SPECULATION - Simon Cox

[Compo's Hat]

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528, ... 37,00.html

Anyone know if we have a sell on clause?

[Wycombe Royal]

What we do know is he's scored 40 odd goals in around 50-60 games for Swindon/Northampton. in the last 2 seasons.

In the last two seasons he hasn't played for Northampton.

In the last two seasons for Swindon he scored 43 goals in 81 appearances in the league.

[Wycombe Royal]

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12874_5405937,00.html

Anyone know if we have a sell on clause?

Rumoured to be 40%.

[Thaumagurist*]

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12874_5405937,00.html

Anyone know if we have a sell on clause?

Most likely, yes.

[Alan Partridge]

Notes on the above for Alan Partridge.

1) He takes the penalties.

2) He's been playing for Swindon and Northampton. The last time I looked Swindown are in the 3rd Division and Northampton are in the 4th.

3) Cox was never going to start regularly in the prem. He expressed his desire to play regular first team football. Coppell gave him that chance. Strikes me as a decent decision for all parties concerned.

4) If we do end up with 1.4 million for a guy who's scored his goals in the 3rd/4th division I'm happy with that.

5) Wrong time and wrong place. If he was 2/3 years younger he may have had a chance in our first team now.

6) Get over yourself, please.

1) Still scores most of them
2) Northampton weren't in the '4th division' when he was there, not like that is any way relevant. some of you make it sound as though the championship is this wonderous league far greater than the one below it. The reality is, it isn't. There isn't much between the football leagues really.
3) he was never going to start regularly because he was never given a game, so of course not. But how did Man City find out about Sturridge? West Ham about Sears? Or even Liverpool about Owen? Not saying he'd have been anywhere near Owen's league but he was an 18 year old thrown in there despite 'established names' in their squad. There's were even producing the goods, unlike our 4.
4) that's your opinion, he's worth a hell of a lot more, which is why Swindon will get double the above figure.
5) Quite possibly.
6). OK.

[Alan Partridge]

What we do know is he's scored 40 odd goals in around 50-60 games for Swindon/Northampton. in the last 2 seasons.

In the last two seasons he hasn't played for Northampton.

In the last two seasons for Swindon he scored 43 goals in 81 appearances in the league.

I knew it was 40 odd, wasn't aware he'd played that many in his loan spell at Swindon, fair play for looking it up.

So over 1 in 2 then.

[Wycombe Royal]

What we do know is he's scored 40 odd goals in around 50-60 games for Swindon/Northampton. in the last 2 seasons.

In the last two seasons he hasn't played for Northampton.

In the last two seasons for Swindon he scored 43 goals in 81 appearances in the league.

I knew it was 40 odd, wasn't aware he'd played that many in his loan spell at Swindon, fair play for looking it up.

So over 1 in 2 then.

I'm not disputing that he has a fantastic record in league 1, but so did Billy Sharp.

[Alan Partridge]

2 totally different players.

[Royal Rother]

Mooney to Swindon with a nice sell-on clause?

[Wycombe Royal]

2 totally different players.

Not really, no. Both are strikers, both have (had in Sharp's case) fantastic lower division scoring records. Sharp flopped when he returned to the Blades.

I got the comparison from a different forum and it was Blades fans who made the comparison.

[Alan Partridge]

2 totally different players.

Not really, no. Both are strikers, both have (had in Sharp's case) fantastic lower division scoring records. Sharp flopped when he returned to the Blades.

I got the comparison from a different forum and it was Blades fans who made the comparison.

Two different people
Different playing styles
Just because Sharp hasn't done well in the championship has precisely ZERO bearing on how Cox will do.

[Sun Tzu]

2 totally different players.

Not really, no. Both are strikers, both have (had in Sharp's case) fantastic lower division scoring records. Sharp flopped when he returned to the Blades.

I got the comparison from a different forum and it was Blades fans who made the comparison.

Two different people
Different playing styles
Just because Sharp hasn't done well in the championship has precisely ZERO bearing on how Cox will do.

It has zero direct bearing but the point is valid - a good season in the lower divisions does not guarantee you success higher up. Freddie Eastwood, Leroy Lita !!

I'll ignore the 'different people' bit as I'm sure we're all unsure how you can ever make any comparison if the 'different people' line can be used to dismiss an argument.

[Wycombe Royal]

Not really, no. Both are strikers, both have (had in Sharp's case) fantastic lower division scoring records. Sharp flopped when he returned to the Blades.

I got the comparison from a different forum and it was Blades fans who made the comparison.

Two different people
Different playing styles
Just because Sharp hasn't done well in the championship has precisely ZERO bearing on how Cox will do.

You really need to get over this obsession with Cox. It was just a comparison, nothing more than that.

Are you saying we can't compare anyone because they are different people? Isn't that the point of a comparison? I was merely showing that a great goalscoring record in the lower leagues means very little about how they will do when they make the step up.

[Alan Partridge]

It means nothing that's all. Can compare him to whoever you want still won't give an answer. Sharp didn't succeed as yet at Sheff Utd, yet Dave Kitson did here when we got him from Cambridge. Could compare him with him if you like? Or would that not suit your agenda?

