John Terry

[paultheroyal]

If what Terry is accused with happened at my place of work he would be suspended pending full investigation and then hearing. Same should apply here and he should be nowhere near the England team until hearing or in this case trial be concluded.

[Uke]

If what Terry is accused with happened at my place of work he would be suspended pending full investigation and then hearing. Same should apply here and he should be nowhere near the England team until hearing or in this case trial be concluded.

He would receive his pay and return to work as normal after the case

If JT is found not guilty, then he should get paid his win bonuses as if he played with the team and just STFU

He'll be a distraction to the team with the media circus (which he will play to) and shouldn't even go, and anyone in the dressing room for whom it is a problem shouldn't go either.

That's how you build a team

[Bandini]

IMHO it was down to a legal and social change in attitudes

To which football, as part of society, can play a part.

[Victor Meldrew]

IMHO it was down to a legal and social change in attitudes

To which football, as part of society, can play a part.

I think it would have happened without the part played by football.
Likewise the greater tolerance that now exists regarding gays,lesbians but surprisingly not the Welsh.

[Victor Meldrew]

You've confused me here Eaststandman.

You said that the FA were putting themselves above the law of the land by treating him as guilty before being proven so. My only comment in that is that this happens in most other industries so they're not doing anything more than other bodies do day in day out (in fact I'd say they're doing less). They aren't diluting as you suggest.

The public interest and attention doesn't really come into the argument as far as I'm concerned.

The Respect campaign is targetted at completely the wrong end of the game I agree, but again that's going off on quite a wild tangent.

VM, not sure what Beckham or Giggs have done to warrant the comparisons in this case. I know you'll hold a grudge against them for their United backgrounds (and I agree they shouldn't be included in the Olympic squad) but they're not on criminal charges and awaiting trial so I don't get why the need to drag them into things.

My point was about the attitude of the FA.
On the one hand they take the high ground on racism and homophobia but on the other hand readily sell theiir soul to anybody for a pot of gold.
BTW for once it was nothing to do with Man Utd (believe me)but that I'm not aware of any other old-timers likely to play for Team GB.

[No Fixed Abode]

If what Terry is accused with happened at my place of work he would be suspended pending full investigation and then hearing. Same should apply here and he should be nowhere near the England team until hearing or in this case trial be concluded.

Suspended from England and Chelsea?

[Extended-Phenotype]

I'm not sure I understand what Victor's problem is. Slate the FA for campaigning against bigotry in football? What monsters!

I'd rather have the sometimes clumsy attempts at equality than turn-the-other-cheek attitudes. Protecting people from prejudice seems far more important than protecting grumpy fans from being bored with the story, no matter how overstated they believe the seriousness of being racially abused is.

A player who stands accused of racism has had the captaincy removed until the matter can be addressed. The furore at this is as much a circus as the incident itself is suggested to be.

[paultheroyal]

If what Terry is accused with happened at my place of work he would be suspended pending full investigation and then hearing. Same should apply here and he should be nowhere near the England team until hearing or in this case trial be concluded.

Suspended from England and Chelsea?

Now you come to think about it yes. If I said the alleged comment to a colleague or customer I would not be back at my desk until a full investigation and hearing took place and I am sure that's the same for a number on here.

[Silver Fox]

Glad to hear Motty complaining about the fact that the court case has been delayed for such a long time, as if football is above the law, he's the only pndit I've heard so far concerned about these shenanigans more than how this will affect England's chances (sic) in the euros

Textbook work by Vic to get a dig in at Beckham on a subject that has nothing to do with him by the way

[Seal]

Can't see how Terry can considered unfit for captaincy yet still fit for the team. All or nothing IMO.

FA have essentially passed the buck to Capello on Terry's involvement in the EUROs.

Also for what it's worth It was Chelsea who requested the delay to the trial not the FA. Sure they would prefer it to be settled now whereas Chelsea want him to be able to finish the season.

[AthleticoSpizz]

and why should Chelsea be above the FA and the law?

[Rex]

Can't see how Terry can considered unfit for captaincy yet still fit for the team. All or nothing IMO.

FA have essentially passed the buck to Capello on Terry's involvement in the EUROs.

Also for what it's worth It was Chelsea who requested the delay to the trial not the FA. Sure they would prefer it to be settled now whereas Chelsea want him to be able to finish the season.

Perhaps it will have the adverse effect and he will be unsettled closer to the case.

[Seal]

and why should Chelsea be above the FA and the law?

They're not. They made a request to a judge and he accepted it. Very simple.

All this 'above the law' is just the usual small minded British public rubbish.

It's just happened that in this instance the employer has backed their employee and made a request. It's actually very rare that an employer does so, hence it looks like favoritism.

[AthleticoSpizz]

small minded lol....with nothing to fear...just get it over and done with..we would

[Eaststandman]

You've confused me here Eaststandman.

You said that the FA were putting themselves above the law of the land by treating him as guilty before being proven so. My only comment in that is that this happens in most other industries so they're not doing anything more than other bodies do day in day out (in fact I'd say they're doing less). They aren't diluting as you suggest.

The public interest and attention doesn't really come into the argument as far as I'm concerned.

The Respect campaign is targetted at completely the wrong end of the game I agree, but again that's going off on quite a wild tangent.

VM, not sure what Beckham or Giggs have done to warrant the comparisons in this case. I know you'll hold a grudge against them for their United backgrounds (and I agree they shouldn't be included in the Olympic squad) but they're not on criminal charges and awaiting trial so I don't get why the need to drag them into things.

Apologies for the delay in responding, spent 4 hours driving home to Dorset (it usually takes 2) from the 'ding last night, snow, sleet, hail, rain, fog, flood, etc, it was biblical.

I conflated the two issues simply because the common denominator, the FA, who could feck up a choice of one IMHO are at the centre of the problem, which is inconsistency on many levels and subjects. My son's situtation was real, recent and illustrative.

Public interest does come into it, rather like "dog bites man" who cares "man bites dog" is newsworthy. JT is gathering more than his fair share of public interest, comment and opinion.

Regular 'Joe's' are less likey to attract so much attention and I prefer blind justice rather than pre-emptive justice by media, is all.

At risk of adding another issue, I'm interested in the comparison between Terry Venables's unsuitability and what will happen with Harry Redknapp, how consistent will the FA be I wonder?

[Uke]

I really get the feekling there's a whole lot more "depth" to the JT story than we currently are getting...

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... tgage.html

I expect more revalations in the run up to June

[Silver Fox]

So, Jamie "son of 'arry" Redknapp thinks people should be treated as innocent until proven guilty, funny that

[cmonurz]

So, Jamie "son of 'arry" Redknapp thinks people should be treated as innocent until proven guilty, funny that

I think most people would share that view, to be honest.

[Uke]

That does not stop people "under investigation" being treated as "under investigation" though

[LWJ]

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