BFTG - Ipswich

[Royal Lady]

See my post further back about blinkered fans TBM. Some of our fans make me weep

[AthleticoSpizz]

Think that the MaccyD/Guthrie thing was done to death months ago.

Personally, I dont like the guy (in a Matt Mills kind've way).

We move on

[LoyalRoyalFan]

Because some people are blinkered and won't give credit where it's due cos a player once reacted badly to not being included in the team - allegedly. McD handled him appallingly, tho I say so myself. He gave 100% yesterday and he impressed me when he was given chances last season.

Forgot how you were at the training ground every day.

[AthleticoSpizz]

and failed to "impress" anybody much last season RL

Sh1t or bust for him this season


...hope he makes it

[melonhead]

not getting the guthrie love in. his passing was wayward at best and still too many mistakes and strops for my liking - still two moments of class driving forward did lift the crowd. .

100% agreed. Did less than nothing first half except give easy ball away and moaning. Tbf he improved massively 2nd half, and the extra effort from him and Roy was key in getting the win,but I was/am amazed to hear he was mom

Really? IMO he was quite clearly MOM - in 1st & 2nd half. He did ping a few out of play but nearly every one almost came off - he had the right idea & was always looking for an incisive pass I thought.

On yesterday's showing he'd be the first name on the team sheet.

yep really. Gave countless easy ball away, and moaned at other players a lot. I'm sure he was key in the second half.he upped his game, and forced his presence onto the game, I was impressed. He put a massive shift in and was involved in everything,all over the pitch. But he was last seasons Guthrie in the first half.
More of the 2nd half Guthrie and I'm sure he'll get a mom from me. This week I thought mcleary was the most creative and influential player across the whole 90 mins.

[P!ssed Off]

100% agreed. Did less than nothing first half except give easy ball away and moaning. Tbf he improved massively 2nd half, and the extra effort from him and Roy was key in getting the win,but I was/am amazed to hear he was mom

Really? IMO he was quite clearly MOM - in 1st & 2nd half. He did ping a few out of play but nearly every one almost came off - he had the right idea & was always looking for an incisive pass I thought.

On yesterday's showing he'd be the first name on the team sheet.

yep really. Gave countless easy ball away, and moaned at other players a lot. I'm sure he was key in the second half.he upped his game, and forced his presence onto the game, I was impressed. He put a massive shift in and was involved in everything,all over the pitch. But he was last seasons Guthrie in the first half.
More of the 2nd half Guthrie and I'm sure he'll get a mom from me. This week I thought mcleary was the most creative and influential player across the whole 90 mins.

I didn't see McCleary do anything for the first 40 mins. Did he do anything specific that you can think of in the first 40 mins?
Then he got an assist and a had a decent shot just before half time, but really before that I didn't think he was that involved.
Just before half time and second half he was very good though.

[leon]

All the wing threat came from Mccleary who will be a big player for us this season. Agree with brendy that 1st half Guthrie was shit, 2nd half he pulled his socks up. However he was still giving the ball away too much with overly ambitious diagonal 40 yrd passes. Drenthe showed some flashes but looks overweight to me. Give it a month and I think we will see a really dangerous midfield.

[AthleticoSpizz]

agree

and at the moment, it is just a formation team.....we dont really know who we will have playing for us after August 31st

[Drew_3]

well it's refreshing to see people argue over who was more influential (I am aware that you are also saying X did nothing for 40 mins or Y was terrible in the 1st half, so it's not all good, but still)

As for the comment about it being a formation team at present, the most pleasing aspect of that is (touch wood) we won't be loosing anyone we don't want to and will hopefully add 1-2 that we do want.

[Avon Royal]

Guthrie 1 McDermott Apologists 0.

[AthleticoSpizz]

thats a lot of wages and your ticket money thatsgone under the bridge

[mambo3]

I will be honest and say we were slighly better than last season but we still cannot hold on to the ball for a long period and we still hoof the ball. I watched WIGAN + QPR on the box and i am worried for us. The championship is not going to be as easy as some people think and i dont think we can buy our way back into the Premiership The most dangerous Reading Players in the game yesterday was Jay Tabb and he was playing for Ipswich and Macarthy saving our skins. I say it again bring on the kids they have the desire and they definatly have the Technique and flair to make an impact. Why was Jordan Obita not given "time on the pitch" where is Dominic Samuel? How do you get experience keeping the subs seat warm. I wont question the Reading Players commitment but take a risk and bring in some fresh blood from the academy rather then just talking about it. In my day once you got through your apprentiship in any job and started as a skilled worker you either "sank or swam", no difference i believe.

