Capello Out

[Dare to Dr£am]

The next manager will be another poor appointement from the most useless domestic governing body in the world. I really don't give a shit about England anymore.

Sven's record was decent, we just didn't get the rub of the green in the finals. Capello's appointment has been a good one thus far.

Just who in your eyes would be good enough for England and why?

[FiNeRaIn]

Mourinho. He can take a bunch of average players with mediocre technical ability and have them produce, he creates a siege mentality using " everyone hates us we are hard done by" and gets the players playing for each other using this. The players play for him, he is successful and knows the England game as well as anyone. Love him or hate him, he is by FAR the best option. Whether he is interested or not is another matter.

The FA are utter cretins. I cannot realistically write the utter hatred of their incompetence I hold. Why are they not a democracy? Football is too big and too important now to have a dictatorship in charge - add to that one that makes continuous mess-ups and makes us look stupid. How they can march in...disregard the court and undermine the manager and make a footballing decision like this is laughable. I despise terry - he is a nasty piece of work and I have no support for him, but this takes the piss. Not only that, the fact we now have a scenario where a manager knows he's leaving end of his contract, so do the players and so do the fans. What's the point of capello being there now when we can't look to the future? Football is by far the most popular sport in the world and the EPL is the most famous and watched league. Funnily, FIFA and the FA both in charge of products that powerful are so piss poor awful its beyond comprehension. Its a big circus.

[Big Foot]

Mourinho. He can take a bunch of average players with mediocre technical ability and have them produce, he creates a siege mentality using " everyone hates us we are hard done by" and gets the players playing for each other using this. The players play for him, he is successful and knows the England game as well as anyone. Love him or hate him, he is by FAR the best option. Whether he is interested or not is another matter.

^This

[Big Foot]

This.

Isn't his contract up just after the Euros or something? Far better to get someone in way before, to start working with the team and bringing in new blood, rather than hanging on to the oldies for the sake of it. IMO.

Absolutely

You're gonna look very foolish when we win the Euros now.

Genuine LOL

[Hoop Blah]

Mourinho. He can take a bunch of average players with mediocre technical ability and have them produce, he creates a siege mentality using " everyone hates us we are hard done by" and gets the players playing for each other using this. The players play for him, he is successful and knows the England game as well as anyone. Love him or hate him, he is by FAR the best option. Whether he is interested or not is another matter.

^This

I think he'd probably be a good appointment (there are reasons why he might not of course), but, I don't think you can hold not appointing him against the FA when they've not had a chance to do so.

Didn't he once say he wasn't interested in managing England as the only national team he'd consider would be Portugal?

Edit: They had him in the bag post-McClaren but he had a change of heart (according to him that is)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011 ... nager-2007

[TBM]

Tell Mourinho he can have the job until Sir Alex retires then they will allow him to manage Utd - which, tbh, is what he ultimately wants

[Hoop Blah]

The FA are utter cretins. I cannot realistically write the utter hatred of their incompetence I hold. Why are they not a democracy? Football is too big and too important now to have a dictatorship in charge - add to that one that makes continuous mess-ups and makes us look stupid.

How many successful organisations or governing bodies are run as democracies?

They have had problems with the people that have been appointed not being able to do their jobs effectively (largely because of the power that the clubs/Premier League have amassed) but I'm interested to hear what you think they've done so badly and how you'd have approached things differently under your democratic model.

How they can march in...disregard the court and undermine the manager and make a footballing decision like this is laughable. I despise terry - he is a nasty piece of work and I have no support for him, but this takes the piss.

They haven't disregarded any court they've made a decision on the suitability of a player under a serious charge to be the figure head of their ost senior rep team and, as a result, the country. I don't see the problem here. It's one of the few decisive shows of authority they've made in standing up to the power of the indulged 'superstar players' and their Premier League paymasters.

As for undermining the manager, he's done that himself with his handling of the captaincy in the past. The way this has come out may well have further damaged his standing but personally I think that's just as much his own fault as it is the FAs and I think it's good that they've shown they're capable of taking such action independantly.

Not only that, the fact we now have a scenario where a manager knows he's leaving end of his contract, so do the players and so do the fans. What's the point of capello being there now when we can't look to the future?

I'm not a major fan of the situation (and I'd have shipped him out a while ago to be honest) but it's no different to when Bobby Robson went to Italia '90 knowing he was on his way out and almost got to the final.

