SPECULATION - Simon Cox

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Re: SPECULATION - Simon Cox

by Alan Partridge » 29 Jun 2009 12:22

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Alan Partridge Yep superb business to let a proven goalscorer who at 22 years of age already has a 30 goal season behind him go on the cheap. Good job we've got loads of forward here with the same pedigree.

Am I missing something? When we let him go he was not a proven goalscorer who already had a 30 goal season behind him.....


Cox had scored at a rate of 1 in 2 while at Swindon and Northampton.

You are right that at the time of selling he hadn't but that potential was shown with those loan spells. His first full season playing as a professional he has 30 goals.

22 years old and sold for bugger all.

It's no coincidence in my mind that they keep hyping up the likes of Church, as they have to make it seem he was the better of the two, fact is he isn't and they made a huge error.

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Re: SPECULATION - Simon Cox

by Sun Tzu » 29 Jun 2009 12:26

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Alan Partridge Yep superb business to let a proven goalscorer who at 22 years of age already has a 30 goal season behind him go on the cheap. Good job we've got loads of forward here with the same pedigree.

Am I missing something? When we let him go he was not a proven goalscorer who already had a 30 goal season behind him.....


I scratched my head there too !

Is AP having a go at Swindon ?

Did we all miss a season when Cox scored tons of goals for us ?

We'll have made what, £1.4 million in total (I forget how much we got first up for him) which is more than we paid for Hunt (N), Doyle and Kitson combined.

It's a decent amount for a young, unproven player. I'd have loved to see him stay at Reading and stick 30 goals away in the Championship but it didn't happen and for once we've actually got decent money for one of our youth products.

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Re: SPECULATION - Simon Cox

by Alan Partridge » 29 Jun 2009 12:31

Very much having a go at Reading who finally actually produced a half decent young player, was never given an opportunity, was told to go away and score goals -did. Still never got a chance then sold for bugger all to then score 30 in his first season. Cox couldn't have possibly done any worse that the strikers who were here at the time who didn't muster a goal between them until the Derby game as Reading were relegated.

Was a rubbish piece of business that the club on this occasion got totally wrong, another one to add to the transfer cock ups of 2006 onwards.

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Re: SPECULATION - Simon Cox

by Wycombe Royal » 29 Jun 2009 12:33

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Alan Partridge Yep superb business to let a proven goalscorer who at 22 years of age already has a 30 goal season behind him go on the cheap. Good job we've got loads of forward here with the same pedigree.

Am I missing something? When we let him go he was not a proven goalscorer who already had a 30 goal season behind him.....


Cox had scored at a rate of 1 in 2 while at Swindon and Northampton.

You are right that at the time of selling he hadn't but that potential was shown with those loan spells. His first full season playing as a professional he has 30 goals.

22 years old and sold for bugger all.

It's no coincidence in my mind that they keep hyping up the likes of Church, as they have to make it seem he was the better of the two, fact is he isn't and they made a huge error.

Remind me again when we transfer listed Cox and told him to leave......

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Re: SPECULATION - Simon Cox

by Alan Partridge » 29 Jun 2009 12:35

Cox wanted to play, could he have not been loaned out again? Told to see where we were at the end of the season?

Reading were under no pressure to sell him, it was their decision to actually sell him. If they thought he had a long term future here then they could have made that clear and attempted to keep him on.

They didn't.

He's scored 30 goals and is looking like getting a transfer to a very good club. Reading are you'd think in the market for a striker, they could have had a very good one and he was here all along.


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Re: SPECULATION - Simon Cox

by Sun Tzu » 29 Jun 2009 12:40

Or the other side of the coin is.....

We don't know do we.

We can all speculate to suit our preconceived ideas.

We got a decent fee for a young unproven player who may or may not have turned down the chance to stay with us 2 years ago.

Getting £1.4 million for a Div 1 player is hardly bad business whereas paying £2.5 million is perhaps a risk.

