MATCHWATCH : Mansfield Town (h)

[traff]

[quote="RoyalBlue"][quote="Snowflake Royal"][quote="windermereROYAL"]Do we have goal line technology in L1? because their shot

Apparently the EFL in their wisdom (of which they display very little) have decreed that goal line technology is not to be used in L1 & L2 as not all clubs have it installed. Bizarrely they seem to think it would be unfair to use it at some grounds and not others!


And yet they take the opposite view when it comes to their cup competition. go figure!

[Dirk Gently]

Costs about £250k to install and then about £4k a game to run. That's £92k per club per season, which for the likes of Accrington, Burton, Stevenage, Exeter etc is a substantial sum.

a line has to be drawn somewhere, they've decided it's after tier 2.

[URZZZZ]

Mansfield had some decent chances beyond their goal and the goal ruled offside looked very tight - albeit I was down the other end of the stadium.

We weren’t great today, so many individual errors, but I wonder how much the very strong wind impacted us. We seemed to be playing more passes on the ground than usual, Wing especially.

I would have thought playing it on the ground would be better than aimless long balls down the flanks or up to a small striker being marked by 2 6 ft+ defenders. I don't think that's all Wing has got in his locker. Get him up the pitch to do some damage.

For all the quality Wing has, think there’s a reason he is where is is

Not strong enough defensively (his “effort” for their goal on Saturday) and looks lost higher up the pitch

Technically he’s far good for this league but he’s a dilemma tactically

[URZZZZ]

Not been impressed by Kyreewa (probably spelled that wrong) and the sooner we have Paudie and Williams back, the better. Think it's time to drop Ahmed too.

Whilst I dislike the stockpiling of average loan players - there’s also an element where we’re rushed into judging players based off of a cup game or two

Ahmed was excellent at Portsmouth but it’s a completely different environment to a league game and it’s evident that for all of his endeavour, his finesse and all round play just isn’t quite there yet

[leon]

Mansfield had some decent chances beyond their goal and the goal ruled offside looked very tight - albeit I was down the other end of the stadium.

We weren’t great today, so many individual errors, but I wonder how much the very strong wind impacted us. We seemed to be playing more passes on the ground than usual, Wing especially.

I would have thought playing it on the ground would be better than aimless long balls down the flanks or up to a small striker being marked by 2 6 ft+ defenders. I don't think that's all Wing has got in his locker. Get him up the pitch to do some damage.

For all the quality Wing has, think there’s a reason he is where is is

Not strong enough defensively (his “effort” for their goal on Saturday) and looks lost higher up the pitch

Technically he’s far good for this league but he’s a dilemma tactically

Well then putting him as last midfielder at the base in front of the defence is madness? Savage would be more effective.

Lost further up the pitch? Not sure about that at all. He would need support from the other 2 yes, but he would be in a position to bring the front 3 more into the game.

plus we can always tailor the tactics for hone and away

[URZZZZ]

I would have thought playing it on the ground would be better than aimless long balls down the flanks or up to a small striker being marked by 2 6 ft+ defenders. I don't think that's all Wing has got in his locker. Get him up the pitch to do some damage.

For all the quality Wing has, think there’s a reason he is where is is

Not strong enough defensively (his “effort” for their goal on Saturday) and looks lost higher up the pitch

Technically he’s far good for this league but he’s a dilemma tactically

Well then putting him as last midfielder at the base in front of the defence is madness? Savage would be more effective.

Lost further up the pitch? Not sure about that at all. He would need support from the other 2 yes, but he would be in a position to bring the front 3 more into the game.

plus we can always tailor the tactics for hone and away

Probably the reason we’ve gone from one at the base of midfield to two. His defensive shortcomings have been magnified since Mbengue and Bindon have gone (although I do think Burns and Williams have done well on the whole)

May be wrong but thought he played quite high up in the first half on Saturday and was poor. Few times he dawdled on the edge of their box and lost it. Not advocating for him to play between our CB’s but just don’t see a role for him as an advanced midfielder

Which is where we have a conundrum as to how he best fits in. Not too dissimilar to when Norwood was here in that he was clearly a very good player but didn’t always suit the overall team

[Hound]

Not been impressed by Kyreewa (probably spelled that wrong) and the sooner we have Paudie and Williams back, the better. Think it's time to drop Ahmed too.