Pretty sure everyone knew that Venables was leaving after Euro 96 as well, and (for how badly it can go) of course it was announced that McClaren would be replacing Sven after the World Cup in 2006.

[Big Foot]

Mourinho. He can take a bunch of average players with mediocre technical ability and have them produce, he creates a siege mentality using " everyone hates us we are hard done by" and gets the players playing for each other using this. The players play for him, he is successful and knows the England game as well as anyone. Love him or hate him, he is by FAR the best option. Whether he is interested or not is another matter.

^This

I think he'd probably be a good appointment (there are reasons why he might not of course), but, I don't think you can hold not appointing him against the FA when they've not had a chance to do so.

Didn't he once say he wasn't interested in managing England as the only national team he'd consider would be Portugal?

....which is why I deleted the rest of Finerain's post as don't quite have the same level of frustration with the FA as he does. I do recall that quote from Mourinho but also think there was a quote when he was at Chelsea saying he'd relish being England manager. Not sure.

The other person whom I'd like to see given a shot is Wenger - if he could "do an Arsenal" on England and get all their players (at all levels) buying into a particular style of football then I think it'd stand us in good stead - ala Klinsmann & Lowe's work for Germany

[TBM]

The other person whom I'd like to see given a shot is Wenger - if he could "do an Arsenal" on England and get all their players (at all levels) buying into a particular style of football then I think it'd stand us in good stead - ala Klinsmann & Lowe's work for Germany

BBC reckon Wenger could be French boss after the Euro's

[ZacNaloen]

The other person whom I'd like to see given a shot is Wenger - if he could "do an Arsenal" on England and get all their players (at all levels) buying into a particular style of football then I think it'd stand us in good stead - ala Klinsmann & Lowe's work for Germany

In a way Wenger has already partly done this. If he can do it from the top down though that would be interesting.

He's already partly responsible for bringing the english game up technically, he brought sports science here if you believe the media and got the Arsenal academy producing certain types of players which other clubs now want to emulate.


It's taken a long time but I'd suggest we are starting to see the fruits of that as the technical calibre of English players is steadily creeping upwards. It's a slow process though, just because of how long it takes to produce a footballer and how many "good enough" players you get each year.

[Terminal Boardom]

It's all very well putting forward names like Mourinho and Wenger but does anyone realistically believe they would be successful? International management is a totally different ball game to club management. With players only a few days a month? How would Mourinho be able to build such a siege mentality? Wenger would have precious little time to impose his footballing philosophy on a squad.

Just how many English players are there who could walk into any of the top club sides in Europe? Our style of football is stone age compared with Barcelona's.

One thing puzzles me with Capello. He has voiced his concern of the manner in which the FA applied pressure on removing Terry as Captain even though the court case will not be heard until after Euro 2012. I don't recall much noise from him when Terry was stripped of the captaincy when news that he shagged Wayne Bridge's ex - YES... EX! Talk about double standards

Perhaps Capello realises that the Euro 2012 campaign will be a disaster and he is looking for an out already. The travelling the team will have to do is bonkers. No back up plan from the FA on that one was there! As for his replacement, I think that there is only one clear cut option. Appoint the scribes of Fleet Street / Wapping / wherever and have them select the squads and teams. After all, they know everything.

[Hoop Blah]

....which is why I deleted the rest of Finerain's post as don't quite have the same level of frustration with the FA as he does. I do recall that quote from Mourinho but also think there was a quote when he was at Chelsea saying he'd relish being England manager. Not sure.

The other person whom I'd like to see given a shot is Wenger - if he could "do an Arsenal" on England and get all their players (at all levels) buying into a particular style of football then I think it'd stand us in good stead - ala Klinsmann & Lowe's work for Germany

The question was more for him than you I think, but see my link in the edit on my post for how close the FA came to getting him.

Wenger would be a good one I'm sure. I think the FA would love to see him get involved and input on the whole style and the youth development side as well (something which Martin O'Neil - one of my favourites - didn't want to be dragged into when he interviewed a few years back).

As he gets older Wenger may feel he becomes more interested in national team management, especially as he won't be able to spend any money doing it.

[ZacNaloen]

It's a shame the FA is a toothless organisation, because I'd like to see his philosophies enforced there. But he could never get anything done.

[Terminal Boardom]

....which is why I deleted the rest of Finerain's post as don't quite have the same level of frustration with the FA as he does. I do recall that quote from Mourinho but also think there was a quote when he was at Chelsea saying he'd relish being England manager. Not sure.

