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Re: Swift to... Southampton
Posted: 03 Jul 2020 09:24
by Hound
I think Swift would be fine at Sheff U or Leeds
He is lower-prem quality imo, no doubts about it. His fitness has improved massively this year. I'm not really on board with the 'he is the same as Ejaria and Olise'. He is a much more rounded player at this point in time.
Re: Swift to... Southampton
Posted: 03 Jul 2020 10:33
by Snowflake Royal
Hound wrote:I think Swift would be fine at Sheff U or Leeds
He is lower-prem quality imo, no doubts about it. His fitness has improved massively this year. I'm not really on board with the 'he is the same as Ejaria and Olise'. He is a much more rounded player at this point in time.
Agree on rounded, his stamina is fine, but I just don't think he can cover the ground at the pace they play.
Re: Swift to... Southampton
Posted: 03 Jul 2020 10:57
by SCIAG
Yeah £5m would be disappointing after the sorts of fees Hammond used to get but in the current climate might be the best we can get.
Re: Swift to... Southampton
Posted: 03 Jul 2020 11:03
by WestYorksRoyal
SCIAG wrote:Yeah £5m would be disappointing after the sorts of fees Hammond used to get but in the current climate might be the best we can get.
Hammond was a genius. £500k for Hughes. £3m for post-ACL Sonko. How much did we get for Blackman off the back of a 10 game purple patch?
Re: Swift to... Southampton
Posted: 03 Jul 2020 11:05
by SCIAG
Was it £5.5m for Matt Mills as well?
Re: Swift to... Southampton
Posted: 03 Jul 2020 11:09
by Sutekh
WestYorksRoyal wrote:SCIAG wrote:Yeah £5m would be disappointing after the sorts of fees Hammond used to get but in the current climate might be the best we can get.
Hammond was a genius. £500k for Hughes. £3m for post-ACL Sonko. How much did we get for Blackman off the back of a 10 game purple patch?
It was £3.1m wasn’t it?
Re: Swift to... Southampton
Posted: 03 Jul 2020 13:35
by Lower West
Snowflake Royal wrote:Hound wrote:I think Swift would be fine at Sheff U or Leeds
He is lower-prem quality imo, no doubts about it. His fitness has improved massively this year. I'm not really on board with the 'he is the same as Ejaria and Olise'. He is a much more rounded player at this point in time.
Agree on rounded, his stamina is fine, but I just don't think he can cover the ground at the pace they play.
Norwood lacks pace. Yet is perfectly adequate.
Re: Swift to... Southampton
Posted: 03 Jul 2020 13:41
by Snowflake Royal
Lower West wrote:Snowflake Royal wrote:Hound wrote:I think Swift would be fine at Sheff U or Leeds
He is lower-prem quality imo, no doubts about it. His fitness has improved massively this year. I'm not really on board with the 'he is the same as Ejaria and Olise'. He is a much more rounded player at this point in time.
Agree on rounded, his stamina is fine, but I just don't think he can cover the ground at the pace they play.
Norwood lacks pace. Yet is perfectly adequate.
I think Norwood can cover a lot more ground than Swift can and whilst he isn't pacey I reckon he's got better acceleration than Swift.
Norwood's just a cut above him in basically every way.
Re: Swift to... Southampton
Posted: 03 Jul 2020 14:21
by leon
Snowflake Royal wrote:Lower West wrote:Snowflake Royal wrote:
Agree on rounded, his stamina is fine, but I just don't think he can cover the ground at the pace they play.
Norwood lacks pace. Yet is perfectly adequate.
I think Norwood can cover a lot more ground than Swift can and whilst he isn't pacey I reckon he's got better acceleration than Swift.
Norwood's just a cut above him in basically every way.
Yeah - he also plays, I think, in a role that means he has the space to see the pitch and distribute the ball. Swift could do a similar thing, Leeds are another matter altogether. Unless RFC's training and conditioning is 3rd rate he'd absolutely die on his arse at Leeds.
A kind of Kitson at Stoke situation (square peg - very un square hole)
Re: Swift to... Southampton
Posted: 03 Jul 2020 14:47
by SCIAG
I remembered earlier that John Fleck has been a success at United so upon reflection I think Swift would be fine there.
Think Norwood is under less pressure to run as he’s their answer to Pirlo or Carrick. But I’ve never thought of Swift as particularly slow - he just isn’t very “busy”.
