Good Old Kits

[Coppelled Streets]

Whoever posted that drink driving is the same as attempted murder - 'greed

Who did he attempt to murder?

This will be my last post on this thread

Anyone, he doesn't care.

I assume you've never been on the razz until the early hours and then slept, got up again after maybe 5 hours sleep then drove?

No, bet you haven't.

Same thing and most of us are guilty of said crime, or attempted murder it would seem.

[SpaceCruiser]

Wrong! The "friend" he assaulted dropped the charges. completely different from being aquitted. He has also been in at least 2 other fights. Not that this bares any comparison to Kitson at all.

[The whole year inn]

Whoever posted that drink driving is the same as attempted murder - 'greed

Who did he attempt to murder?

This will be my last post on this thread

Anyone, he doesn't care.

Readingbedding = HNA? martyr.

[Forbury Lion]

Whoever posted that drink driving is the same as attempted murder - 'greed

Attempted murder requires the court to actually prove beyond reasonable doubt that you intended to murder someone and failed.

In Kitsons case the intent was to get home and go to bed.

Manslaughter is unintended death though recklessness or incompetence, Had Kitson hit someone and killed them and failed to provide specimens he would have been guilty of this.

Attempted manslaugher does not exist, I may throw a hammer out of my bedroom window.... If it lands on the grass in my empty garden I wouldn't be charged with attempted manslaughter because it may have killed someone had they been there.

Drink driving is endagering lives, so the punishment deserves to be harsh... however it is not the same as taking lives.

[Hahnemann's Hairdresser]

No, not in the slightest. Like Kitson, Lita has never been convicted of anything. And if my memory serves me rightly (it may not!) he has only been charged with one offence (which was dropped). Add to that that some of Lita’s transgressions, like the web incident, are not crimes at all, and I don’t see how Lita’s situation is any different.

Getting in fights week in week out in Bristol is the same as Kitson????

Says who? Has he been convicted of disorder?

Havn't you heard? Leroy can be found filming himself windmilling his way round Bristol town center every weekend laying into anyone who crosses his path. He leaves a tornado like trail of destruction before finishing the act by performing a flying headbutt across the bar at closing time, week in, week out, regular as clockwork.

Fact of the day - Leroy Lita has never been convicted of a criminal offence, and was acquitted of the only charge bought against him.

Wrong! The "friend" he assaulted dropped the charges. completely different from being aquitted. He has also been in at least 2 other fights. Not that this bares any comparison to Kitson at all.

Yep, I've already had a good laugh at myself for possibly the most infactual fact ever! As for the other fights he was reportedly involved in, wasn't one of them a mistaken reprint of the first incident that the paper involved printed an apology for, and the other was him being asked to leave a nightclub? Hardly big news is it. Stephen Hunt has been refused entry to the mix bar in town before, Lita was asked to leave a nightclub, is there really much difference between the two other than Lita has a bad boy image so it makes the papers?

[Wax Jacket]

surely a footballer on that money can just get a taxi? ho hum

[readingbedding]

Whoever posted that drink driving is the same as attempted murder - 'greed

Attempted murder requires the court to actually prove beyond reasonable doubt that you intended to murder someone and failed.

In Kitsons case the intent was to get home and go to bed.

Manslaughter is unintended death though recklessness or incompetence, Had Kitson hit someone and killed them and failed to provide specimens he would have been guilty of this.

Attempted manslaugher does not exist, I may throw a hammer out of my bedroom window.... If it lands on the grass in my empty garden I wouldn't be charged with attempted manslaughter because it may have killed someone had they been there.

Drink driving is endagering lives, so the punishment deserves to be harsh... however it is not the same as taking lives.

Attempted murder?
What overreactive 6th Form rubbish did that come from???

Oh it's all so clear now.

[readingbedding]

Whoever posted that drink driving is the same as attempted murder - 'greed

Who did he attempt to murder?

This will be my last post on this thread

Anyone, he doesn't care.

I assume you've never been on the razz until the early hours and then slept, got up again after maybe 5 hours sleep then drove?

No, bet you haven't.

Same thing and most of us are guilty of said crime, or attempted murder it would seem.

Do you really think I mean that you complete knobjockey.

[Ian Royal]

I can't believe the rabid frothing of the mouth on this thread. Obviously a few are the usual wind-up merchants, and Tredder has set this one up and let it fly for itself with great delight.

We know for sure that Kitson didn't provide a test road side, the EP have said that he didn't provide a blood/urine sample at the station. I'm not sure I trust the EP to not just assume thats the case given the charge. Though you'd have thought the Police would have dropped it if he provided a sample at the station which proved him under the limit.

Why don't we all just put away our knives for a moment and wait and see what happens. If Dave is shown to have been pissed as a fart then he deserves the book thrown at him. If he was just being a dick and didn't look drunk, but the Police decided to test him anyway (eg under or a bit over) then he should get suitably punished for being an idiot, followed by some action by the club but keep playing - if his mindset is up to it.

