Paper Talk - Iain Dowie

[Plymouth_Royal]

although i am accurate in saying that Dowie has a very bad managerial record.

Oldham - did fine
Palace - did pretty well
Charlton - did badly
Coventry - did OK
QPR - did as well as any QPR manager is allowed to do !

It's a pretty ordinary record. Taken teams to playoffs and promotions, had a relegation. Spent time in the top flight, had some tough jobs.

It's not very bad, or even bad. it's nothing brilliant though. It's better than Darren Ferguson but not as good as Alex Ferguson.

He also did feck all.

[Sun Tzu]

It's better than Darren Ferguson

How in gods name do you work that out? Ferguson has had 2 BACK TO BACK promotions, and no relegations.

Dowie has taken a team to the Premiership. I'd rank that above two lower division promotions. He's also had a couple of playoff appearances and done well at more than one club. Personally I would say Dowie has a better CV than Ferguson's currently but that is no doubt as much due to Ferguson's youth as Dowie's ability ! But just basing it on what has actually happened I think it's harsh to say Dowie has a very bad record. He doesn't.

[Plymouth_Royal]

It's better than Darren Ferguson

How in gods name do you work that out? Ferguson has had 2 BACK TO BACK promotions, and no relegations.

Dowie has taken a team to the Premiership. I'd rank that above two lower division promotions. He's also had a couple of playoff appearances and done well at more than one club. Personally I would say Dowie has a better CV than Ferguson's currently but that is no doubt as much due to Ferguson's youth as Dowie's ability ! But just basing it on what has actually happened I think it's harsh to say Dowie has a very bad record. He doesn't.

Dowie started off at Oldham and got them to the play offs after spending heavily. When the club went skint he left for 'family reasons'.
He then took over at palace and tbf took them to 6th and eventually beating west ham in the play off final. He then got Palace relegated and failed to get them promoted after watford dumped them out of the play off semis. He left palace after a meeting with the chairman and 8 days later took over at charlton. he was given the biggest budget as manager in their history and still got them relegated.
He left by mutual consent and took over at coventry and did feck all. He then took over at QPR and after sitting 9th after 15 games was fired.

Read wikipedia if you want to see a more detailed version of Dowie's...'success'

[Sun Tzu]

Dowie has taken a team to the Premiership. I'd rank that above two lower division promotions. He's also had a couple of playoff appearances and done well at more than one club. Personally I would say Dowie has a better CV than Ferguson's currently but that is no doubt as much due to Ferguson's youth as Dowie's ability ! But just basing it on what has actually happened I think it's harsh to say Dowie has a very bad record. He doesn't.

Dowie started off at Oldham and got them to the play offs after spending heavily. When the club went skint he left for 'family reasons'.
He then took over at palace and tbf took them to 6th and eventually beating west ham in the play off final. He then got Palace relegated and failed to get them promoted after watford dumped them out of the play off semis. He left palace after a meeting with the chairman and 8 days later took over at charlton. he was given the biggest budget as manager in their history and still got them relegated.
He left by mutual consent and took over at coventry and did feck all. He then took over at QPR and after sitting 9th after 15 games was fired.

Read wikipedia if you want to see a more detailed version of Dowie's...'success'

I have.

And I'm assuming you are reposting that to show he doesn't have a 'very bad' managerial record,

[zummerset]

I wish we had snapped up Ollie Holloway when he was available.

[Plymouth_Royal]

Dowie has taken a team to the Premiership. I'd rank that above two lower division promotions. He's also had a couple of playoff appearances and done well at more than one club. Personally I would say Dowie has a better CV than Ferguson's currently but that is no doubt as much due to Ferguson's youth as Dowie's ability ! But just basing it on what has actually happened I think it's harsh to say Dowie has a very bad record. He doesn't.

Dowie started off at Oldham and got them to the play offs after spending heavily. When the club went skint he left for 'family reasons'.
He then took over at palace and tbf took them to 6th and eventually beating west ham in the play off final. He then got Palace relegated and failed to get them promoted after watford dumped them out of the play off semis. He left palace after a meeting with the chairman and 8 days later took over at charlton. he was given the biggest budget as manager in their history and still got them relegated.
He left by mutual consent and took over at coventry and did feck all. He then took over at QPR and after sitting 9th after 15 games was fired.

Read wikipedia if you want to see a more detailed version of Dowie's...'success'

I have.

And I'm assuming you are reposting that to show he doesn't have a 'very bad' managerial record,

Nope. Im posting it to show he's not right for the club and that 1 promotion via a 6th place play off spot doesn't constitute to a good successful manager. However, his record isn't 'very bad' as someone else posted on here.

[Sun Tzu]

Interesting to look at Coppell's record before he joined us. 2 promotions and 3 relegations. What did we ever see in him I wonder ?

Agree about Dowie though....

I have.

And I'm assuming you are reposting that to show he doesn't have a 'very bad' managerial record,

Nope. Im posting it to show he's not right for the club and that 1 promotion via a 6th place play off spot doesn't constitute to a good successful manager. However, his record isn't 'very bad' as someone else posted on here.

[Plymouth_Royal]

Interesting to look at Coppell's record before he joined us. 2 promotions and 3 relegations. What did we ever see in him I wonder ?

Agree about Dowie though....

I have.

And I'm assuming you are reposting that to show he doesn't have a 'very bad' managerial record,

Nope. Im posting it to show he's not right for the club and that 1 promotion via a 6th place play off spot doesn't constitute to a good successful manager. However, his record isn't 'very bad' as someone else posted on here.