[Wycombe Royal]

It means nothing that's all. Can compare him to whoever you want still won't give an answer. Sharp didn't succeed as yet at Sheff Utd, yet Dave Kitson did here when we got him from Cambridge. Could compare him with him if you like? Or would that not suit your agenda?

I was actually using the comparison to show YOU that a prolific record at lower leagues dos not mean they will succeed in the Championship as you have been implying throughout. I have never suggested or implied that he would succeed or fail in the Championship.

It has nothing to do with suiting my agenda as I don't have one. I don't care whether Cox succeeds or not all I know is that at the time Cox leaving was the best deal for him and for us. For some bizarre reason you seem to think it was one of the worst decisions in the clubs history.......

[Sun Tzu]

But it doesn;t mean a whole lot more that he's had one decent season in a lower league. It's not a guarantee of future success and plenty of examples show.

In the same way that none of us have much idea whether he would have scored goals for us we don't have too much to go on regarding his chances in the Championhsip.

He scored goals for us in the reserves, but then Leroy and Long both scored for fun in the reserves. He scored for Swindon, but then Simon Church has a poorish record at lower levels yet is a full international and being raved about by pundits (which Cox never really was).

Much of it is a gamble , hopefully an educated one but I think the line that we've got £1.4 million for a decent prospect who came up through the ranks is a more realistic one than one that says it's been an almightly cock up to 'only' get that amount for him. Getting £2.4 million would have been nice, but probably impossible had he stayed. Keeping him and seeing him score 20 for us would have been nice but didn't seem an option.

[Alan Partridge]

It means nothing that's all. Can compare him to whoever you want still won't give an answer. Sharp didn't succeed as yet at Sheff Utd, yet Dave Kitson did here when we got him from Cambridge. Could compare him with him if you like? Or would that not suit your agenda?

I was actually using the comparison to show YOU that a prolific record at lower leagues dos not mean they will succeed in the Championship as you have been implying throughout. I have never suggested or implied that he would succeed or fail in the Championship.

It has nothing to do with suiting my agenda as I don't have one. I don't care whether Cox succeeds or not all I know is that at the time Cox leaving was the best deal for him and for us. For some bizarre reason you seem to think it was one of the worst decisions in the clubs history.......

Where did I say he will succeed in the Championship? I'd hazard guess now you mention it that he will probably do ok, 30? no chance. 15 maybe.

Cox leaving has certainly turned out to be the best deal for him, not sure it's the best Reading could have got from it, I'd accept it's a consolation prize they got some money for him.

Worst decisions in the clubs history? Don't think I said that either have I? I just don't agree with this decision the club made personally, The club isn't ALWAYS in the right and on this occassion personally I think they got it wrong.

[Alan Partridge]

But it doesn;t mean a whole lot more that he's had one decent season in a lower league. It's not a guarantee of future success and plenty of examples show.

In the same way that none of us have much idea whether he would have scored goals for us we don't have too much to go on regarding his chances in the Championhsip.

He scored goals for us in the reserves, but then Leroy and Long both scored for fun in the reserves. He scored for Swindon, but then Simon Church has a poorish record at lower levels yet is a full international and being raved about by pundits (which Cox never really was).

Much of it is a gamble , hopefully an educated one but I think the line that we've got £1.4 million for a decent prospect who came up through the ranks is a more realistic one than one that says it's been an almightly cock up to 'only' get that amount for him. Getting £2.4 million would have been nice, but probably impossible had he stayed. Keeping him and seeing him score 20 for us would have been nice but didn't seem an option.

Top 2 points yep.

Cox is lightyears better than Church. Church has been average in nearly all his loan spells and a couple of goals against mediocre u21 opposition has obviously put his name out there more than Cox would scoring against Walsall.

Final point, It only didn't seem an option because he was never given a chance. He may well have not done that who knows, but he may have done on the flip side. We'll never know. They got a bit of cash but again maybe could have had a lot more.

[Sun Tzu]

Cox leaving has certainly turned out to be the best deal for him, not sure it's the best Reading could have got from it, I'd accept it's a consolation prize they got some money for him. .

Not sure where they could have got more. 400k is a decent amount for a reserve striker, 40% is a good sell on clause. Referring to £1.4 million as 'some' money is a bit odd. It's more than we paid for Lita, who had a superior pedigree.

Worst decisions in the clubs history? Don't think I said that either have I? I just don't agree with this decision the club made personally, The club isn't ALWAYS in the right and on this occassion personally I think they got it wrong.

You've laid it on pretty thick that in your view it was a major error !
Agree fully that the club isn't always right on these things (although it is rare they let someone leave who goes on to major unanticipated success). So far I don;t think you can say they got it wrong. If he goes on to score a hatful for WBA then of course they will have been proved wrong (3 years after the event) but even that presupposes that your view that we got rid of him rather than he opted to leave is correct (and I have no idea how the conversation went....)

[Terminal Boardom]

Church has been average in nearly all his loan spells and a couple of goals against mediocre u21 opposition has obviously put his name out there more than Cox would scoring against Walsall.

Would that be the same U21 opposition that have reached the final of the European U21 Championships?

I am a tad concerned AP at your obsession with young Cox. Have you been slipping him or his Mum one?