Modern football things you don't like

[Winston Biscuit]

how every PL club (and some lower) seems to now have some kind of unofficial voice of the fan type person, who runs a club youtube channel and is just the loudest person among their fans. From what I have seen they are almost always youngsters with armfuls of stats, pretty terrible opinions on the game, and a very high opinion of themselves. and they always have stupid names too.

Thankfully this is not something that troubles Reading.

'Well we've heard from the former players and his former manager, but what we really want to hear is how the fans feel about this transfer, so let's cross live to Big Grinder Boy RFC 4 Life who runs the 'ding Grinder Boy' youtube channel. Grinder Boy, what do you think of this transfer?'

Camera cuts to Grinder Boy, wearing an overpriced reissued club shirt from an era before he was born that he knows nothing about, at home surrounded by club merch and RFC pictures on the wall

'Well blud, just look at the impactful transitions in the final 3rd stats, nuff respect for those, cuz. Ya nart am saying'

'Thanks Grinder Boy'

Etc etc

[Winston Biscuit]

fans referring to players by their nicknames in a weird over familiar way that just feels wrong

'Sonny'

[Sanguine]

how every PL club (and some lower) seems to now have some kind of unofficial voice of the fan type person, who runs a club youtube channel and is just the loudest person among their fans. From what I have seen they are almost always youngsters with armfuls of stats, pretty terrible opinions on the game, and a very high opinion of themselves. and they always have stupid names too.

Thankfully this is not something that troubles Reading.

Can't work out how Mark Goldbridge, a Forest fan working under an assumed name, has been accepted as a voice of United fans. It's very odd.

[BRO_BOT]

how every PL club (and some lower) seems to now have some kind of unofficial voice of the fan type person, who runs a club youtube channel and is just the loudest person among their fans. From what I have seen they are almost always youngsters with armfuls of stats, pretty terrible opinions on the game, and a very high opinion of themselves. and they always have stupid names too.

Thankfully this is not something that troubles Reading.

Can't work out how Mark Goldbridge, a Forest fan working under an assumed name, has been accepted as a voice of United fans. It's very odd.

[katweslowski]

how every PL club (and some lower) seems to now have some kind of unofficial voice of the fan type person, who runs a club youtube channel and is just the loudest person among their fans. From what I have seen they are almost always youngsters with armfuls of stats, pretty terrible opinions on the game, and a very high opinion of themselves. and they always have stupid names too.

Thankfully this is not something that troubles Reading.

Can't work out how Mark Goldbridge, a Forest fan working under an assumed name, has been accepted as a voice of United fans. It's very odd.

I really like Goldbridge. For some strange reason I've watched quite a few "The United Stand" videos and they're quite interesting. I am not a fan of the club in anyway but I do like the content

[genome]

how every PL club (and some lower) seems to now have some kind of unofficial voice of the fan type person, who runs a club youtube channel and is just the loudest person among their fans. From what I have seen they are almost always youngsters with armfuls of stats, pretty terrible opinions on the game, and a very high opinion of themselves. and they always have stupid names too.

The thing that irks me is they have a vested interest in the team doing poorly. Their viewership is far higher when there is negativity involved (especially where rival fans watch to laugh)

Not sure I would want to be that kind of fan

[Dirk Gently]

how every PL club (and some lower) seems to now have some kind of unofficial voice of the fan type person, who runs a club youtube channel and is just the loudest person among their fans. From what I have seen they are almost always youngsters with armfuls of stats, pretty terrible opinions on the game, and a very high opinion of themselves. and they always have stupid names too.

The thing that irks me is they have a vested interest in the team doing poorly. Their viewership is far higher when there is negativity involved (especially where rival fans watch to laugh)

Not sure I would want to be that kind of fan

That;'s just the Internet for you - conflict and outrage always gets more engagement than contentment and rationality.

[BRO_BOT]

how every PL club (and some lower) seems to now have some kind of unofficial voice of the fan type person, who runs a club youtube channel and is just the loudest person among their fans. From what I have seen they are almost always youngsters with armfuls of stats, pretty terrible opinions on the game, and a very high opinion of themselves. and they always have stupid names too.

The thing that irks me is they have a vested interest in the team doing poorly. Their viewership is far higher when there is negativity involved (especially where rival fans watch to laugh)

Not sure I would want to be that kind of fan

That;'s just the Internet for you - conflict and outrage always gets more engagement than contentment and rationality.

That's not true. They do much bigger numbers after the team wins.

Easy to check the views rec'd

[Winston Biscuit]

When Haaland just scored the penalty and ran over celebrating to the side of the pitch, the crowd looked like they were hardly moving, when it went close up to Haaland you could see behind him much of the crowd were just stood there holding phones up

[Winston Biscuit]

Hearts used 7 subs in their cup game the other day

[Sutekh]

Hearts used 7 subs in their cup game the other day

Sub rules different in the Scottish cup?

[Winston Biscuit]

Hearts used 7 subs in their cup game the other day

Sub rules different in the Scottish cup?

Same as English cups.

5 standard subs, 1 additional sub for extra time and then 1 concussion sub used.

I don't like 5 subs in standard time and 6 if its extra time. I like the tactical challenge needed when you can only have The 2 or 3 subs, and that was your matchday squad. I would honestly go back to 3 subs and a matchday squad of 14.

[Snowflake Royal]

Yes, but it is precisely that - "a shot at the big time."

It's almost like the Premier League having one place spare just to show the little clubs what it's like for a year or maybe two - "Your turn to come and be our whipping boy for a season."

They're not taken seriously and everyone knows they're not competitive and it'll only be a fleeting visit.

Obvious exceptions apply, but you have to think that the likes of Brighton, Brentford, Bournemouth and Forest will fizzle out in a number of years, and then the fall will be financially damaging. qv Wigan & Bolton who were once pretty established PL clubs.