I was one of those that slated Lita, after the facts were known. But only after repeated examples of a problem with him and his general attitude which I don't really like. Lita comes across as a typical young arrongant premiership player who will keep getting into trouble. Kitson does not and this is his first offence. Also if Lita started taking his chances and showing a willingness to knuckle down then I think he'd get an awful lot less stick.

[Ian Royal]

Whoever posted that drink driving is the same as attempted murder - 'greed

Attempted murder requires the court to actually prove beyond reasonable doubt that you intended to murder someone and failed.

In Kitsons case the intent was to get home and go to bed.

Manslaughter is unintended death though recklessness or incompetence, Had Kitson hit someone and killed them and failed to provide specimens he would have been guilty of this.

Attempted manslaugher does not exist, I may throw a hammer out of my bedroom window.... If it lands on the grass in my empty garden I wouldn't be charged with attempted manslaughter because it may have killed someone had they been there.

Drink driving is endagering lives, so the punishment deserves to be harsh... however it is not the same as taking lives.

Attempted murder?
What overreactive 6th Form rubbish did that come from???

Oh it's all so clear now.

Manslaughter: definition correct. Kill someone with a car and unless there have been big changes to the law I've missed, that's Death by Dangerous Driving. Which is a completely different thing in the eyes of the law (wrongly IMO)

[Ian Royal]

No, not in the slightest. Like Kitson, Lita has never been convicted of anything. And if my memory serves me rightly (it may not!) he has only been charged with one offence (which was dropped). Add to that that some of Lita’s transgressions, like the web incident, are not crimes at all, and I don’t see how Lita’s situation is any different.

Getting in fights week in week out in Bristol is the same as Kitson????

Says who? Has he been convicted of disorder?

Havn't you heard? Leroy can be found filming himself windmilling his way round Bristol town center every weekend laying into anyone who crosses his path. He leaves a tornado like trail of destruction before finishing the act by performing a flying headbutt across the bar at closing time, week in, week out, regular as clockwork.

Fact of the day - Leroy Lita has never been convicted of a criminal offence, and was acquitted of the only charge bought against him.

Wrong! The "friend" he assaulted dropped the charges. completely different from being aquitted. He has also been in at least 2 other fights. Not that this bares any comparison to Kitson at all.

Yep, I've already had a good laugh at myself for possibly the most infactual fact ever! As for the other fights he was reportedly involved in, wasn't one of them a mistaken reprint of the first incident that the paper involved printed an apology for, and the other was him being asked to leave a nightclub? Hardly big news is it. Stephen Hunt has been refused entry to the mix bar in town before, Lita was asked to leave a nightclub, is there really much difference between the two other than Lita has a bad boy image so it makes the papers?

That'll teach me to read to the end of a thread before posting, sorry.

I wasn't including the reprint.

Being bottled - involved in a fight
headbutting a friend in the face - involved in a fight
chucked out of a night club for being rowdy - thats pretty close to being in a fight.

But then all I'm saying is Lita can't be compared to Kitson for this. I've stated my opinions on Lita elsewhere and I don't see the need to go into it here other than to say it's completely different

[Fezza]

Whoever posted that drink driving is the same as attempted murder - 'greed

Attempted murder requires the court to actually prove beyond reasonable doubt that you intended to murder someone and failed.

In Kitsons case the intent was to get home and go to bed.

Manslaughter is unintended death though recklessness or incompetence, Had Kitson hit someone and killed them and failed to provide specimens he would have been guilty of this.

Attempted manslaugher does not exist, I may throw a hammer out of my bedroom window.... If it lands on the grass in my empty garden I wouldn't be charged with attempted manslaughter because it may have killed someone had they been there.

Drink driving is endagering lives, so the punishment deserves to be harsh... however it is not the same as taking lives.

I never said it was taking lives I was mearly stating that for me if you get behind the wheel of a car whilst over the limit you are to all intents saying you will take that risk with other people lives. For me just because you haven't managed to cause something unforgivable yet doesn't mean you should get off on a lesser charge to someone who has.

By refusing to take a test you are, in my eyes, admitting you have something to hide.

Therefore no matter how much I like DK as a footballer I think he is a c*nt and deserves the book thrown at him.

[Gordons Cumming]

I think he was pulled over because he was ginger.

The copper said. " Blow into this ginger boy"

Kitson blew his top and refused.

Just my opinion.............

HTH

[Ian Royal]

Whoever posted that drink driving is the same as attempted murder - 'greed

Attempted murder requires the court to actually prove beyond reasonable doubt that you intended to murder someone and failed.

In Kitsons case the intent was to get home and go to bed.

Manslaughter is unintended death though recklessness or incompetence, Had Kitson hit someone and killed them and failed to provide specimens he would have been guilty of this.

Attempted manslaugher does not exist, I may throw a hammer out of my bedroom window.... If it lands on the grass in my empty garden I wouldn't be charged with attempted manslaughter because it may have killed someone had they been there.

Drink driving is endagering lives, so the punishment deserves to be harsh... however it is not the same as taking lives.

I never said it was taking lives I was mearly stating that for me if you get behind the wheel of a car whilst over the limit you are to all intents saying you will take that risk with other people lives. For me just because you haven't managed to cause something unforgivable yet doesn't mean you should get off on a lesser charge to someone who has.

