by South Coast Royal »
08 Dec 2020 19:45
Snowflake Royal andrew1957 Nameless
It wasn’t started by Kaepernick.
There was a discussion on the radio earlier and it goes way back beyond that, around 200 years and to England.
The symbolism from the USA was very clear. It was done during the playing of the National Anthem and was a peaceful but visible means of someone saying ‘I am excluded from this’.
Here it is slightly different as we don’t really venerate the anthem but it is still a simple and symbolic gesture of unity.
I’ve not heard of any players specifically opting out but wouldn’t Have a problem if, like Billy or James Maclean they articulated why. You would think this has been the subject of discussion in all dressing rooms and players have bought in to the fact that it’s not political, it’s not divisive, it’s not even particularly controversial. It would be interesting to witness a conversation between (say) Liam Moore and a team mate if the team mate said ‘I’m not doing it, you’re just a Marxist police hating statue smashing black bloke and I disagree that you are as good as me’.
I find it somewhat odd that it is felt more pressing to honour a made up deity than to stand up for equality between people. I am sure your god is big enough to let you use the same gesture to big him up and to express support for your fellow man. If he’s that much of an egotist that he insists you reserve a special pose for him then maybe he’s not worth the time ?
Genuinely interested where taking the knee comes from if 200 years ago. I just cannot find anything on it prior to Kaepernick.
Not sure I agree about the made up deity bit. Each to their own, but I have been miraculously healed twice - once over 20 years ago when I was told I would spend the rest of my life in a wheelchair in agony due to the base of my spine completely wearing away, but was healed instantaneously and I have lived a pain free life since and secondly after I was told I had 3-6 months to live with terminal cancer in May 2017. I refused all treatment, discharged myself from NHS care and yet was cancer free within 6 months. I doubt God will be punishing anyone for taking the knee but I hope this explains why being referential to Him is important to me. I don't see any need to follow the crowd and make a gesture just because we are pressured to do so - especially as I said earlier when I don't understand where that gesture originates.
Fantastic to hear about your fortune with recovery andrew. I'll not be accepting your God hypothesis over mis-diagnosis or normal spontaneous healing though, and I'm with Nameless really. And if you're God is real, given all that goes on and those he doesn't help, I'll still be lining up alongside with the rebels against him.
I know quite a few who are believers even if I am not one so I respect their faith.
Generally (apart of course from the Roman Catholic Church) Christian churches and their members do more good than harm so it feels a bit trite to mock the faith.
Many of you on here watch films about ghosts, ghouls,spooks and extra-terrestial stuff which are generally nonsense IMHO and yet might choose to criticise Andrew for his belief which he feels led to his recoveries.
Glad to hear that you are now doing ok and IIRC there was a time when you had blind faith in what certain managers were doing at our club-the way things are going this season I might be tempted to adopt that particular faith.