What is the point in HRK

[Angry Shed Sex]

So the conclusion we're coming to is:

1. Snowball's gut feeling about was right - Long was a better player than some thought on Hob Nob.
2. However most statistics Snowball has used to back his argument up have been incorrect.
3. Some people on Hob Nob believe HRK could do considerably better.

So, we'll just have to wait another 5 years or so to see how HRK pans out.

[Snowball]

Long was quick, brave, hard, took knocks, would put his foot
or his head in where it could hurt.

You get that from "stats", we just don't call it stats.

You watch X games and see him being brave often. "Often" means we've recorded it a noticeable number of times

Contrast that with Church who had more raw skill but not the guts or desire (relatively)


The problem with so-called gut-feeling is that it tends to over-emphasise the bigger things, the great goal (or important goal) or the terrible error. it's "flash-n-trash" (c) most punters note, not the less-exciting stuff. And let's not forget that we must have at least one scapegoat, someone to criticise so we can pretend we have lives that are worth 50p


But the LONG predictions were based on actual stats, on goals per minutes played. Numpties were talking about "appearances" when often these were 2-3-4-5 minutes at the end of a game. I went by total minutes, and let's not forget that as long ago as January/February 2009 I made my predictions (and was ridiculed). I also put my money where my mouth was and had £25 each-way on Long at 25-1 to be top scorer when he was a dozen goals behind the number one spot.

[Angry Shed Sex]

Appearances for a striker are important though. The 10 minutes at the end, when the opposition back 4 are tired is a valid consideration and will skew unfairly the goals statistic.

I guess it's just a pity I can't put a selective ignore on some of your stats, as others appear balanced.

Maybe I can - it's simply called not commenting on them.

[Ian Royal]

Appearances for a striker are important though. The 10 minutes at the end, when the opposition back 4 are tired is a valid consideration and will skew unfairly the goals statistic.

I guess it's just a pity I can't put a selective ignore on some of your stats, as others appear balanced.

Maybe I can - it's simply called not commenting on them.

I'm not sure that's all that important as you'll get it balanced a little by strikers coming on in some games where the match is over and their team mates aren't really looking to score any more.

I'd focus more on 18 spells of 10 minutes being more open to the data being skewed by anomalous performance than 2 spells of 90 minutes. It's just not really comparable. One circumstance has 2 opposition teams and defences of certain quality and circumstance, whilst another has 18 different teams and defences.

Rather than extrapolate one into the other pretending its reliable, better to focus on headline figures know it's a bit misleading (showing the sub appearances), or separate out sub and starting appearance altogether.

IMO.

I still think HRK needs some fresh surroundings. He'll then either bomb and disappear quickly or sort himself out and crack on nicely.

[Snowball]

Appearances for a striker are important though. The 10 minutes at the end, when the opposition back 4 are tired is a valid consideration and will skew unfairly the goals statistic.


Only if the striker is good enough, and the side is still going for a goal (they might be cruising at 3-0 and seeing the game out)

Way back when I did all the stats on Shane he had about two dozen "appearances" which were less than 5 minutes.

Plus in the first few seasons he would be brought on merely to chase around and occupy the other side's defence rather than be searching for another goal

[Deadlock]

With respect to the title, obviously his point is to distract Israeli defenders by missing flick-ons, allowing Aaron Ramsey to score from Gareth Bale headers.

[Snowball]

With respect to the title, obviously his point is to distract Israeli defenders by missing flick-ons, allowing Aaron Ramsey to score from Gareth Bale headers.

Shhhh!


(Not much of a secret-agent, are you?)

[Za Vas]

J wept, this thread is a car crash.

[readingandProud]

hals ok leave him alone hes a better footballpleyer than all u guys

[Ian Royal]

hals ok leave him alone hes a better footballpleyer than all u guys

In my case, so is horseshit.

[readingandProud]

hals ok leave him alone hes a better footballpleyer than all u guys

In my case, so is horseshit.

hahaha alrigth alright yeh

[theresayakonthepitch]

Saw at least 3 opportunities for him to accidentally tread on Ramsey tonight. Missed them all.

[Haag Royal]

Sadly tonight proved yet agin that he can play in a red shirt but struggles to make any consistent impact in the blue hooped shirt.

[bcubed]

J wept, this thread is a car crash.

You're not wrong there

[Snowball]

Sadly tonight proved yet agin that he can play in a red shirt but struggles to make any consistent impact in the blue hooped shirt.

Didn't see the game, but this seems to be a constant theme.

In all seriousness, why would this be the case?


(a) He just can't be bothered when playing for RFC?

(b) He needs to be surrounded by higher quality players to produce his best?

(c) Coleman is a better manager and/or man-manager?

(d) His confidence when playing for Reading is shot?

(e) His role is different for the Welsh team and it suits him?

(f) Any other (serious) ideas?

[3points]

f) he plays better at a higher level (as seemed to be the case when he played well for us in the Prem)

Appears he was playing as a centre forward last night

[notloyalenuffroyal]

Apparently he gave one of his semi-final tickets to Dave Royal.

The other 39000 he gave to the Arsenal fans.

[tidus_mi2]

He played alongside Gareth Bale, I'm sure he could make me look like a pretty decent footballer if I played alongside him.

Or, alternatively I'll look much worse than I already am and I haven't even picked up the bar, much less set it.

[Haag Royal]

I actually think he plays when it suits him. CBA half the time.

I've noticed that he is often in the pics with the goalscorer as quick as a flash a la Beckham. Has a reputation for last 10 minutes consolation goal specialist but I am sure the stats would prove me wrong.

[Steve_Upper_West]

f) he plays better at a higher level (as seemed to be the case when he played well for us in the Prem)

Appears he was playing as a centre forward last night

Agreed (f) ......... he likes the Big Stage

Will probably score a hat-trick against Arsenal