By refusing to take a test you are, in my eyes, admitting you have something to hide.

Therefore no matter how much I like DK as a footballer I think he is a c*nt and deserves the book thrown at him.

Thats the reason it's illegal and is factored into the punishment for the crime already. Why don't you wait for a few more facts before running for the rope and hanging tree.

[readingbedding]

Whoever posted that drink driving is the same as attempted murder - 'greed

Attempted murder requires the court to actually prove beyond reasonable doubt that you intended to murder someone and failed.

In Kitsons case the intent was to get home and go to bed.

Manslaughter is unintended death though recklessness or incompetence, Had Kitson hit someone and killed them and failed to provide specimens he would have been guilty of this.

Attempted manslaugher does not exist, I may throw a hammer out of my bedroom window.... If it lands on the grass in my empty garden I wouldn't be charged with attempted manslaughter because it may have killed someone had they been there.

Drink driving is endagering lives, so the punishment deserves to be harsh... however it is not the same as taking lives.

Attempted murder?
What overreactive 6th Form rubbish did that come from???

Oh it's all so clear now.

Manslaughter: definition correct. Kill someone with a car and unless there have been big changes to the law I've missed, that's Death by Dangerous Driving. Which is a completely different thing in the eyes of the law (wrongly IMO)

I guess, don't know much about the law in regards to Drink driving.
I know loads of people do it, including Chief Inspectors....

Don't get caught is the key.

[Fezza]

Whoever posted that drink driving is the same as attempted murder - 'greed

Attempted murder requires the court to actually prove beyond reasonable doubt that you intended to murder someone and failed.

In Kitsons case the intent was to get home and go to bed.

Manslaughter is unintended death though recklessness or incompetence, Had Kitson hit someone and killed them and failed to provide specimens he would have been guilty of this.

Attempted manslaugher does not exist, I may throw a hammer out of my bedroom window.... If it lands on the grass in my empty garden I wouldn't be charged with attempted manslaughter because it may have killed someone had they been there.

Drink driving is endagering lives, so the punishment deserves to be harsh... however it is not the same as taking lives.

Attempted murder?
What overreactive 6th Form rubbish did that come from???

Oh it's all so clear now.

That would be me giving my opinion - I finished 6th form over 10 year ago.

The bugger about opinion is that people disagree with you!

[Ian Royal]

Whoever posted that drink driving is the same as attempted murder - 'greed

Attempted murder requires the court to actually prove beyond reasonable doubt that you intended to murder someone and failed.

In Kitsons case the intent was to get home and go to bed.

Manslaughter is unintended death though recklessness or incompetence, Had Kitson hit someone and killed them and failed to provide specimens he would have been guilty of this.

Attempted manslaugher does not exist, I may throw a hammer out of my bedroom window.... If it lands on the grass in my empty garden I wouldn't be charged with attempted manslaughter because it may have killed someone had they been there.

Drink driving is endagering lives, so the punishment deserves to be harsh... however it is not the same as taking lives.

Attempted murder?
What overreactive 6th Form rubbish did that come from???

Oh it's all so clear now.

Manslaughter: definition correct. Kill someone with a car and unless there have been big changes to the law I've missed, that's Death by Dangerous Driving. Which is a completely different thing in the eyes of the law (wrongly IMO)

I guess, don't know much about the law in regards to Drink driving.

My mum was on the Jury for a death by dangerous driving charge against a guy who'd run over a kid. presumably no drink involved.

It used to be very hard to convict anyone of it, I know there have been a few changes recently so hopefully that isn't the case anymore.

[zac naloen]

They want to change law so that if you just get caught it's a community sentence.

But if you kill someone you really get the book thrown at you.

[readingbedding]

Whoever posted that drink driving is the same as attempted murder - 'greed

Attempted murder requires the court to actually prove beyond reasonable doubt that you intended to murder someone and failed.

In Kitsons case the intent was to get home and go to bed.

Manslaughter is unintended death though recklessness or incompetence, Had Kitson hit someone and killed them and failed to provide specimens he would have been guilty of this.

Attempted manslaugher does not exist, I may throw a hammer out of my bedroom window.... If it lands on the grass in my empty garden I wouldn't be charged with attempted manslaughter because it may have killed someone had they been there.

Drink driving is endagering lives, so the punishment deserves to be harsh... however it is not the same as taking lives.

Attempted murder?
What overreactive 6th Form rubbish did that come from???

Oh it's all so clear now.

That would be me giving my opinion - I finished 6th form over 10 year ago.

The bugger about opinion is that people disagree with you!

I can't wait to be over the limit and attempt to kill people in my car tonight.
Highlight of the week.

Get real.

[Ian Royal]

They want to change law so that if you just get caught it's a community sentence.

But if you kill someone you really get the book thrown at you.

I'd back that. Prisons are over populated and not good places to send people who arn't repeat serious criminals anyway. I'm in favour of more fines - possibly weighted to income and community service for non-violent crimes. (killing someone with a car fits under violent in my book