CONFIMRED - Jaap Stam

[Maneki Neko]

Jaap Stam could build a better, stronger and more aggressive style of play than we are used to recently.

based on oxf*rd all but ur imagination....

Read the second sentence of my post you selectively quoted again...

No?

[Uke]

based on oxf*rd all but ur imagination....

Read the second sentence of my post you selectively quoted again...

No?

Jaap Stam could build a better, stronger and more aggressive style of play than we are used to recently.

It would be like watching the RFC of ten years ago, but on steroids

Just his shot is your short term memory?

https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... tory.sport

[Lower West]

If the manager and the club have a fundamentally different view of how the club should be run then it makes sense to part company at an early stage, and managers don't tend to resign if they can get themselves sacked and compensated.

Perhaps Clarke was severely misaligned. From his BBC Berks interviews came across as a straight talker. As a player was never a quitter. Leaves one wondering what the "owner" is like to deal with. Is there far more than we'll ever know.

[Dennis the Butler]

Has to be Gary Monk for me .. he has both the experience and knowledge as a player and manager at our level .. young too. Stam, if appointed and successful, will be off as soon as and as for Pantic . meh !

[Ian Royal]

Has to be Gary Monk for me .. he has both the experience and knowledge as a player and manager at our level .. young too. Stam, if appointed and successful, will be off as soon as and as for Pantic . meh !

When has Monk managed at Championship level?

[Hoop Blah]

Has to be Gary Monk for me .. he has both the experience and knowledge as a player and manager at our level .. young too. Stam, if appointed and successful, will be off as soon as and as for Pantic . meh !

When has Monk managed at Championship level?

To be fair he hadn't managed in the Premier League and he did alright, at least initially. Swansea was a different kettle of fish for him of course seeing that he'd been there for donkeys years.

He knows the Championship and lower leagues well as a player though, so he knows what it takes to be successful in them.

Having said that, I'm not sure he'd be a good choice for us at the moment, or certainly us for him.

In terms of experience, how much experience have some of our most successful managers ever had? McGhee, Pardew and McDermott all took over without experience of management at the level they were at, or higher, and made a pretty good stab at it.

[Ian Royal]

Has to be Gary Monk for me .. he has both the experience and knowledge as a player and manager at our level .. young too. Stam, if appointed and successful, will be off as soon as and as for Pantic . meh !

When has Monk managed at Championship level?

To be fair he hadn't managed in the Premier League and he did alright, at least initially. Swansea was a different kettle of fish for him of course seeing that he'd been there for donkeys years.

He knows the Championship and lower leagues well as a player though, so he knows what it takes to be successful in them.

Having said that, I'm not sure he'd be a good choice for us at the moment, or certainly us for him.

In terms of experience, how much experience have some of our most successful managers ever had? McGhee, Pardew and McDermott all took over without experience of management at the level they were at, or higher, and made a pretty good stab at it.

Oh, not saying experience is necessarily required (although I'd rather we got it for an external appointment), just questioning Monk's managerial experience at this level.

[Longhorn1970]

If the manager and the club have a fundamentally different view of how the club should be run then it makes sense to part company at an early stage, and managers don't tend to resign if they can get themselves sacked and compensated.

Perhaps Clarke was severely misaligned. From his BBC Berks interviews came across as a straight talker. As a player was never a quitter. Leaves one wondering what the "owner" is like to deal with. Is there far more than we'll ever know.

+1

[Ian Royal]

Clarke's management certainly was misaligned. Something wasn't connected right in the way he set the team up, most of the time.

[Maneki Neko]

Has to be Gary Monk for me .. he has both the experience and knowledge as a player and manager at our level .. young too. Stam, if appointed and successful, will be off as soon as and as for Pantic . meh !

When has Monk managed at Championship level?

To be fair he hadn't managed in the Premier League and he did alright, at least initially. Swansea was a different kettle of fish for him of course seeing that he'd been there for donkeys years.

He knows the Championship and lower leagues well as a player though, so he knows what it takes to be successful in them.

Having said that, I'm not sure he'd be a good choice for us at the moment, or certainly us for him.

In terms of experience, how much experience have some of our most successful managers ever had? McGhee, Pardew and McDermott all took over without experience of management at the level they were at, or higher, and made a pretty good stab at it.

monks team was built for him, and as gradual changes were made by him, got worse and worse until he was sacked.
this is a far cry from what he would walk into here.

[Hoop Blah]

Exactly, that's why I don't think he's the right man for us.