Re: Swift to... Southampton
Posted: 03 Jul 2020 14:48
by Hound
leon wrote:Snowflake Royal wrote:Lower West wrote:
Norwood lacks pace. Yet is perfectly adequate.
I think Norwood can cover a lot more ground than Swift can and whilst he isn't pacey I reckon he's got better acceleration than Swift.
Norwood's just a cut above him in basically every way.
Yeah - he also plays, I think, in a role that means he has the space to see the pitch and distribute the ball. Swift could do a similar thing, Leeds are another matter altogether. Unless RFC's training and conditioning is 3rd rate he'd absolutely die on his arse at Leeds.
A kind of Kitson at Stoke situation (square peg - very un square hole)
dunno. Dont see Pablo hernandez or even Kalvin Phillips running that much. Assume he'd be a replacement for Hernandez
Re: Swift to... Southampton
Posted: 03 Jul 2020 16:34
by Zip
Snowflake Royal wrote:Notts Royal wrote:SCIAG wrote:I don’t think either of the touted moves would be good for him and the fees being talked about are derisory.
Swift is three times the player that Sawyers is - literally. In 126 matches for Brentford Sawyers scored six goals. In 127 games for us Swift has scored 18 goals. In 27 games for Brentford Swift scored 7 goals. You couldn’t get a better illustration of the gulf in quality between them. Sawyers is an Ejaria level player.
So if Sawyers and Ejaria are worth ~£3m then we should be asking for ~£9m for Swift.
If Swift was worth £9m pre-Covid, he’s worth £6m now I reckon. Still a lot more than the £3.5m but I reckon £5m would do it
Yeah, hope for £9m but £5m would be ok.
He's got an injury history afterall.
He’s been fit throughout this season and managed a good number of games in the previous three seasons so his injury history is pretty good.
Re: Swift to... Southampton
Posted: 03 Jul 2020 18:14
by Snowflake Royal
Zip wrote:Snowflake Royal wrote:Notts Royal wrote:
If Swift was worth £9m pre-Covid, he’s worth £6m now I reckon. Still a lot more than the £3.5m but I reckon £5m would do it
Yeah, hope for £9m but £5m would be ok.
He's got an injury history afterall.
He’s been fit throughout this season and managed a good number of games in the previous three seasons so his injury history is pretty good.
That hamstring(?) Injury really oxf*rd him up though. Niggles for a while and he had to learn how to change how he runs. And he's certainly not looked as spritely since to me.
Re: Swift to... Southampton
Posted: 20 Jul 2020 10:06
by genome
On the verge of completing move to Sheff United for £3.5m
Re: Swift to... Southampton
Posted: 20 Jul 2020 10:07
by Pepe the Horseman
Fcuking shambles if he goes for anything less than £5m. And even that would be a joke.
Re: Swift to... Southampton
Posted: 20 Jul 2020 10:11
by WestYorksRoyal
Poor price. We must really be desperate.
Re: Swift to... Southampton
Posted: 20 Jul 2020 10:16
by Old Man Andrews
Swift turns up once in 10 games, he isn't anywhere near consistent enough to go for a huge fee. Either way it is great to get him off the wage bill.
Re: Swift to... Southampton
Posted: 20 Jul 2020 10:19
by Hendo
Would be disappointed if that was the final figure.
But if it is £3.5m upfront with, lets say another £1.5m in instalments over 2 years and sell on %, it wouldn't be the worst deal in the world.
Re: Swift to... Southampton
Posted: 20 Jul 2020 10:19
by Snowflake Royal
3/4s of a good season in three years. Hollywood player who slows us down and too often disappoints.
We need to cut the wage bill and bring in some money. And he's got to be one of the more expensive players. Too many players in his position at the club.
£3.5m is the bottom end of acceptable, but in the current climate it's tolerable.
He's no Norwood that's for damn sure.
Re: Swift to... Southampton
Posted: 20 Jul 2020 10:22
by Hound
Hendo wrote:Would be disappointed if that was the final figure.
But if it is £3.5m upfront with, lets say another £1.5m in instalments over 2 years and sell on %, it wouldn't be the worst deal in the world.
yeah, suspect there will be some sort of add ons. 5-6m all in seems about right
I'm a big fan but he hasnt been too good since the lockdown. It will save us a ton in wages and put a bit of money in the bank.
Its the right time in his career for him to go, so good luck to him