The other person whom I'd like to see given a shot is Wenger - if he could "do an Arsenal" on England and get all their players (at all levels) buying into a particular style of football then I think it'd stand us in good stead - ala Klinsmann & Lowe's work for Germany

The question was more for him than you I think, but see my link in the edit on my post for how close the FA came to getting him.

Wenger would be a good one I'm sure. I think the FA would love to see him get involved and input on the whole style and the youth development side as well (something which Martin O'Neil - one of my favourites - didn't want to be dragged into when he interviewed a few years back).

As he gets older Wenger may feel he becomes more interested in national team management, especially as he won't be able to spend any money doing it.

Sorry but I can't see the FA going for that. It's shades of when Clough was touted for the job back in the 1970s. It would cause too much upheaval and the "Old Boy Network" would go into a fit of apoplexy. Look at the oxf*rd up of the National Football Academy or whatever it is called. Look at the oxf*rd up that was the demolition and rebuilding of Wembley Stadium. The FA is resistant to change. Always has been and it always will be. And while Sky continue to spew billions into the FA coffers, long will this continue.

It is not in the FA's interests to have a successful national team. It IS in their interests for the Premier League to be the most marketable league on the planet.

[soggy biscuit]

Just heard an Italian journast on the radio saying the English press have basically misinterpreted him & made stuff up. He did say that he believes in innocent until proven guilty etc but basically said that these decisions are not up to him. Never mentioned anything about him still being his captain as had been reported here

[Hoop Blah]

It was certainly one of the things they wanted from the Manager a few years back, to be a driving force behind the coaching and youth development improvements that were all part of the plan for the National Centre.

I'm sure it was reported at the time (admittedly those reports might've been wrong) that one of the reasons he failed was O'Neil wanted to concentrate on getting the first team right and not get involved in the rest.

Not sure why you think it's not in the interest of the FA to have a successful national team though.

Think of the kudos, money and opportunities that would come their way if we won a tournament!

[Barry the bird boggler]

Just heard an Italian journast on the radio saying the English press have basically misinterpreted him & made stuff up.

What? The English press make a story out of nothing and mis-interpret facts, surely not ....

[Terminal Boardom]

It was certainly one of the things they wanted from the Manager a few years back, to be a driving force behind the coaching and youth development improvements that were all part of the plan for the National Centre.

I'm sure it was reported at the time (admittedly those reports might've been wrong) that one of the reasons he failed was O'Neil wanted to concentrate on getting the first team right and not get involved in the rest.

Not sure why you think it's not in the interest of the FA to have a successful national team though.

Think of the kudos, money and opportunities that would come their way if we won a tournament!

Because the money the FA makes out of the PL is light years ahead of what a successful national team could generate.

[Barry the bird boggler]

It was certainly one of the things they wanted from the Manager a few years back, to be a driving force behind the coaching and youth development improvements that were all part of the plan for the National Centre.

I'm sure it was reported at the time (admittedly those reports might've been wrong) that one of the reasons he failed was O'Neil wanted to concentrate on getting the first team right and not get involved in the rest.

Not sure why you think it's not in the interest of the FA to have a successful national team though.

Think of the kudos, money and opportunities that would come their way if we won a tournament!

Because the money the FA makes out of the PL is light years ahead of what a successful national team could generate.

Next you'll be saying that the PL runs the FA and probably that Sky runs the PL

[Hoop Blah]

It was certainly one of the things they wanted from the Manager a few years back, to be a driving force behind the coaching and youth development improvements that were all part of the plan for the National Centre.

I'm sure it was reported at the time (admittedly those reports might've been wrong) that one of the reasons he failed was O'Neil wanted to concentrate on getting the first team right and not get involved in the rest.

Not sure why you think it's not in the interest of the FA to have a successful national team though.

Think of the kudos, money and opportunities that would come their way if we won a tournament!

Because the money the FA makes out of the PL is light years ahead of what a successful national team could generate.

Why are they mutually exclusive?

If, for instance, the ref had rightly awarded Lampards goal against Germany and after beating them we suddenly got a load of confidence and gelled as a team, then gone on an unlikely run to win the World Cup, how would that have diminsihed the Premier Leagues brand?

How would having a different manager implementing a new coaching culture to an already existing structure damage the revenue streams of the Premier League?