Whilst I dislike the stockpiling of average loan players - there’s also an element where we’re rushed into judging players based off of a cup game or two

Ahmed was excellent at Portsmouth but it’s a completely different environment to a league game and it’s evident that for all of his endeavour, his finesse and all round play just isn’t quite there yet

I really like Ahmed and he has great potential…but he’s 17

It’s not like last year when we had little choice to play Garcia and he was about the best option despite his flaws that we had

It’s not the case this year. Abrefa has been fine. There’s no need to rush Ahmed to the point where we need to drop him because he’s regularly costing us or his own progress stops. Take him out now and play Abrefa.

We’ve Ahmed for at least one more year, phase him in sensibly. It’s not slight on him - just the best for all parties

[South Coast Royal]

Not been impressed by Kyreewa (probably spelled that wrong) and the sooner we have Paudie and Williams back, the better. Think it's time to drop Ahmed too.

Whilst I dislike the stockpiling of average loan players - there’s also an element where we’re rushed into judging players based off of a cup game or two

Ahmed was excellent at Portsmouth but it’s a completely different environment to a league game and it’s evident that for all of his endeavour, his finesse and all round play just isn’t quite there yet

I really like Ahmed and he has great potential…but he’s 17

It’s not like last year when we had little choice to play Garcia and he was about the best option despite his flaws that we had

It’s not the case this year. Abrefa has been fine. There’s no need to rush Ahmed to the point where we need to drop him because he’s regularly costing us or his own progress stops. Take him out now and play Abrefa.

We’ve Ahmed for at least one more year, phase him in sensibly. It’s not slight on him - just the best for all parties

I think the same comment applies to Garcia.
The trouble is that Andy Yiadom, who we gave a new contract to , is never fit otherwise he would be there.

[Snowflake Royal]

For all the quality Wing has, think there’s a reason he is where is is

Not strong enough defensively (his “effort” for their goal on Saturday) and looks lost higher up the pitch

Technically he’s far good for this league but he’s a dilemma tactically

Well then putting him as last midfielder at the base in front of the defence is madness? Savage would be more effective.

Lost further up the pitch? Not sure about that at all. He would need support from the other 2 yes, but he would be in a position to bring the front 3 more into the game.

plus we can always tailor the tactics for hone and away

Probably the reason we’ve gone from one at the base of midfield to two. His defensive shortcomings have been magnified since Mbengue and Bindon have gone (although I do think Burns and Williams have done well on the whole)

May be wrong but thought he played quite high up in the first half on Saturday and was poor. Few times he dawdled on the edge of their box and lost it. Not advocating for him to play between our CB’s but just don’t see a role for him as an advanced midfielder

Which is where we have a conundrum as to how he best fits in. Not too dissimilar to when Norwood was here in that he was clearly a very good player but didn’t always suit the overall team

I think the argument to push Wing higher is largely a case of absence from a position makes a player seem better in it. We're not doing great, Wing has quality, so Wing must be better in a different position.

I just don’t see it from the way he plays, as I've argued many times, I don't think moving him forward will work.

Last season when he was pushed back, we were all surprised by it and it did seem to effect him, with far fewer of those long range efforts and goals. But by the end of the season he was back to still getting those chances and still is.

Elliott and Doyle have both shown promise in that advanced role, but haven't really delivered, and at times have played quite badly.

I don’t think you can ask Savage to sit in front of the defence and just defend. His best attribute is his atheleticism and the ground he can cover, aiding the forward press.

The wide players are also not really making the difference they need.

I just don't see Wing as the problem.

[leon]

For all the quality Wing has, think there’s a reason he is where is is

Not strong enough defensively (his “effort” for their goal on Saturday) and looks lost higher up the pitch

Technically he’s far good for this league but he’s a dilemma tactically

Well then putting him as last midfielder at the base in front of the defence is madness? Savage would be more effective.

Lost further up the pitch? Not sure about that at all. He would need support from the other 2 yes, but he would be in a position to bring the front 3 more into the game.

plus we can always tailor the tactics for hone and away

Probably the reason we’ve gone from one at the base of midfield to two. His defensive shortcomings have been magnified since Mbengue and Bindon have gone (although I do think Burns and Williams have done well on the whole)

May be wrong but thought he played quite high up in the first half on Saturday and was poor. Few times he dawdled on the edge of their box and lost it. Not advocating for him to play between our CB’s but just don’t see a role for him as an advanced midfielder

Which is where we have a conundrum as to how he best fits in. Not too dissimilar to when Norwood was here in that he was clearly a very good player but didn’t always suit the overall team

If he pushes up the shape needs to be adjusted. If he really is one of the best midfielders in L1 the team needs to built to maximise that. Not sure lurking behind the CBs at times is the way to do that.