Go back 40 years, is it really any different, other than size of money?

Do a similar 15 year analysis of say 77 to 92.

[Dirk Gently]

Yes, but it is precisely that - "a shot at the big time."

It's almost like the Premier League having one place spare just to show the little clubs what it's like for a year or maybe two - "Your turn to come and be our whipping boy for a season."

They're not taken seriously and everyone knows they're not competitive and it'll only be a fleeting visit.

Obvious exceptions apply, but you have to think that the likes of Brighton, Brentford, Bournemouth and Forest will fizzle out in a number of years, and then the fall will be financially damaging. qv Wigan & Bolton who were once pretty established PL clubs.

Go back 40 years, is it really any different, other than size of money?

Do a similar 15 year analysis of say 77 to 92.

I think it is different, yes - because it's all about the difference in finances and the relative expectations of promoted clubs. In those years, a promoted club could compete for the Tier 1 title (e.g. Forest promoted in 1977 and winning the title the next season, and the Euro Cup the next.) Nowadays the only realistic target for promoted clubs is survival - even though Forest are doing unaccountably well now, last year all they wanted was to stay up.

The gap is too big, and the fact that the style of play is different and that makes it too hard for promoted clubs. The skills you need to get into the PL are quite different from the skills you need to survive and thrive there.

[stealthpapes]

IIRC, the mid-80s to mid-90s are a bit of an outlier both in terms of teams challenging for title and teams bouncing up and down.

i.e. the loss of European football had an effect and the return of it had a very big one.

The gap is too big, and the fact that the style of play is different and that makes it too hard for promoted clubs. The skills you need to get into the PL are quite different from the skills you need to survive and thrive there.

This is very true, you can muscle your way to a play off spot in championship with a well-drilled 4-4-2 and a striker who is either really fast, really strong or really good in the air.

It was telling (for me at least), just how good the average Prem striker was that first season we went up.

[Winston Biscuit]

[Snowflake Royal]

Yes, but it is precisely that - "a shot at the big time."

It's almost like the Premier League having one place spare just to show the little clubs what it's like for a year or maybe two - "Your turn to come and be our whipping boy for a season."

They're not taken seriously and everyone knows they're not competitive and it'll only be a fleeting visit.

Obvious exceptions apply, but you have to think that the likes of Brighton, Brentford, Bournemouth and Forest will fizzle out in a number of years, and then the fall will be financially damaging. qv Wigan & Bolton who were once pretty established PL clubs.

Go back 40 years, is it really any different, other than size of money?

Do a similar 15 year analysis of say 77 to 92.

I think it is different, yes - because it's all about the difference in finances and the relative expectations of promoted clubs. In those years, a promoted club could compete for the Tier 1 title (e.g. Forest promoted in 1977 and winning the title the next season, and the Euro Cup the next.) Nowadays the only realistic target for promoted clubs is survival - even though Forest are doing unaccountably well now, last year all they wanted was to stay up.

The gap is too big, and the fact that the style of play is different and that makes it too hard for promoted clubs. The skills you need to get into the PL are quite different from the skills you need to survive and thrive there.

How common was that even then though? Leicester have won the league too. Forest are right up there.

[Sanguine]

Dirk just doing what he always does - ignoring evidence to the contrary of his opinion, which is already set in concrete. Brighton, Fulham, Brentford, Bournemouth, Forest, Villa - all promoted in recent seasons and none of them looking over their shoulder at relegation. It's not 'just about survival', although for some clubs of course it will be. All sorts of variables that determine that including, dare I say it, actual football coaching. Brighton have hardly established themselves in the top half by breaking the bank, funding signings with player sales. Brentford's club record signing is only £30m or so.

[Dirk Gently]

Dirk just doing what he always does - ignoring evidence to the contrary of his opinion, which is already set in concrete. Brighton, Fulham, Brentford, Bournemouth, Forest, Villa - all promoted in recent seasons and none of them looking over their shoulder at relegation. It's not 'just about survival', although for some clubs of course it will be. All sorts of variables that determine that including, dare I say it, actual football coaching. Brighton have hardly established themselves in the top half by breaking the bank, funding signings with player sales. Brentford's club record signing is only £30m or so.

Interesting in view of my initial post of this subject, which has some key phrases which are being completely ignored because they don't fit the argument you want to make...

Yes, but it is precisely that - "a shot at the big time."

It's almost like the Premier League having one place spare just to show the little clubs what it's like for a year or maybe two - "Your turn to come and be our whipping boy for a season."

They're not taken seriously and everyone knows they're not competitive and it'll only be a fleeting visit.

Obvious exceptions apply, but you have to think that the likes of Brighton, Brentford, Bournemouth and Forest will fizzle out in a number of years, and then the fall will be financially damaging. qv Wigan & Bolton who were once pretty established PL clubs.

The clubs I'm thinking of are the likes of Luton, Bradford, Barnsley, Derby, Huddersfiled, us - a season or two in the sun but no hope of getting established.

Having said that, although Brighton, Fulham, Brentford, Bournemouth, Forest, Villa are all undoubtedly doing well at the moment, but is that permanent, or short-term overachieving until they get found out or lose the key players who are making the difference? For the first four especially I don't think they'll ever be secure and properly established as PL fixtures. Even PL winners Leicester - the ultimate in overachieving for a season or two - have been back down since and are struggling again.

And again, I'll give you the likes of Wigan and Bolton who hung around for years but were never not looking over their shoulders. There's only really PL "security" for about a third of the teams there, and for all the others I'd argue that there's a perennial fear of relegation.

[katweslowski]

Is it just me that cringes when a commentator refers to chants from the crowd?

"'You don't know what you're doing' is the cry from the home faithful"