Speculation:Matty Fryatt?

[Elmer Park]

I fear we will be hearing the words 'very happy with the players I have got' coming forth from the gaffer in the next few days. Such hollow words when the players will know that he has been trying to bring in another player on loan but I guess it has to be said if you are a Manager especially at Reading where we don't usually realistically compete in the market with other Clubs of the same division.

Let's hope we get a shock and pull off a coup before the loan window closes otherwise it's probably Mackail-Smith in January.

[Royalwaster]

I fear we will be hearing the words 'very happy with the players I have got' coming forth from the gaffer in the next few days. Such hollow words when the players will know that he has been trying to bring in another player on loan but I guess it has to be said if you are a Manager especially at Reading where we don't usually realistically compete in the market with other Clubs of the same division.

Let's hope we get a shock and pull off a coup before the loan window closes otherwise it's probably Mackail-Smith in January.

Wouldn't that be a mini-shock itself - i.e. actually signing a striker in January?

[brendywendy]

I fear we will be hearing the words 'very happy with the players I have got' coming forth from the gaffer in the next few days. Such hollow words when the players will know that he has been trying to bring in another player on loan but I guess it has to be said if you are a Manager especially at Reading where we don't usually realistically compete in the market with other Clubs of the same division.

Let's hope we get a shock and pull off a coup before the loan window closes otherwise it's probably Mackail-Smith in January.

LOL at this. weve just signed someone. we are looking at many others seriously, its clear brian is trying to do something.
and even if it went to jan and we ended up with mikhail smith, it would be a good move, i dont think many would complain. apart from those who arent ever happy with anything

[andrew1957]

Fryatt off to Hull apparently.

Not that I think he is great loss to us.

[Wycombe Royal]

Fryatt has 93 career goals. He scored 32 of those in one season. The remaining 61 goals were scored over the other 7 seasons. I don't believe he is the consistent goal scorer we are after.

[leww_rfc]

Think hes now successfully linked with everyone in the CCC.

[Snowball]

Fryatt has 93 career goals. He scored 32 of those in one season. The remaining 61 goals were scored over the other 7 seasons. I don't believe he is the consistent goal scorer we are after.

Good statistical analysis. Overcomes the knee-jerk response to a 31-Goal season.



But of course those other seasons he may have merely been maturing and now, at age 24 Years 8 Months he's about to enter his peak years.

7 seasons plus last season? He was playing at age 16?



I think you've got your numbers wrong?

[Snowball]

Made his debut 24 September 2003, at the tender age of 17 and a half.


Walsall

04 (08) 2003-04 01 Goals AGED 17
09 (01) 2003-04 01 Goals AGED 17 (On Loan at Carlisle)
24 (15) 2004-05 15 Goals AGED 18
28 (07) 2005-06 14 Goals AGED 19

65 (31) = "6309 Minutes" 31 Goals. A Goal every 203 Minutes

49 league starts for Walsall, scoring 27 goals. Fryatt also collected the goal of the season and the player of the season awards 2004–05. He was still a baby!

23 (11) 2006-07 04 Goals Injury-ravaged season. Wolves bid 2M for him (rejected)
24 (10) 2007-08 03 Goals

50 (02) 2008-09 32 Goals
29 (04) 2009-10 12 Goals
06 (07) 2010-11 04 Goals


132 (34) 55 Goals = 12,420 Minutes. A Goal every 225 Minutes even when two terrible season included


If he is over his prone-ness to injury and keen for a new start, with all this experience and still only 24, he's a good CCC player

[Wycombe Royal]

I think you've got your numbers wrong?

I think you just showed I haven't. This is his 8th season in league football.

His record in the Championship looks poor - Snowball can you confirm?

[Snowball]

I think you've got your numbers wrong?

I think you just showed I haven't. This is his 8th season in league football.

His record in the Championship looks poor - Snowball can you confirm?

He went to a relegation side that got relegated and the whole team scored 48 goals, top-scorer 10
He played half a season through injuries and got 3 goals. Hard to judge that one

This season he has played 645 minutes for 4 goals = 1 Goal every 161 Minutes and in (relatively) a struggling side.

[Snowball]

I think, realistically we have to exclude the bad two seasons,

23 (11) 2006-07 04 Goals Injury-ravaged season. Wolves bid 2M for him (rejected)
24 (10) 2007-08 03 Goals

a side and player in turmoil


24 (15) 2004-05 15 Goals AGED 18
28 (07) 2005-06 14 Goals AGED 19
50 (02) 2008-09 32 Goals AGED 22
29 (04) 2009-10 12 Goals AGED 23 Championship
06 (07) 2010-11 04 Goals AGED 24 Championship

137 (35) 12,870 Minutes for 77 Goals = 1 Goal every 167 Minutes

35 (11) 3,330 Minutes for 16 Goals (Most recent seasons) A Goal every 208 Minutes. Very Good



If he passes the medical and he looks mentally right, this is a player worth serious money

[Wycombe Royal]

I think you've got your numbers wrong?