After an OK start to his career in pretty favourable circumstances at Swansea I'd say he would probably need a nice stable club for his second job as he needs to build his reputation at this stage.

[NewCorkSeth]

What changes did he make that failed exactly? I don't recall him making any big mistakes.. sure his record at that point was 1 win in 15 but he signed some great players. Gylfi, ayew, gomis (he was free..), flapihandski, naughton... maybe there was others but my point is he wasn't shit and had just lost Bony in the January window.. not exactly easy to replace your powerful top goal scorer.

[Royalwaster]

I suspect we'll appoint someone that no-one expected ....

[sandman]

Monk's going to Leeds so should be available by the time we sack our next manager.

[Maneki Neko]

What changes did he make that failed exactly? I don't recall him making any big mistakes.. sure his record at that point was 1 win in 15 but he signed some great players. Gylfi, ayew, gomis (he was free..), flapihandski, naughton... maybe there was others but my point is he wasn't shit and had just lost Bony in the January window.. not exactly easy to replace your powerful top goal scorer.

brian managed it twice

[NewCorkSeth]

What changes did he make that failed exactly? I don't recall him making any big mistakes.. sure his record at that point was 1 win in 15 but he signed some great players. Gylfi, ayew, gomis (he was free..), flapihandski, naughton... maybe there was others but my point is he wasn't shit and had just lost Bony in the January window.. not exactly easy to replace your powerful top goal scorer.

brian managed it twice

No he managed us twice..

Who's the other striker he replaced?

[tidus_mi2]

What changes did he make that failed exactly? I don't recall him making any big mistakes.. sure his record at that point was 1 win in 15 but he signed some great players. Gylfi, ayew, gomis (he was free..), flapihandski, naughton... maybe there was others but my point is he wasn't shit and had just lost Bony in the January window.. not exactly easy to replace your powerful top goal scorer.

brian managed it twice

No he managed us twice..

Who's the other striker he replaced?

You said top goal scorer, we lost Gylfi and he got Long to step up the next season and his goals got us into the play-offs. After we lost Long, while we didn't get a 20 goal player, he made additions that created a team that won the League.

[NewCorkSeth]

brian managed it twice

No he managed us twice..

Who's the other striker he replaced?

You said top goal scorer, we lost Gylfi and he got Long to step up the next season and his goals got us into the play-offs. After we lost Long, while we didn't get a 20 goal player, he made additions that created a team that won the League.

Bit of a stretch to say he was solely responsible for Longs improvement.. also Long didn't replace gylfi in the team? They play different positions and as is often pointed out we have never gylfi! And to say he replaced long with multiple players isn't exactly the same either...

[Maneki Neko]

No he managed us twice..

Who's the other striker he replaced?

You said top goal scorer, we lost Gylfi and he got Long to step up the next season and his goals got us into the play-offs. After we lost Long, while we didn't get a 20 goal player, he made additions that created a team that won the League.

Bit of a stretch to say he was solely responsible for Longs improvement.. also Long didn't replace gylfi in the team? They play different positions and as is often pointed out we have never gylfi! And to say he replaced long with multiple players isn't exactly the same either...

you said it was difficult to replace the clubs top goal scorer.
I just said brian managed it two years in a row.


these are the FACTS

[NewCorkSeth]

You said top goal scorer, we lost Gylfi and he got Long to step up the next season and his goals got us into the play-offs. After we lost Long, while we didn't get a 20 goal player, he made additions that created a team that won the League.

Bit of a stretch to say he was solely responsible for Longs improvement.. also Long didn't replace gylfi in the team? They play different positions and as is often pointed out we have never gylfi! And to say he replaced long with multiple players isn't exactly the same either...

you said it was difficult to replace the clubs top goal scorer.
I just said brian managed it two years in a row.


these are the FACTS

OK remembering now I have to be more specific on hna..

Shane long was with the club a full 5 seasons making 129 league apps and scoring 23 goals. Brian did not replace gylfi with Shane.. Shane had made 31 apps the season gylfi was our top scorer.. that's not replacing a top scorer it's another player becoming a top scorer...

He also didn't sign either of those players.. my argument was monk made some great sognings but struggled because they lost their arguably best player... andre ayew I think finished Swanseas top goal scorer so monk did in your world replace his top scorer from the season before (gomis) who replaced top scorer from the season before (bony)

And he actually signed both his players...

Going by your criteria every manager every season replaces their top goal scorer as long as a different player scores more goals..