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Re: How impressed are you with BMcD's return to the club?

by Ian Royal » 06 Mar 2016 00:07

Royal Ginger Only 2 defeats in the last 14! That's crept up on us. Not enough wins sure, but it looks a bit better than it did. Well done McD and team.

Gotta keep up the theme of the recent wins against Rotherham and Charlton to convert cup form into the league. It's the league that keeps you your job (not that I'm suggesting Bri's in danger). 41% win rate including the cup, just 31% in the league.

I'd settle for a draw at Huddersfield mid-week though.

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by leon » 06 Mar 2016 00:31

He inherited a team in free fall with utterly no spirit and he's rebuilding. So far so good.

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Re: How impressed are you with BMcD's return to the club?

by sandman » 06 Mar 2016 04:20

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Winston Smith People are the sum of their experiences. If Antonio had been given a new contract and stayed with us for years he may have never improved and his career may have dwindled away. Had he joined another team instead of Wednesday he may even had suddenly improved and been in the PL within 12 months.

To say a player was successful in a certain environment therefore it is unacceptable that he was not successful in a very different environment is to not understand humans really. Take a look at Leicester for a great example right now.


Antonio was never given a chance if he had played as many games as hrk or mcleary we would have seen his
Potential. How come 3 clubs see what we didn't see and this bullshit about he was not that good when he was playing for us is rubbish.


LOL, calm down.

He wasn't good when he played for us, he constantly tripped over the ball and his crossing was awful. It's no surprise a manager

All this hand wringing over him, just because he's had half a decent season in the PL, is ridiculous. Remember when Sunderland signed James McClean from Derry and everyone hailed him as great because he tore the PL apart for 6 months? Just like McClean, once PL defenders get used to Antonio and his raw head down running he will fade away because he has no technical ability whatsoever.

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Re: How impressed are you with BMcD's return to the club?

by Snowball136 » 06 Mar 2016 07:47

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Royal Ginger Only 2 defeats in the last 14! That's crept up on us. Not enough wins sure, but it looks a bit better than it did. Well done McD and team.

Gotta keep up the theme of the recent wins against Rotherham and Charlton to convert cup form into the league. It's the league that keeps you your job (not that I'm suggesting Bri's in danger). 41% win rate including the cup, just 31% in the league.

I'd settle for a draw at Huddersfield mid-week though.


I said BEFORE the first few games that it was unfair to judge him until he'd had some time.

His total record (which started with WLL) is W7 D6 L4 27-18 = 41.2% Wins

If you give him that two weeks (as I said at the time, before the time) his record is P14 W6 D6 L2 22-15
a 42.9% win ratio, just two defeats in 14, both by a single goal.

If you ignore the cup

WLL (in the two weeks I'd ignore)

then

WDLDL 5 Points
then
DDWWD 9 points

11-10 overall if you ignore the cup games, ten games where it's clear we started from a low base and maybe (MAYBE) are finding our feet, though that's not yet clear as these two wins were v Rotherham and Charlton, relegation candidates and then we only drew at home to Fulham who are vaguely flirting with the drop.

But what I like is you can see McDermott working things out
trying to find the balance between clean-sheet 0-0s and 4-3s.

It seems to me he has a plan and that is to play 451 and keep a clean sheet for the hour, then go 442. I think he upset Norwood doing that a week ago, so pulled Quinn yesterday.

I think the team lost the plot at Charlton, lost their discipline. It was a one-off.

I think he knows what a talent Williams is, but I think he also knows we work better with a different type of midfield. I have a sneaky suspicion we might lose Williams and Norwood in the summer and have a central midfield of Evans, Tish, Quinn with Khul as back up.

This Tuesday, all the vibes are that we will send a weak team to Huddersfield, In particular saving the defence.

We may get walloped but, IF McD CLEARY SENDS A DEPLETED TEAM
I will leave that game out of any judgement of McD win, lose or draw

It's "free-pass" IMO

Frankly, I think our chance of getting past Palace are slim, but the manager
ir right to prioritise next Friday's game. He knows he's going to make a
lot of changes = saying "I'm going to do what's right for the club"

Just like Man City basically threw the FA Cup game away to Chelsea
so they could win The League Cup, get through in the Champions league,
the much-bigger deal

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Re: How impressed are you with BMcD's return to the club?

by paultheroyal » 06 Mar 2016 10:56

Amount of threads that actually come round to my original thoughts at the time etc :lol: :lol:

Antonio will go down as Reading's biggest transfer mistake and mis-judgement of ability since I have been supporting Reading from 1979. Majority of that is at McDermott's door however I am pleased he is back here and the club have made significant progress since his return.


