"This is real football"

[Peter Kay - Top of the To]

dont really think punching anyone for whatever reason, anywhere is ever really acceptable

he was a twat-just for supporting UTD, and a bigger one for wearing the shirt, but if hes come to the game with a couple of reading supporting family, what is so bad about that, it doesnt sound like he was a stanley knife wieldingthug who had snuck into our end for some argy bargy

hope they all feel really big and hard for doing that, Nobbers

I agree Wendy, next time he will know to keep his jacket zipped up. It is very stupid and naive to assume that we are at the stage where violence is not a potential problem.

It is and will remain so. I pity people on this thread who have sympathy for him. At 17 years old, I wouldnt have dreamt of doing anything so stupid. I cannot believe that people just seem to excuse him with the 'Violence has no place in football ' argument.

Of course it doesnt, but then nor does crass stupidity! Which is what he clearly had in abundance.

[zac naloen]

You are incapable of understanding the critical point of this thread. I merely agreed (for once) with Alad. His point was that if you are stupid enough to wear an away shirt in the home end, then you should not expect sympathy.

As you come from Bath I assume you are more at home at Rugby matches where the middle classes jovially mock each other in close proximity. If you havent spent that long watching football then I will educate you:

1. Its triblal
2. Its mostly verbal (very occasionally physical)
3. Its the national sport
4. Before you 'prawn sandwich twats' arrived it was quite good fun.

Consider yourself gripped. Do not lecture me on what is/is not in appropriate in a football stadium again.

You have no idea.

I'm afraid the law doesn't agree with your high and mighty "true football" attitude. There was a time even before you must have been going where fans did sit together and enjoy the game in peace. The hooligans highjacked that and tainted the sport for life. Violence is never acceptable. You can make excuses like "but its been happening for ages!!" but it never ever makes it right.

[Peter Kay - Top of the To]

You are incapable of understanding the critical point of this thread. I merely agreed (for once) with Alad. His point was that if you are stupid enough to wear an away shirt in the home end, then you should not expect sympathy.

As you come from Bath I assume you are more at home at Rugby matches where the middle classes jovially mock each other in close proximity. If you havent spent that long watching football then I will educate you:

1. Its triblal
2. Its mostly verbal (very occasionally physical)
3. Its the national sport
4. Before you 'prawn sandwich twats' arrived it was quite good fun.

Consider yourself gripped. Do not lecture me on what is/is not in appropriate in a football stadium again.

You have no idea.

I'm afraid the law doesn't agree with your high and mighty "true football" attitude. There was a time even before you must have been going where fans did sit together and enjoy the game in peace. The hooligans highjacked that and tainted the sport for life. Violence is never acceptable. You can make excuses like "but its been happening for ages!!" but it never ever makes it right.

Please read some history of football in the 50s, 60s and 70s. When you do you will discover that football was never an environment where people could truly sit together in harmony. There were many, many incidents of crowd violence before segregation was introduced.

'Hooligans' as you describe them were mainly a hardcore, small group of individuals who became more obsessed with the tribal nature of football than the game itself. The fact is they carried other fans with them.

I totally accept you're point of view that it is never acceptable. I am just trying to remain realistic, which is why I think wearing an away shirt in the home end, is a particularly stupid thing to do, by a 17 year old.

[zac naloen]

Please read some history of football in the 50s, 60s and 70s. When you do you will discover that football was never an environment where people could truly sit together in harmony. There were many, many incidents of crowd violence before segregation was introduced.

Football has been a sport for a lot longer than 50's 60's and 70's mate.

[Peter Kay - Top of the To]

Please read some history of football in the 50s, 60s and 70s. When you do you will discover that football was never an environment where people could truly sit together in harmony. There were many, many incidents of crowd violence before segregation was introduced.

Football has been a sport for a lot longer than 50's 60's and 70's mate.

No has it really? So educate me with your pre-war football knowledge. Who played in the semi finals of the FA Cup in 1927 for example?

[brendywendy]

You are incapable of understanding the critical point of this thread. I merely agreed (for once) with Alad. His point was that if you are stupid enough to wear an away shirt in the home end, then you should not expect sympathy.

