laws.

[Snowflake Royal]

For all its controversy, 90% of the impact of VAR has been positive.

surely thats a highly subjective %

can you clarify what Positive means is in this result?

- Correctly introduces technology into the game. Digital technology is (correctly) used in all mainstream sport, football should not be an exception.
- Has introduced the ability to amend poor decision-making. PGMOL's stats show that 'correct decisions' have increased a few percentage points.
- Has reduced some of the cynicism in the game. As above, simulation has become almost a thing of the past. When it happens now, players just look a bit silly.
- Has improved defending. Again as above, less diving in in the box, less shirt-pulling. Players will stand off attackers a little now. Ironically this sometimes makes it harder to score, teams focused on being in position, formation.
- (Some) transparency. Improvement to be had here, and a lot of it. But the more that mistakes are highlighted, and the more PGMOL can be convinced to talk about them, the more accountable referees are to clubs and fans.
- Like goal-line tech, semi-automated offside (and this will become fully automated in time) eliminates unnecessary subjectivity in decision-making.

All of that imho far outweighs 'it takes too long', 'i looked like a willy cos I celebrated and it was disallowed' and that there still some errors.

It amazes me, that on a forum for fans of a L1 club without VAR who have had scores of penalties, offsides and fouls for and against them without VAR, that VAR would have corrected, are so anti it.


As for can't celebrate goals... only if your celebration is purely performative. Live in the moment, celebrate the goal. The way you would when linos or ref's disallowed them with no VAR. and with VAR you get to celebrate goal that stand twice and you get to celebrate goals against you that are overruled.

Are there fewer goals under VAR? I doubt it.

[Sanguine]

I disagree with too much in there to go through tbh

Don't then.