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Re: SPECULATION - Simon Cox

by Alan Partridge » 29 Jun 2009 12:45

Sun Tzu Or the other side of the coin is.....

We don't know do we.

We can all speculate to suit our preconceived ideas.

We got a decent fee for a young unproven player who may or may not have turned down the chance to stay with us 2 years ago.

Getting £1.4 million for a Div 1 player is hardly bad business whereas paying £2.5 million is perhaps a risk.


£2.5million in modern day football is sadly nothing, and part of the reason Reading were relegated in the firstplace, thinking the likes of £1-2million is a big amount of money, when really it's not.

Say it's about the going rate for an English 22 year old with a proven scoring record.

Had Cox stayed, been given a chance who knows what would have happened. He MAY not have done so well, I don't think he'd have got 30 but it's fairly likely he'd have got a fair few last season. Who knows what we MAY have sold him on for? Almost certainly more than £1.4million.

Personal opinion is it was a shocker for Reading, Cox has done extremely well for himself since and Reading get £1million to go into the club and never be seen again. Terrific.

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Re: SPECULATION - Simon Cox

by Wycombe Royal » 29 Jun 2009 12:50

Alan Partridge Cox wanted to play, could he have not been loaned out again? Told to see where we were at the end of the season?

Reading were under no pressure to sell him, it was their decision to actually sell him. If they thought he had a long term future here then they could have made that clear and attempted to keep him on.

They didn't.

He's scored 30 goals and is looking like getting a transfer to a very good club. Reading are you'd think in the market for a striker, they could have had a very good one and he was here all along.

That is all your opinion with no facts to back it up. I believe that most of that is crap and is basically the ramblings of someone who didn't like the fact that Cox wanted to leave. RFC did the right thing is not holding a young player back from pursuing his career elsewhere which is whatr he (COX) wanted to do.

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Re: SPECULATION - Simon Cox

by Alan Partridge » 29 Jun 2009 12:55

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Alan Partridge Cox wanted to play, could he have not been loaned out again? Told to see where we were at the end of the season?

Reading were under no pressure to sell him, it was their decision to actually sell him. If they thought he had a long term future here then they could have made that clear and attempted to keep him on.

They didn't.

He's scored 30 goals and is looking like getting a transfer to a very good club. Reading are you'd think in the market for a striker, they could have had a very good one and he was here all along.

That is all your opinion with no facts to back it up. I believe that most of that is crap and is basically the ramblings of someone who didn't like the fact that Cox wanted to leave. RFC did the right thing is not holding a young player back from pursuing his career elsewhere which is whatr he (COX) wanted to do.


What's your facts to back it up then?

Cox didn't want to leave Reading at all.

He wanted to play.

Totally different scenario.

He wasn't given a chance at all at Reading and now he's proving what a stupid mistake that was, fair play to him.


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Re: SPECULATION - Simon Cox

by Royal Rother » 29 Jun 2009 12:58

We have effectively done a piece of business that netted us £1.4m for a striker who had almost never played or scored for us.

Whether the judgement call was right at the time is debatable of course but the deal, as it has worked out, is a good one for the club.

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Re: SPECULATION - Simon Cox

by Wycombe Royal » 29 Jun 2009 12:59

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Alan Partridge Cox wanted to play, could he have not been loaned out again? Told to see where we were at the end of the season?

Reading were under no pressure to sell him, it was their decision to actually sell him. If they thought he had a long term future here then they could have made that clear and attempted to keep him on.

They didn't.

He's scored 30 goals and is looking like getting a transfer to a very good club. Reading are you'd think in the market for a striker, they could have had a very good one and he was here all along.

That is all your opinion with no facts to back it up. I believe that most of that is crap and is basically the ramblings of someone who didn't like the fact that Cox wanted to leave. RFC did the right thing is not holding a young player back from pursuing his career elsewhere which is whatr he (COX) wanted to do.


What's your facts to back it up then?

Cox didn't want to leave Reading at all.