As you come from Bath I assume you are more at home at Rugby matches where the middle classes jovially mock each other in close proximity. If you havent spent that long watching football then I will educate you:

1. Its triblal
2. Its mostly verbal (very occasionally physical)
3. Its the national sport
4. Before you 'prawn sandwich twats' arrived it was quite good fun.

Consider yourself gripped. Do not lecture me on what is/is not in appropriate in a football stadium again.

You have no idea.

I'm afraid the law doesn't agree with your high and mighty "true football" attitude. There was a time even before you must have been going where fans did sit together and enjoy the game in peace. The hooligans highjacked that and tainted the sport for life. Violence is never acceptable. You can make excuses like "but its been happening for ages!!" but it never ever makes it right.

Please read some history of football in the 50s, 60s and 70s. When you do you will discover that football was never an environment where people could truly sit together in harmony. There were many, many incidents of crowd violence before segregation was introduced.

'Hooligans' as you describe them were mainly a hardcore, small group of individuals who became more obsessed with the tribal nature of football than the game itself. The fact is they carried other fans with them.

I totally accept you're point of view that it is never acceptable. I am just trying to remain realistic, which is why I think wearing an away shirt in the home end, is a particularly stupid thing to do, by a 17 year old.

i dunno, im swinging further towards the 17 yr old, with each passing minute(ooer)

are we really saying a away supporting kid cant come to game with a home supporting dad, and both wear their shirts.

half of me says they shouldnt, but that really is pretty daft

i hate rugby, and anyone who supports it, but thats one thing they seem able to do quiet easily

[Royal Rother]

I pity people on this thread who have sympathy for him.

You pity people who have sympathy for a young bloke who got beaten up by a mob of hooligans for wearing a football shirt?

Christ, you really are the lowest of the low.

[zac naloen]

No has it really? So educate me with your pre-war football knowledge. Who played in the semi finals of the FA Cup in 1927 for example?

Seeing as i really couldn't give a shit why don't you tell me.

You made an assertion that football has always been a violent sport. YOU have to prove it.

[Royal Rother]

Please read some history of football in the 50s, 60s and 70s. When you do you will discover that football was never an environment where people could truly sit together in harmony. There were many, many incidents of crowd violence before segregation was introduced.

Football has been a sport for a lot longer than 50's 60's and 70's mate.

No has it really? So educate me with your pre-war football knowledge. Who played in the semi finals of the FA Cup in 1927 for example?

Oh, what a challenging response. Let's see who knows more about football history shall we? Good grief....

[Peter Kay - Top of the To]

He was in the East Stand FFS!!!!!!! If he had worn it in the Upper West and someone had had a quiet word I could understand. But hes 17 years old.

Are people totally naive to this issue. Since we moved to the Mad Stad do people just think this issue has gone away? It hasnt and it wont, we need to stay vigilant, but please lets not just presume we have a situation where people can wear whatever shirt they like at a game. It hasnt and wont go back to that situation. However much you dislike it, it is the reality.

[brendywendy]

He was in the East Stand FFS!!!!!!! If he had worn it in the Upper West and someone had had a quiet word I could understand. But hes 17 years old.

Are people totally naive to this issue. Since we moved to the Mad Stad do people just think this issue has gone away? It hasnt and it wont, we need to stay vigilant, but please lets not just presume we have a situation where people can wear whatever shirt they like at a game. It hasnt and wont go back to that situation. However much you dislike it, it is the reality.

good point about the west stand, im back to hating the tw@t

apologies for the temporary loss of common sense

[Peter Kay - Top of the To]

No has it really? So educate me with your pre-war football knowledge. Who played in the semi finals of the FA Cup in 1927 for example?

Seeing as i really couldn't give a shit why don't you tell me.

You made an assertion that football has always been a violent sport. YOU have to prove it.

You are a f u c k i n g plastic Reading fan and I claim my fiver.

http://www.google.co.uk

[Royal Rother]

we need to stay vigilant, but please lets not just presume we have a situation where people can wear whatever shirt they like at a game. It hasnt and wont go back to that situation. However much you dislike it, it is the reality.

Sure we need to stay vigilant. We need to stay vigilant against twats like you who think a kid who wore a piece of cloth with a different colour on it, but, by all accounts did nothing else to provoke anyone, got all he deserved when a mob of yobs beat the crap out of him.