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Re: How impressed are you with BMcD's return to the club?

by leon » 06 Mar 2016 11:49

Jesus Christ you fcuking pants wetters.

If the worst transfer out we ever make is Antonio then I'm sure the club will be OK.

Ferguson let Pogba and Piquet through his fingers, it happens.

Although I'm sure the Team Board retards who have it in for McDermott will continue to bleat like little bitches until they get a "name" manager- because that worked out the last two times, didn't it Ladies? :|

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Re: How impressed are you with BMcD's return to the club?

by paultheroyal » 06 Mar 2016 11:52

Just stating facts Leon!! :wink:

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by CountryRoyal » 06 Mar 2016 11:56

QUESTION: Had Antonio stayed and started ahead of Kebe, would we have been promoted?

I doubt it very oxf*rd much.

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by leon » 06 Mar 2016 12:02

paultheroyal Just stating facts Leon!! :wink:


You're not, you're stating an opinion of what might or might not happen in future.

In terms of recruiting talent McDermott has vast credit in the bank. So I think we can allow him a mediocre winger playing in front of poverty stricken London racists.


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by paultheroyal » 06 Mar 2016 12:32

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paultheroyal Just stating facts Leon!! :wink:


You're not, you're stating an opinion of what might or might not happen in future.

In terms of recruiting talent McDermott has vast credit in the bank. So I think we can allow him a mediocre winger playing in front of poverty stricken London racists.


Facts are he was a quality player overlooked who is now worth millions, as for the rest of your drivel, no comment!!

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by CountryRoyal » 06 Mar 2016 12:35

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paultheroyal Just stating facts Leon!! :wink:


You're not, you're stating an opinion of what might or might not happen in future.

In terms of recruiting talent McDermott has vast credit in the bank. So I think we can allow him a mediocre winger playing in front of poverty stricken London racists.


Facts are he was a quality player overlooked who is now worth millions, as for the rest of your drivel, no comment!!


No they aren't.

Facts are he IS NOW a quality winger who at the time was very raw whilst showing brief moments of ability.

He wanted to play and was, at the time, of a lesser level than McAnuff and Kebe.

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by Nameless » 06 Mar 2016 12:44

paultheroyal Amount of threads that actually come round to my original thoughts at the time etc :lol: :lol:

Antonio will go down as Reading's biggest transfer mistake and mis-judgement of ability since I have been supporting Reading from 1979. Majority of that is at McDermott's door however I am pleased he is back here and the club have made significant progress since his return.


That's rubbish !
For a start we let Charlie Austin walk away from the club !
But apart from that the Antonio situation was really not that different to the Sidwell one. Player was not interested in signing a new deal and moved on, at least in Antonio's case we made a decent profit on him

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Re: How impressed are you with BMcD's return to the club?

by leon » 06 Mar 2016 12:52

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paultheroyal Just stating facts Leon!! :wink:


You're not, you're stating an opinion of what might or might not happen in future.

In terms of recruiting talent McDermott has vast credit in the bank. So I think we can allow him a mediocre winger playing in front of poverty stricken London racists.


Facts are he was a quality player overlooked who is now worth millions, as for the rest of your drivel, no comment!!


He was a young player with unknown potential. That is a fact.

And you know I'm right about the rest. I always am.


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by Ian Royal » 06 Mar 2016 14:25

CountryRoyal QUESTION: Had Antonio stayed and started ahead of Kebe, would we have been promoted?

I doubt it very oxf*rd much.

Antonio went after we'd been promoted because he was behind Kebe, McCleary, McAnuff and Robson-Kanu in the pecking order. All of which had pretty decent seasons in the PL (when fit and playing), so had he stayed the options were
a) loan him and lose him for nothing at the end of the season
b) play him in the U21s for a season and lose him for nothing at the end of the season

Why this keeps coming up is ridiculous though.

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Re: How impressed are you with BMcD's return to the club?

by paultheroyal » 06 Mar 2016 15:01

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You're not, you're stating an opinion of what might or might not happen in future.