I think you just showed I haven't. This is his 8th season in league football.

His record in the Championship looks poor - Snowball can you confirm?

He went to a relegation side that got relegated and the whole team scored 48 goals, top-scorer 10
He played half a season through injuries and got 3 goals. Hard to judge that one

This season he has played 645 minutes for 4 goals = 1 Goal every 161 Minutes and in (relatively) a struggling side.

Two of those goals were against Macclesfield. That is why I think it is better to concentrate on league goals as they are a better indication of how a player performs in league matches. And they are what we play most of.

His other two came in a 26 minute appearance. He came on the 54th minute, scored twice, and then got sent off in the 80th minute. Leicester lost 4-3.

[Wycombe Royal]

I think, realistically we have to exclude the bad two seasons

No we don't. THat si just being selective. We might as well exclude all of Shane Long's seasons that have been disrupted by few starts as well then.

At the end of the day he played those matches and they need to be included. The fact they were poor and might have been disrupted by injury can be used as part of a qualitative analysis but you can't start pick and choosing whaich seasons to include and which not to include.

Another way of being selective would be to exclude all his league one seasons and show how he performs in the Championship.

[Snowball]

Two of those goals were against Macclesfield. That is why I think it is better to concentrate on league goals as they are a better indication of how a player performs in league matches. And they are what we play most of.

His other two came in a 26 minute appearance. He came on the 54th minute, scored twice, and then got sent off in the 80th minute. Leicester lost 4-3.

Before his 86th minute goal in his 12th league game Doyle had only scored 2 versus Notts County...


He's an out-of-favour player in a messy side. Hard to judge this season. Use last season where you have a more settled team playing above itself

[Wycombe Royal]

Two of those goals were against Macclesfield. That is why I think it is better to concentrate on league goals as they are a better indication of how a player performs in league matches. And they are what we play most of.

His other two came in a 26 minute appearance. He came on the 54th minute, scored twice, and then got sent off in the 80th minute. Leicester lost 4-3.

Before his 86th minute goal in his 12th league game Doyle had only scored 2 versus Notts County...

Doyle? What's he got to do with this discussion about Fryatt?

I don't want to end up going down the same path as before with our "discussions" so please don't keep bringing in irrelevant comments like that. They add no value to what is being discussed.

I was merely pointing out that just saying that Fryatt has scored 4 goals in however many minutes is a bit misleading by adding some "qualitative" comments to the statistics. Number do not say everything and they need words to back them up.

[Snowball]

I think, realistically we have to exclude the bad two seasons

No we don't. THat si just being selective. We might as well exclude all of Shane Long's seasons that have been disrupted by few starts as well then.

At the end of the day he played those matches and they need to be included. The fact they were poor and might have been disrupted by injury can be used as part of a qualitative analysis but you can't start pick and choosing whaich seasons to include and which not to include.

Another way of being selective would be to exclude all his league one seasons and show how he performs in the Championship.

No it's NOT "being selective". It's discoverng a bit of histry.

Fryatt signed a three-and-a-half year deal with Leicester City for an undisclosed fee on 9 January 2006, while Walsall would receive a share of the profit should he be sold in future.[13] He was handed the number 12 shirt, which he also wore at Walsall. He made his debut in a 2–1 defeat to Sheffield Wednesday on 14 January, scoring his first goal in a 2–1 defeat to Cardiff City on 21 January. On 6 February 2006, Fryatt admitted he was a bit shocked when manager Craig Levein was sacked within 16 days of his arrival, after a run of poor results. Nonetheless, he still believed he made the right move from Walsall, even if Leicester suffer relegation.[14] He also pleaded to the board of directors to allow caretaker boss Rob Kelly to remain as manager until the end of the season.[15] Fryatt scored a total of six league goals, helping Leicester avoid relegation.[16] He ended their last home game of the season with a 1–0 win over Plymouth Argyle on 22 April.[17]

Fryatt was picked by the BBC as Leicester's key player for the 2006–07 season, remarking that he "has the attitude and talent to play in the Premiership."[18] However, he was plagued with injuries during that season,[19] suffering an ankle injury in October 2006 which sidelined him for over two weeks.[20] Fryatt was further frustrated by a foot problem during the second half of the season, forcing him to use an insole in his boots to take some of pressure away from his ankle.[21] Despite playing 34 competitive games, he scored only four goals, one of them in a 4–3 FA Cup defeat to Fulham.[22]

Fryatt nonetheless attracted interest from Wolves in July 2007, whose £2 million bid was turned down by then-manager Martin Allen because "the offer was nowhere near high enough."[23]


That's in the bad season!!!!