[FiNeRaIn]

Wearing an opposition shirt in the home end is disgraceful. What kind of plank would actually do this? You are asking for a battering and he rightly got one. The absolute pure cheek of going into another teams section.

[Peter Kay - Top of the To]

He was in the East Stand FFS!!!!!!! If he had worn it in the Upper West and someone had had a quiet word I could understand. But hes 17 years old.

Are people totally naive to this issue. Since we moved to the Mad Stad do people just think this issue has gone away? It hasnt and it wont, we need to stay vigilant, but please lets not just presume we have a situation where people can wear whatever shirt they like at a game. It hasnt and wont go back to that situation. However much you dislike it, it is the reality.

good point about the west stand, im back to hating the tw@t

apologies for the temporary loss of common sense

Wendy, you have no need to apologise.

[zac naloen]

No has it really? So educate me with your pre-war football knowledge. Who played in the semi finals of the FA Cup in 1927 for example?

Seeing as i really couldn't give a shit why don't you tell me.

You made an assertion that football has always been a violent sport. YOU have to prove it.

You are a f u c k i n g plastic Reading fan and I claim my fiver.

http://www.google.co.uk

Oh ho hum. Do you understand the concept of burden of proof?

[handbags_harris]

I pity people on this thread who have sympathy for him.

You pity people who have sympathy for a young bloke who got beaten up by a mob of hooligans for wearing a football shirt?

No, he has pity for the people who pity the fella for being so daft as to wear an opposing teams football shirt in a home end when he knew full well that, despite the fact it's not acceptable, he would likely end up being mashed to a pulp. Brazenly wearing an away shirt in a home end is considered provocative. It's simply not seen as pride, it's provocation. A sort of "come on if you dare" attitude. The people who find him stupid are not condoning the resultant action, they are merely being realistic as to what happens at football matches within the stands. This guy was asking for what he got because he was big enough and old enough to know how volatile a football crowd can be, which is why most people have absolutely no sympathy for him, myself included.

[Peter Kay - Top of the To]

we need to stay vigilant, but please lets not just presume we have a situation where people can wear whatever shirt they like at a game. It hasnt and wont go back to that situation. However much you dislike it, it is the reality.

Sure we need to stay vigilant. We need to stay vigilant against twats like you who think a kid who wore a piece of cloth with a different colour on it, but, by all accounts did nothing else to provoke anyone, got all he deserved when a mob of yobs beat the crap out of him.

He was 17 years old. At a highly charged game he wore the away shirt in the home end.

How long have you watched Reading, please be honest...?

[Peter Kay - Top of the To]

I pity people on this thread who have sympathy for him.

You pity people who have sympathy for a young bloke who got beaten up by a mob of hooligans for wearing a football shirt?

No, he has pity for the people who pity the fella for being so daft as to wear an opposing teams football shirt in a home end when he knew full well that, despite the fact it's not acceptable, he would likely end up being mashed to a pulp. Brazenly wearing an away shirt in a home end is considered provocative. It's simply not seen as pride, it's provocation. A sort of "come on if you dare" attitude. The people who find him stupid are not condoning the resultant action, they are merely being realistic as to what happens at football matches within the stands. This guy was asking for what he got because he was big enough and old enough to know how volatile a football crowd can be, which is why most people have absolutely no sympathy for him, myself included.

Totally agreed.

[Peter Kay - Top of the To]

No has it really? So educate me with your pre-war football knowledge. Who played in the semi finals of the FA Cup in 1927 for example?

Seeing as i really couldn't give a shit why don't you tell me.

You made an assertion that football has always been a violent sport. YOU have to prove it.

You are a f u c k i n g plastic Reading fan and I claim my fiver.

http://www.google.co.uk

Oh ho hum. Do you understand the concept of burden of proof?

Perhaps you would like to go on the net, and search for the football intelligence service. You will discover the history of arrests at football matches and the fact that in the last year there were over 3,000 arrests in England and Wales. Is that a reason to adopt your compacent, irresponsible attitude. I think not.

Go back further and you will find that since the war there has been a steady rise in football violence. Im not really interested in the first half of the 1900s, because its not really relevant.