SHOULD WE MOVE THE AWAY END?

[LWJ]

Move away fans to Y24/25/26 and make the North Stand safe standing

Keep Y24, Y25 & Y26 for those there already. Give the rest of the stadium to the away fans instead. Then we can treat it like an away game and we'll start winning again.

Why do we want 24/25/26? We don't make any noise there anyway - Do what cardiff do stick em in the corner under the screen, and then pen them in at the end

[melonhead]

Move the away fans to the North stand so the East Stand fans don't have to walk asound the ground at the end of the game.

anyone spot the obvious problem there......

currently the away fans who came on coaches don't have to walk round the stadium, but all the ones who drove-probably just as many-walk through the home fans to get to the carpark. if we moved the away end to the north stand, Shirley theyd just park the coaches round there instead, meaning none of them would be walking through home fans

[Nameless]

Not the problem I was thinking of....

Lack of parking space for a dozen coaches might be an issue at the North Stand though. Unless you kick,out all the home fans who park in the car park there (mostly disabled, sponsors etc)

[Royality creeps In]

Dont want any Riff Raff near the Northstand! Thank you very much.

[Woodcote Royal]

As a one time away STH, I wish this issue could be approached from the other side of the equation.

Typically, travelling fans get a sh*t deal and this, in my view, culminated in the accident waiting to happen that was Hillsborough. Frankly, Liverpool fans that day were forced into those pens with little less ceremony than holocaust victims into Belsen bound cattle trucks

I'm proud of the fact our club still gives away fans a fair deal in the form of half the North Stand and wish others were forced to do the same.

While the usual whingers belly ache about lack of atmosphere, nothing does more to get most stadiums rocking than a full and vociferous away end.

Why should away fans at St James Park need an oxygen mask to reach their seat whilst gleefully being told that the lift is "Out of order"

And, if it's still the same after all these years, why should travelling fans at Gillingham have to get soaked in an exposed temporary stand when all the other 3 sides of the ground are covered? There comes a point when the temporary becomes permanent and a club should be duty bound to make good or provide seating in other more hospitable areas.

The time to stop taking the p+ss out of away fans should have been and gone years ago but, sadly, I can't see things improving anytime soon

[Forbury Lion]

Traditionally visiting supporters would be behind one of the goals, but why?

Smaller stand as the width across the pitch is shorter than the width along the pitch.

I guess it also helps the manager/subs having "friendly" home fans behind them on the side-lines.

Realistically, I can't see anything changing unless someone can come up with a sound argument as to why it makes sense to spend all that money remodelling the layout.

[Nameless]

Typically, travelling fans get a sh*t deal and this, in my view, culminated in the accident waiting to happen that was Hillsborough. Frankly, Liverpool fans that day were forced into those pens with little less ceremony than holocaust victims into Belsen bound cattle trucks

Whilst your general point may be valid your choice of expression is completely inappropriate. Frankly it totally loses any support for the point......

And there is a difference between treating away fans fairly and locating them in an area that may (questionably) slightly reduce their impact.

[Woodcote Royal]

Typically, travelling fans get a sh*t deal and this, in my view, culminated in the accident waiting to happen that was Hillsborough. Frankly, Liverpool fans that day were forced into those pens with little less ceremony than holocaust victims into Belsen bound cattle trucks

Whilst your general point may be valid your choice of expression is completely inappropriate. Frankly it totally loses any support for the point......

Nearly 100 fans died that day and that, alone, should make the comparison appropriate.

If this offends those who live to be offended, I really couldn't give a fcuk.

[Nameless]

Nearly 100 fans died that day and that, alone, should make the comparison appropriate.

If this offends those who live to be offended, I really couldn't give a fcuk.

I'm not offended, I just think you are a being utterly stupid. Hillsboro was shocking, but if you think just because 92 people died due to gross negligence it in any way equates to genocide of millions taking place over years....
What's the rule called where invoking the Nazi's loses you the argument ?
You lose......

[Winchester Royal]

I'm not sure how choosing which blocks of an all seater stadium to locate away fans in to ensure their presence can't be felt has anything to do with concentration camps or Hillsborough. Why don't we put them in the B&Q car park and let them watch via a set of prisms, mirrors and lenses?

[LUX]

the fact our club still gives away fans a fair deal in the form of half the North Stand.

lolzwut

[Woodcote Royal]

Nearly 100 fans died that day and that, alone, should make the comparison appropriate.

If this offends those who live to be offended, I really couldn't give a fcuk.

I'm not offended, I just think you are a being utterly stupid. Hillsboro was shocking, but if you think just because 92 people died due to gross negligence it in any way equates to genocide of millions taking place over years....
What's the rule called where invoking the Nazi's loses you the argument ?
You lose......

FFS

It was a comparison with the way these people were herded onto trains as if they were cattle and therefore sub-human and most travelling fans have been subjected to similar treatment. Many of the 98 were dead before anyone realised anything was wrong despite their cries for help

It wasn't just gross negligence, it was the total disregard for people they deemed worthy of inferior treatment. That doesn't make them Nazis but it makes the comparison relevant. Who would deem it acceptable to lock fans in pens these days?

[Nameless]

The thread doesn't need diverting off into a discussion about whether football fans being mistreated equates to millions being murdered.
If you think your comparison is fair then that's your problem.
Sadly using rubbish comparisons means your start point gets lost. I'd agree that treating home and away fans with reasonable and equal respect makes complete sense. There is no need to destroy that by making unsustainable connections to much bigger issues.

EOD

[Woodcote Royal]

Thanks for reminding why I spend so little time here these days. Increasingly, I just can't be arsed.....

[Nameless]

Thanks for reminding why I spend so little time here these days. Increasingly, I just can't be arsed.....

You've reminded us why your lack of activity isn't really missed.

Take another long break.....

[bobby1413]

Can't you two just get along?

[Gordons Cumming]

There is no other place to put them.

End of thread.

[Woodcote Royal]

Thanks for reminding why I spend so little time here these days. Increasingly, I just can't be arsed.....

You've reminded us why your lack of activity isn't really missed.

Take another long break.....

What an utter pr*ck

[JIM]

YES PALMER PARK (WITH A BIG SCREEN)

[Martin41]

:D Hearing Federici being taunted by the home fans behind the goal at the Ipswich game for being pink, made me think again about where fans should be seated in grounds, particularly away fans. Obviously, Feds is used to being Oxforded by the home fans sitting behind him. He can take it, and all that. But are we missing a trick at the Mad Stad by not seating home fans behind the goalies at BOTH ends?

When we played Derby in the cup, it was very noticeable that we Reading fans had been shoved away in a corner, while the two ends behind the two goals were occupied by home fans. Just like the Ipswich fans yesterday, the Derby home fans were getting at Feds for this and that - and they were doing it at BOTH ends! To me it looked like a small but real advantage to have home fans behind the visiting goalie, putting them off all game.

I say that because IMHO, the Leeds fans who turned up in such impressive and noisy numbers for the game at that Mad Stad that we lost, were creating so much noise behind Feds in the second half that it must surely have affected him. That long shot from Murphy he let in, which seemed to come out of nowhere, was let in by a Feds who appeared distracted. I'm not saying it was only the Leeds fans making all that noise that caused the goal - but it can't have helped. Imagine having that lot baying down you neck.

So shouldn't we do what Derby have done, and move the away fans to a corner at the Mad Stad, leaving the actual goal-ends exclusively for home supporters? Then we can get at the visiting goalies in both halves! Simples.

No we should not, end of discussion........and the fact it's then not an away end.