In terms of recruiting talent McDermott has vast credit in the bank. So I think we can allow him a mediocre winger playing in front of poverty stricken London racists.


Facts are he was a quality player overlooked who is now worth millions, as for the rest of your drivel, no comment!!


He was a young player with unknown potential. That is a fact.

And you know I'm right about the rest. I always am.


And a number of us saw that potential, sadly those who matter did not!

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Re: How impressed are you with BMcD's return to the club?

by genome » 06 Mar 2016 15:09

Those wins against Rotherham and Charlton are looking more decent now, considering what they both did to Sheffield Wednesday and Brentford yesterday.

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by CountryRoyal » 06 Mar 2016 16:40

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CountryRoyal QUESTION: Had Antonio stayed and started ahead of Kebe, would we have been promoted?

I doubt it very oxf*rd much.

Antonio went after we'd been promoted because he was behind Kebe, McCleary, McAnuff and Robson-Kanu in the pecking order. All of which had pretty decent seasons in the PL (when fit and playing), so had he stayed the options were
a) loan him and lose him for nothing at the end of the season
b) play him in the U21s for a season and lose him for nothing at the end of the season

Why this keeps coming up is ridiculous though.


Oops! Well that just makes my point even more pertinent. Conpletely agree on all fronts IR.

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by Dr_Hfuhruhurr » 06 Mar 2016 16:52

Ian Royal Antonio went after we'd been promoted because he was behind Kebe, McCleary, McAnuff and Robson-Kanu in the pecking order. All of which had pretty decent seasons in the PL (when fit and playing), so had he stayed the options were
a) loan him and lose him for nothing at the end of the season
b) play him in the U21s for a season and lose him for nothing at the end of the season

Why this keeps coming up is ridiculous though.


This really. He was playing in the wrong position at the wrong time. He obviously had ability but it wasn't as dumb a decision as its being made out here to sell him when we did. He was far more valuable to Wednesday than he was for us, and, thus the deal made sense for everybody.

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by paultheroyal » 06 Mar 2016 16:57

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paultheroyal Amount of threads that actually come round to my original thoughts at the time etc :lol: :lol:

Antonio will go down as Reading's biggest transfer mistake and mis-judgement of ability since I have been supporting Reading from 1979. Majority of that is at McDermott's door however I am pleased he is back here and the club have made significant progress since his return.


That's rubbish !
For a start we let Charlie Austin walk away from the club !
But apart from that the Antonio situation was really not that different to the Sidwell one. Player was not interested in signing a new deal and moved on, at least in Antonio's case we made a decent profit on him


He wasn't signing because he wasn't playing! Bloke had undoubted potential and needed the run in the team, his loan spell at Southampton proved that.

Profit lol!!

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by Ian Royal » 06 Mar 2016 17:05

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Ian Royal Antonio went after we'd been promoted because he was behind Kebe, McCleary, McAnuff and Robson-Kanu in the pecking order. All of which had pretty decent seasons in the PL (when fit and playing), so had he stayed the options were
a) loan him and lose him for nothing at the end of the season
b) play him in the U21s for a season and lose him for nothing at the end of the season

Why this keeps coming up is ridiculous though.


This really. He was playing in the wrong position at the wrong time. He obviously had ability but it wasn't as dumb a decision as its being made out here to sell him when we did. He was far more valuable to Wednesday than he was for us, and, thus the deal made sense for everybody.

Quite. No matter what Paul says, it's clear this was the situation. Maybe, just maybe he could have overtaken HRK to be fourth choice, but there was no way he was getting past McAnuff, Kebe and McCleary to play. Yes it's a shame we missed out on a good player, but to label it as any sort of error on the club's part is just bizarre.

Things would be quite different if we hadn't had the Russian turn up. No Roberts, no promotion, Kebe flounces at the end of the season and there's a point to extending Antonio's contract and telling him to make the right wing slot his own against whoever we bring in to replace Kebe. Then he's getting regular sub minutes for us in the Championship and maybe making himself first choice. Letting him go under those circumstances would have been a poor decision. Not the ones that actually existed in the real world though.

I think you can make a better case that it was a bigger mistake to let Henry go and replace him with Antonio given the circumstances that existed at the comparative points.

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