[LoyalRoyalFan]

Guthrie 1 McDermott Apologists 0.

[P!ssed Off]

I will be honest and say we were slighly better than last season but we still cannot hold on to the ball for a long period and we still hoof the ball. I watched WIGAN + QPR on the box and i am worried for us. The championship is not going to be as easy as some people think and i dont think we can buy our way back into the Premiership The most dangerous Reading Players in the game yesterday was Jay Tabb and he was playing for Ipswich and Macarthy saving our skins. I say it again bring on the kids they have the desire and they definatly have the Technique and flair to make an impact. Why was Jordan Obita not given "time on the pitch" where is Dominic Samuel? How do you get experience keeping the subs seat warm. I wont question the Reading Players commitment but take a risk and bring in some fresh blood from the academy rather then just talking about it. In my day once you got through your apprentiship in any job and started as a skilled worker you either "sank or swam", no difference i believe.

First game of the season. Give it a rest about the youth and apprenticeships. (yawn)

And I do wish people would stfu about Reading fans being too optimistic blah blah blah.
ALL the neutrals rate Reading as one of the favourites for promotion/the title. I was reading FFT Season Preview the other day, Prediction for Reading: 1st.

[Ian Royal]

I will be honest and say we were slighly better than last season but we still cannot hold on to the ball for a long period and we still hoof the ball. I watched WIGAN + QPR on the box and i am worried for us. The championship is not going to be as easy as some people think and i dont think we can buy our way back into the Premiership

No offence, but QPR and Wigan had somewhat easier opposition than we did. Ipswich finished well last season and have done decent business over the summer. Barnsley are one of the relegation favourites and went down to 10 men, Sheffield Weds finished 18th last year.

I say it again bring on the kids they have the desire and they definatly have the Technique and flair to make an impact. Why was Jordan Obita not given "time on the pitch" where is Dominic Samuel? How do you get experience keeping the subs seat warm.

Because they aren't as good as those ahead of them.

In my day once you got through your apprentiship in any job and started as a skilled worker you either "sank or swam", no difference i believe.

Well in your day the approach to training was pretty shit then. Thankfully, your day is long gone you dinosaur.

[Avon Royal]

Guthrie 1 McDermott Apologists 0.

That told me.

[Avon Royal]

Look if Reading had a more, for want of a better word, committed fans rather than a nice middle class, synchronised clapping, two team supporting fanbase then I dare say it would've required far more for Guthrie to do to be forgiven for his actions. According to the Post's sports reporter he himself has admitted he thought he'd have had to do a lot more than he has done to gain trust again.

If he has a good consistent season then I may consider forgiving him but right now he still hasn't done enough.

Forgive him for what exactly - has he killed someone?

He undermined the beloved Brian - to some people that is worse than killing someone.

[The Real Sandhurst Royal]

A lot of praise for Guthrie on this thread which I can understand.

He he was in the game, working hard in midfield for the team, scored a great goal, yet his passing and distribution at times was very poor as he continually tried to hit the 30 yard cross field glory ball which was cut out by the Ipswich defence instead of laying off a simple pass.

[melonhead]

Where were you last season? McD didn't play him and he got the arse. It was then reported that he refused to travel. McD was quoted as saying he needed to sort his head out. Guthrie made a public apology - mcD, having bought him in, gave him little chance in the team. When he did play, and under Adkins mostly, I could see he could be a real asset to us. The "allegedly" I wrote is to do with the stuff I just wrote. I then said I thought McD had handled him appallingly. Hth.

lol at that making it ok to refuse to play

[MouldyRoyal]

A lot of praise for Guthrie on this thread which I can understand.

He he was in the game, working hard in midfield for the team, scored a great goal, yet his passing and distribution at times was very poor as he continually tried to hit the 30 yard cross field glory ball which was cut out by the Ipswich defence instead of laying off a simple pass.

I would suggest that it is more likely that he was playing those balls under instruction instead of trying for some sort of glory. I doubt he is in the side for simple balls, that was what Karacan was doing, collecting the loose balls and playing it off to Guthrie who would look for a defence splitting pass.

Don't get me wrong, Guthrie did give the ball away a lot and I do think he still needs to find his range a bit more. But as he was playing the most high risk balls, it stands to reason some of those would get cut out. "Glory ball" is an unfair comment that smacks of bias against him, in my opinion.

On another note, impressed by how classy Bridge was (which is to be expected given his experience). Still got legs and it was nice to see him switching play to the other flank when Gunter was in space. Shame it never came back the other direction...