His form worsened in the 2007–08 season, scoring only 2 goals in 30 league games and receiving one red card as Leicester were relegated from the Championship.[24][25][26] One goal he did contribute however, gave Leicester a shock victory over Aston Villa in the League Cup on 26 September 2007.[27] He was even the transfer loan target of Nottingham Forest,[28] Leeds United[29] and Crewe Alexandra.[30]



Seems to me that this YOUNG MAN was suffering with injuries and took a long while to get right.


When someone has had quite a few excellent seasons and two oddly bad ones it's worth wondering why, wouldn't you think?


You could mistakenly look at Noel Hunt that way too

[Snowball]

Doyle? What's he got to do with this discussion about Fryatt? I don't want to end up going down the same path as before with our "discussions" so please don't keep bringing in irrelevant comments like that.
They add no value to what is being discussed. I was merely pointing out that just saying that Fryatt has scored 4 goals in however many minutes is a bit misleading by adding some "qualitative" comments to the statistics. Number do not say everything and they need words to back them up.

Goals are goals.

Doyle's total for this season is TREBLED by his two he got against lowly Notts County. Gylfi's total was improved by a goal against woeful Burton

A goal is a goal is a goal.

So, for me, Doyle is relevant. He became relevant when you dismissed 50% of Fryatt's goals in a trice.

[Wycombe Royal]

Selecting which seasons to use is being selective. Whatever the reasons. That is what words are for - you can then explain why his performance in certain seasons may not have been as good.

In nearly every topic you have posted stats in you have been accused of being selective. There is a reason for that.

If someone else is selective in posting some opposing stats to yours you have accused them of doing it in order to show that player in a bad light.

Best way - include everything and then explain what may have caused certain things such as a poorer performance rather than just excluding them for you own reasons.

Like I said, why not exclude all his league one appearances and all cup appearances and just present his stats for Championship games? That is the level he is being played at?

I'm sure we will move on to age and experience next and for that reason I'm out. I've made my point, and as usaul you will ignore it, because you THINK you know more than anyone else.

Just out interest, can you tell me which websites, papers, etc exclude injury ravaged seasons as STANDARD when calculating player stats? Or is this just your standard?

[Wycombe Royal]

Doyle? What's he got to do with this discussion about Fryatt? I don't want to end up going down the same path as before with our "discussions" so please don't keep bringing in irrelevant comments like that.
They add no value to what is being discussed. I was merely pointing out that just saying that Fryatt has scored 4 goals in however many minutes is a bit misleading by adding some "qualitative" comments to the statistics. Number do not say everything and they need words to back them up.

Goals are goals.

Doyle's total for this season is TREBLED by his two he got against lowly Notts County. Gylfi's total was improved by a goal against woeful Burton

A goal is a goal is a goal.

So, for me, Doyle is relevant. He became relevant when you dismissed 50% of Fryatt's goals in a trice.

But we aren't talking about Doyle so it is IRRELEVANT. We are talking about Fryatt. Doyle has absolutely nothing to do with it.

I'M OUT.

[Snowball]

A goal is a goal is a goal.

So, for me, Doyle is relevant. He became relevant when you dismissed 50% of Fryatt's goals in a trice.

But we aren't talking about Doyle so it is IRRELEVANT. We are talking about Fryatt. Doyle has absolutely nothing to do with it.

I'M OUT.[/quote]



I explained that. I got together appearances and goals. Nobody asked for "League Only" or "Championship only"

You had obviously "decided" Fryatt was gash. So did I when I looked at his bald statistics, but a kid that can get 14 & 15 goals in two separate seasons when just 18 & 19 must be special.

He then had two bad seasons, seasons seriously disrupted by injury and CLEARLY anomalous. he then had 32 in 50 (promoted) and 12 in 29 (Play-offs) and is doing OK this year.

You're accusing me of being selective despite the fact I was the first person to post his stats broken down, and posted them ALL

You then say, "Explain yourself" BUT I DID, AT THE TIME. I said I took them out because they were clearly "a bad time"

IMO YOUR statistics presented a very false picture of the player.

Hear this. Provided he's not on booze or drugs, he will do VERY well for a CCC club, at LEAST another 10 goals this season. Put that in your diary.