He wanted to play.

Totally different scenario.

He wasn't given a chance at all at Reading and now he's proving what a stupid mistake that was, fair play to him.

Cox wanted to leave to get first team football, he didn't want to go out on loan.

If he had been thrown in to our first team IN THE PREMIERSHIP at that time it could have destroyed him. THe team was low on confidence and playing poorly and that is not the time to be chucking in inexperienced yougsters. THe offer from Swindon was there and he wanted to take it.

The club may not have made the right decision for RFC but they made the right decision for Simon Cox. All the club could do was secure a hefty sell on clause should he realise his potential and that is exactly what they did.

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Re: SPECULATION - Simon Cox

by Sun Tzu » 29 Jun 2009 13:02

Alan Partridge £2.5million in modern day football is sadly nothing, and part of the reason Reading were relegated in the firstplace, thinking the likes of £1-2million is a big amount of money, when really it's not.

Say it's about the going rate for an English 22 year old with a proven scoring record.

Had Cox stayed, been given a chance who knows what would have happened. He MAY not have done so well, I don't think he'd have got 30 but it's fairly likely he'd have got a fair few last season. Who knows what we MAY have sold him on for? Almost certainly more than £1.4million.

Personal opinion is it was a shocker for Reading, Cox has done extremely well for himself since and Reading get £1million to go into the club and never be seen again. Terrific.


There won't be many (any ?)Div 1 players move for that sort of money this season. Which maybe suggests it is a decent amount.

Had Cox stayed I'm not sure why he would have been given a 'chance' ahead of players with better goal scoring records over longer time periods and at a higher level. Our problems were never that our forwards weren;t good enough but that they weren;t given the service. What about Cox woul dhave made him more likley to get goals than Doyle or Hunt (or even Long). he may have done it - and perhaps just being a different player might have made the difference. He managed to get his goals for a poor team at Swindon so maybe he wouldn;t have needed theservice. Of course he was playing against significantly lower standard defenders....

So I'd say we've probably achieved about a par score on this. We could have gambled on him doing well for us, but if we'd kept him and he'd scored 2 or 3 goals then his value would have plummeted. I'm not sure you could argue he'd have hit 15 or more for definite and unless he'd really set the world alight his value would not have been in the £2.5 million range (unless you reckon Hunt is worth that in which case you can add him to the list of great buys we'vce made recently !)

Had Cox stayed and scored hatfuls then that would have been ideal. The fact that he went and has netted us a decent fee is the next best option isn;t it ? We put a nice big add on clause in the deal and have cashed in. Is that the third million pound Academy product (over a period of a few years !!)

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Re: SPECULATION - Simon Cox

by Alan Partridge » 29 Jun 2009 13:05

Or he might have scored one or two? Shown 'no fear' as the commentators like to say about young players. He couldn't have done any worse then the zero goals from Lita, Doyle and Long until the Derby match.

We'll never know.

What we do know is he's scored 40 odd goals in around 50-60 games for Swindon/Northampton. in the last 2 seasons.

What a shame we never got to see a young, local lad with such obvious talent play for Reading.


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Re: SPECULATION - Simon Cox

by Focher » 29 Jun 2009 13:10

Cox was just a victim of us being in the Premier League, was never going to make the first team, well not under Coppell anyway, and £200,000 for a player that was not even making the first team squad was a good deal.

I don't think you can blame RFC for selling him, the only finger i would point would be to Coppell for not spotting the obvious talent the lad has, and your right its a real shame we don't have homegrown talent banging the goal in for us.

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by Sun Tzu » 29 Jun 2009 13:11

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What a shame we never got to see a young, local lad with such obvious talent play for Reading.


Your fault for not going to cup games I guess.....

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Re: SPECULATION - Simon Cox

by Alan Partridge » 29 Jun 2009 13:12

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Alan Partridge £2.5million in modern day football is sadly nothing, and part of the reason Reading were relegated in the firstplace, thinking the likes of £1-2million is a big amount of money, when really it's not.

