FIFA

[ZacNaloen]

Super Kevin bremner has summed up my views far better than I have been able to express.
Presumably you will now get abuse from the likes of Kitson, silver Fox ,the (dreadful) Ian and zac who never read anything in full before they post and quite frankly are all a bit thick .

FIFA direct money to FA's.

FA's direct money to grassroots etc/raise their own money.

If money is going into pockets of individuals rather than to actually supporting the activities of the FA's OF COURSE a complete reorganisation of the structure of FIFA so it's transparent, fair and actually about football and not greed is a good thing. And of course you should care about it. And you should care that the man ultimately responsible for the corrupt mess FIFA is is gone.

The funds provided by these sponsors, and by the public going to watch games, and by the hundreds of volunteers across the world can actually go where people think it should be going in a clean FIFA.

Instead of thinking about your little domain it's actually quite important to take in the big picture sometimes and see that FIFA as an organisation was supposed to trickle down the money to make the individual at the bottom of the pyramids life a little easier. The corruption in the system put a dam in that process. That dam needs to taken down and the only way that can happen is with everyone tainted by the old system at FIFA to be removed from the metaphorical river.

That all presupposes of course that there is enough will to get this done.

From the sounds of things, if you and SuperKev are anything to go by, that enthusiasm doesn't spread to everyone. Which is a shame, hopefully there are too few of you misanthropes have an impact on whats needs to happen.

[Royal Rother]

Can you make that sound a bit thicker please?

[ZacNaloen]

Plenty of punctuation and spelling errors in there if you want to be picky

[BR2]

RR may choose to be picky just like his old mate Spacecruiser but I'll let it go because you express the idea well even if the punctuation and general grammar is around B- but symbolic of those not long out of the education system.
Please keep me in the loop and tell me Zac when FIFA, our own FA, the IOC., EUFA,Barclays Bank LIBOR traders et al are totally transparent , honest and accountable-I won't hold my breath that it happens in my lifetime but it just could in yours.
It would be a start if Reading FC were squeeky clean.

[No Fixed Abode]

I do however object to the FA wasting money on 150 year pin badges and other paraphernalia. The money spent on that could have run a few kids teams for the year.

Also - when players/managers have disciplinary hearings with the FA, couldn't it be done over Skype? - and the travel costs involved be ploughed back into the game at grass roots level? (One of many examples of wasted money).

[Silver Fox]

LOLz Kes, is there anything you won't get confused by?

[Royalclapper]

You'd have to wonder whether FIFA actually had many discussions about football itself.

Blatter's continuing and unrelenting pursuit of banana republic dictator status must have had other FIFA staff wondering whether they were actually working for a Global Sports Administrator or the Khmer Rouge.

Papa Doc - Idi Amin are his true idols, forget about anyone with anything to do with football as a game. Funny how these sad old fukk blokes with fading faculties but high level influence can't end up dignified instead of trying to fulfill some sad deluded ego-fueled fantasy.

[Ian Royal]

My rant on the matter is this. As a kids football manager it's really disappointing that to buy a team set of Adidas shirts we have to scrape around for sponsors, collect subs from parents etc to raise £400-500, when a Premier League club gets paid £100m for the same privilege. Will that change (or for that matter will anything else promoting British grass roots football) change now the allegedly corrupt head of FIFA has resigned? Will it f@ck. And for that reason I couldn't give less of a sh1t about the whole debacle, or who gets the World Cup. As long as it's played somewhere in the World, it counts doesn't it? People are doing my nut in saying they feel brilliant now Blatter's gone. Real people doing real football on your own doorstep know full well FIFA means nothing to what we get up and do every Sunday morning, so get off your f@cking high horses.

Ps I heard an argument that FIFA should be leaving legacies in these countries hosting the World Cups. Apparently football is really important to boosting 3rd world economies etc.

In any successful ecological society, football, or any loved sport for that matter, should only ever be the cherry on top of the cake, and not the sugar, flour and eggs. It's politicians and governments that should be acting to leave legacies where children have role models and a safe environment to live, play and develop in. Not football associations.

Football is just cabaret, a game that people have to keep them happy in their spare time, but the whole thing is an ugly entity as an industry because the rich just f@cking dominate everything all the time.

I'd argue whilst the issues you complain about are thoroughly valid, the conclusions you reach aren't.

If World Football's governing body cleans up its act then there's more chance of football's huge wealth inequality being redistributed. Your issue shouldn't be with Man Utd getting paid hundreds of thousands to Addidas kits whilst you have to pay hundreds for them. It should be that the wealth at the top of the game is redistributed to the bottom. And thats only going to come with strong and ethical representation at the top.

The answer would be to force club's to redistribute wealth around the leagues more, rather than just to owners and players and play a bigger role in the community. Local professional clubs sponsoring local teams and working with them on kit deals etc. More money flowing directly into the governing body to be used for grants for community youth clubs and so on.

You can't fix all the problems at the bottom when the top is totally corrupt. Unfortunately, fixing everything is a very complicated process which even if done right will take a long time. And there's going to be plenty of stumbles along the way.

[Ian Royal]

Super Kevin bremner has summed up my views far better than I have been able to express.
Presumably you will now get abuse from the likes of Kitson, silver Fox ,the (dreadful) Ian and zac who never read anything in full before they post and quite frankly are all a bit thick .

Not likely, seeing as he's not being a horrendous old kunt.

[No Fixed Abode]

LOLz Kes, is there anything you won't get confused by?