Read the honours bit

Steve Coppell

Crystal Palace (as manager)

* FA Cup Runners up - 1990
* Football League Division One Play-offs - 1989, 1997
* Full Members Cup - 1991

Reading (as manager)

* Football League Championship - 2005-06
* LMA Manager of the Year - 2006, 2007
* FA Premier League Manager of the Month for September[16] and November 2006[17]

Also credited with the emergence of Ian Wright.

Iain Dowie

Honours

As a Manager

Promotions

* 2003–04: Division 1 Playoff Winner (promotion to The Premiership) - Crystal Palace


Looks a lot like that bloke off total recall who had a pcunt on his face.

[Sun Tzu]

I see what you've done in terms of spinning the respective records there Plymouth !!

[Victor Meldrew]

although i am accurate in saying that Dowie has a very bad managerial record.

Oldham - did fine
Palace - did pretty well
Charlton - did badly
Coventry - did OK
QPR - did as well as any QPR manager is allowed to do !

It's a pretty ordinary record. Taken teams to playoffs and promotions, had a relegation. Spent time in the top flight, had some tough jobs.

It's not very bad, or even bad. it's nothing brilliant though. It's better than Darren Ferguson but not as good as Alex Ferguson.

So a record for Dowie similar to what Pardew has achieved.
The obvious question (putting aside any Judas feelings) is "Would you offer Pardew the job Focher?"

[Plymouth_Royal]

I see what you've done in terms of spinning the respective records there Plymouth !!

[Southbank Old Boy]

I stil think Dowie would be alright

His record is pretty steady, Charlton apart, and he definately talks a good game when it comes to the finer details. whether he can get that over to our players and have the right impact is the question though

Focher, you keep saying he spent loads at Oldham but you still cant back that up. Granten, he spent a decent amount for the top end of that division, but as plenty of managers (inc Dowie at Charlton) have shown its not how much you spend but HOW you spend it

I think its all a waste of thought and bandwidth though as McD seems to have the job unless he cocks it up

[Plymouth_Royal]

I stil think Dowie would be alright

His record is pretty steady, Charlton apart, and he definately talks a good game when it comes to the finer details. whether he can get that over to our players and have the right impact is the question though

Focher, you keep saying he spent loads at Oldham but you still cant back that up. Granten, he spent a decent amount for the top end of that division, but as plenty of managers (inc Dowie at Charlton) have shown its not how much you spend but HOW you spend it

I think its all a waste of thought and bandwidth though as McD seems to have the job unless he cocks it up

Focher probably read what I have on wiki about Dowie spending loads at oldham, but it doesn't give a figure though.

[Focher]

although i am accurate in saying that Dowie has a very bad managerial record.

Oldham - did fine
Palace - did pretty well
Charlton - did badly
Coventry - did OK
QPR - did as well as any QPR manager is allowed to do !

It's a pretty ordinary record. Taken teams to playoffs and promotions, had a relegation. Spent time in the top flight, had some tough jobs.

It's not very bad, or even bad. it's nothing brilliant though. It's better than Darren Ferguson but not as good as Alex Ferguson.

So a record for Dowie similar to what Pardew has achieved.
The obvious question (putting aside any Judas feelings) is "Would you offer Pardew the job Focher?"

Of course i would not, his recent managerial record is utter rubbish. Wait a minute, something sounds familiar here, a little bit like Dowie.

[Southbank Old Boy]

I stil think Dowie would be alright

His record is pretty steady, Charlton apart, and he definately talks a good game when it comes to the finer details. whether he can get that over to our players and have the right impact is the question though

Focher, you keep saying he spent loads at Oldham but you still cant back that up. Granten, he spent a decent amount for the top end of that division, but as plenty of managers (inc Dowie at Charlton) have shown its not how much you spend but HOW you spend it

I think its all a waste of thought and bandwidth though as McD seems to have the job unless he cocks it up

Focher probably read what I have on wiki about Dowie spending loads at oldham, but it doesn't give a figure though.

Focher came up with a figure of 1.2m, which was about 150% more than the 450k that soccerbase suggests (I say suggests because its not always 100% reliable)

As I said, it was a fair amount for the division at the time, but they werent way ahead of anyone else, and they only spent that money on two players (Hill and Hall) so its not like he went on a buying spree to assemble a set of league 1 galaticos!!

[Focher]

i have since found out that the figure of £1.2m, as quoted in an article, was actually the amount the chairman spent in a season, but was spread between Ritchie/Wadsworth/Dowie, all 3 were manager in a short space of time, so to say Dowie solely spent that is incorrect.

[Southbank Old Boy]

It's also wrong on the count that Dowie didnt manage in the same season as the previous two

Are we agreed that Dowie didnt just buy success at Oldham then and that he deserves some credit for their play off season?

[Focher]

It's also wrong on the count that Dowie didnt manage in the same season as the previous two

Are we agreed that Dowie didnt just buy success at Oldham then and that he deserves some credit for their play off season?

yes he deserves 'some credit', but i would still not have him anywhere near this club. Anyone who gets sacked from 4 clubs, whatever the circumstances, cannot be that good, and certainly not right for Reading. he has not done anything positive for 5 years now.

Does Newcastle assistant make it 2 relegations?

[Southbank Old Boy]

Fair enough

I still think we could do much worse, and think he also did ok at Cov and QPR before boardroom stuff got in the way

We might be the settle club that could suit him!!!

[Plymouth_Royal]

Fair enough

I still think we could do much worse, and think he also did ok at Cov and QPR before boardroom stuff got in the way

We might be the settle club that could suit him!!!

Cov finished 17th when he was in charge.