Say it's about the going rate for an English 22 year old with a proven scoring record.

Had Cox stayed, been given a chance who knows what would have happened. He MAY not have done so well, I don't think he'd have got 30 but it's fairly likely he'd have got a fair few last season. Who knows what we MAY have sold him on for? Almost certainly more than £1.4million.

Personal opinion is it was a shocker for Reading, Cox has done extremely well for himself since and Reading get £1million to go into the club and never be seen again. Terrific.


There won't be many (any ?)Div 1 players move for that sort of money this season. Which maybe suggests it is a decent amount.

Had Cox stayed I'm not sure why he would have been given a 'chance' ahead of players with better goal scoring records over longer time periods and at a higher level. Our problems were never that our forwards weren;t good enough but that they weren;t given the service. What about Cox woul dhave made him more likley to get goals than Doyle or Hunt (or even Long). he may have done it - and perhaps just being a different player might have made the difference. He managed to get his goals for a poor team at Swindon so maybe he wouldn;t have needed theservice. Of course he was playing against significantly lower standard defenders....

So I'd say we've probably achieved about a par score on this. We could have gambled on him doing well for us, but if we'd kept him and he'd scored 2 or 3 goals then his value would have plummeted. I'm not sure you could argue he'd have hit 15 or more for definite and unless he'd really set the world alight his value would not have been in the £2.5 million range (unless you reckon Hunt is worth that in which case you can add him to the list of great buys we'vce made recently !)

Had Cox stayed and scored hatfuls then that would have been ideal. The fact that he went and has netted us a decent fee is the next best option isn;t it ? We put a nice big add on clause in the deal and have cashed in. Is that the third million pound Academy product (over a period of a few years !!)


If thelikes of the top scorers, Fryatt, Cox, Hooper, Mackail sMith, Mclean (who Wolves bid £3million last year) were to be bought they would all be well over £2million. Cox is the only one from a team who didn't get promoted. Making him a far easier target.

The quality of some of Cox' goals suggests he's a player that creates for himself or can create a bit of magic out of nothing, very similar to Jamie Cureton. With the quality of his long rang finishing and also the way he curls the ball into the far corners. Similarirty on that part is uncanny.

If the money was actually reinvested on the team for better or equal standard players than the ones sold then fair do's. We'd do very well in the current market to buy someone better than Cox is currently for that amount of money.

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Re: SPECULATION - Simon Cox

by Alan Partridge » 29 Jun 2009 13:14

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What a shame we never got to see a young, local lad with such obvious talent play for Reading.


Your fault for not going to cup games I guess.....


I saw his 45 minute cameo on the right where ironically he showed more in that 45minutes out of position than most of the inncumbents did that season. I saw his other 30 second appearance at Plymouth and there was another somewhere that slips my mind.

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Re: SPECULATION - Simon Cox

by Royal With Cheese » 29 Jun 2009 13:36

Notes on the above for Alan Partridge.

1) He takes the penalties.

2) He's been playing for Swindon and Northampton. The last time I looked Swindown are in the 3rd Division and Northampton are in the 4th.

3) Cox was never going to start regularly in the prem. He expressed his desire to play regular first team football. Coppell gave him that chance. Strikes me as a decent decision for all parties concerned.

4) If we do end up with 1.4 million for a guy who's scored his goals in the 3rd/4th division I'm happy with that.

5) Wrong time and wrong place. If he was 2/3 years younger he may have had a chance in our first team now.

6) Get over yourself, please.

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Re: SPECULATION - Simon Cox

by Royal With Cheese » 29 Jun 2009 13:37

7) I understand that probably all that's been discussed ad infinitum over the last 15 pages but, in the words of AF1, I'm not reading all that.

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Re: SPECULATION - Simon Cox

by Royal Rother » 29 Jun 2009 13:55

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What a shame we never got to see a young, local lad with such obvious talent play for Reading.


No argument on that point.

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