Eh? I think it's all that American food you've eaten. that you're the one confused.

I'm just pointing out how much wastage in terms of money happens in the game...

[Victor Meldrew]

Every day construction is allowed to continue in Qatar more people die, that farce needs to be put to a stop as soon as possible and the vote re-run .

It's too late for the Russian world cup. Realistically only 2 countries could host it at short notice. Germany and England.

So what about the poor buggers that have lost their lives?
If the work stops their deaths will have been in vain.
Anyway with our new found ultra-clean and caring FIFA surely they will be able to afford to send some health and safety guys over there to make sure that these dreadful accidents come to an end.

Hang on, because some people who've been used as slaves died as a result of being used as slaves in terrible conditions, we should go ahead with a world cup set up under corrupt conditions and built with slave labour and blood so their deaths had meaning?!?

That is an utterly abhorrent view. You disgust me. And that's the exceptionally restrained and polite way of saying it. You should hang your head in shame.

This and the later post from our radio-listening RFC correspondent up there in the water company or wherever he still works proves to me yet again what an obnoxious creature you are.
I used to think that people on here were rather hard on you and dismissive of what you post but these last two have shown how impolite and unnecessarily aggressive (eat your heart out Spacey) you are.
I appreciate you are probably a Billy-no-mates loner and that is why you act as you do on a football website but you are not the sort of person that I wish to discuss things with so rather than deprive you of what clearly gives you kicks and report you for abuse I will bow out and leave you to your own tawdry devices.

Hob-Nob used to be fun but, with people like you and others that put forward nothing to discussions such as the fox with his (in his own head) cryptic one or two liners and some who don't read posts but jump in with views on what they thought was posted rather than taking in what was actually posted, it has become dull and ridiculously over-aggressive in tone.

I came on to Hob -Nob about 15 years ago because I occasionally got information from the club which I thought might be of interest to fellow fans and worth sharing but nobody now seems to know anything or hear anything of interest and the level of debate has dropped to an all-time low.
People used to debate vigorously and at times abusively but seemingly without malice however now not only has it become dull but it is too often malicious and as one who is far from easily offended I find it now uninformative and don't really wish to share my views to a group (with a few exceptions) have nothing to say.

[Kitsondinho]

Super Kevin bremner has summed up my views far better than I have been able to express.
Presumably you will now get abuse from the likes of Kitson, silver Fox ,the (dreadful) Ian and zac who never read anything in full before they post and quite frankly are all a bit thick .

Ahhh fanks, you have made my day!!

[AthleticoSpizz]

Bloody well said Vic

[Ian Royal]

I'm actually a little hurt by that Spizz, I like and generally respect you.

Hi-ho.

[AthleticoSpizz]

nothing personal....of course

Just the general "ambience" these days

[Kitsondinho]

This and the later post from our radio-listening RFC correspondent up there in the water company or wherever he still works proves to me yet again what an obnoxious creature you are.
I used to think that people on here were rather hard on you and dismissive of what you post but these last two have shown how impolite and unnecessarily aggressive (eat your heart out Spacey) you are.
I appreciate you are probably a Billy-no-mates loner and that is why you act as you do on a football website but you are not the sort of person that I wish to discuss things with so rather than deprive you of what clearly gives you kicks and report you for abuse I will bow out and leave you to your own tawdry devices.

Hob-Nob used to be fun but, with people like you and others that put forward nothing to discussions such as the fox with his (in his own head) cryptic one or two liners and some who don't read posts but jump in with views on what they thought was posted rather than taking in what was actually posted, it has become dull and ridiculously over-aggressive in tone.

I came on to Hob -Nob about 15 years ago because I occasionally got information from the club which I thought might be of interest to fellow fans and worth sharing but nobody now seems to know anything or hear anything of interest and the level of debate has dropped to an all-time low.
People used to debate vigorously and at times abusively but seemingly without malice however now not only has it become dull but it is too often malicious and as one who is far from easily offended I find it now uninformative and don't really wish to share my views to a group (with a few exceptions) have nothing to say.

I agree that oranges are the new apples and things were better when stuff happened before other stuff......Did I ever mention I hate geese....all that hissing drives me mad.....

[Ian Royal]

nothing personal....of course

Just the general "ambience" these days

I'd agree. But I remember reading for quite a while before I joined - must be about 15 years ago now and it was just full of people being incredibly rude and shouting at each other then too. There's just a wider readership and a smaller group of (different) regular contributors.

And it's no longer a new sort of cutting edge and exciting* method of communicating to a wider audience about a passion.

[AthleticoSpizz]

I'd beg to differ, re. the rudeness (back in the day)

However, I think it's fair to say, the fun has gone for a lot of us old dinosaurs. We seem to be left with the same old, same old nob-buddies sharing their own brand of "humour" and sometimes rounding en-mass on any of the less inclusive clique. The snide and sarky " one- liners" oftenly afforded by one or two senior/moderator types just adds to the lack of desire to participate..

Anyways.......wrong thread....wrong words by a wrong poster

[Kitsondinho]

This is descending into an 'They went shit after their third album' existential crisis for HNA. It is, as it always was, a place to find various levels of debate. As in life there are good bits, bad bits, shocking bits and so on. I also find the idea of HNA? as some sort of sweary bastion for intellectual deliberation amusing. It is as good (bad) as it always has been.

[Kitsondinho]

Anyway, back on topic.....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/32998735