How the fixtures are compiled

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How the fixtures are compiled

by Dirk Gently » 15 Jun 2007 13:38

On the fixture list thread I was asked to do a summary of how the fixtures are put together. I've put it in a new thread - mods feel free to move it if it should be elsewhere. This is, of course, vastly simplified.....

1. Around Feb each year, every club is asked to submit preferences for dates and matches (i.e. we can't be at home on Reading Festival saturday, Doncaster can't be at home on St Leger Day, there's a flower show in Shrewsbury which means they lose the car park so have to be away ..... and so on - there are hundreds of such requests!).

2. All police forces do the same, and any other requirements they have, like "pairings" (e.g. both Sheffield Clubs, Liverpool & Everton, the two Bristols, etc. can't be home on the same day. In London there are 4 or 5 way "pairings", and also police rules that "high profile" matches (e.g. London derbies can't be on bank holidays.) Also Blackpool, Brighton, etc have to be away when party conferences are on in their town, etc, and certain clubs aren't allowed to play at a seaside town on a bank holiday.

3. These requests are all allocated priorities, and, under the fixture compilation rules, govern the positions in the "fixtures grid" that each team must take. This basically defines the sequence of homes and aways for each team - although not all club and police requests can actually be met, about 87% are.

The compilation rules vary slightly each season, but an extract from these from a few years ago is :
1.2 Consecutive Home or Away Fixtures
No Club should play 3 consecutive home or 3 consecutive away fixtures.

1.3 Sequencing over Five Fixtures
In any sequence of 5 fixtures a Club must have either 2 home matches and 3 away matches or 3 home matches and 2 away matches.

1.4 FA Cup Rounds
Where possible, either side of Rounds One and Two of the FA Cup, Clubs in Leagues 1 & 2 should have a home and an away fixture. In addition, where possible, both FAPL and Championship Clubs should receive a home and an away fixture either side of Rounds Three and Four.
Where possible, a similar arrangement should apply to Premier League and Championship Fixtures either side of a blank Saturday for Internationals.

There's a whole lot more to these compilation rules than just that, though.

4. At this point the computer takes over, and allocates teams to positions in the grid until it finds combinations which fit.

5. The fixtures working group (which has representatives from the appropriate league and the FSF) then do a manual check of the fixtures and, where there's horrendous errors try to make changes, although this is usually really difficult, because changing one fixture will affect at least 7 others and usually more, because of the pairings. It's like pushing down a bubble in wallpaper - another bubble comes up somewhere.

That's it in a nutshell - having seen it all, I find it amazing with the number of police and club requests made that they do actually manage to find a set of fixtures that work.

There's certainly no favouritism for any club from FA, FAPL, FL or conference.

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by Dirk Gently » 15 Jun 2007 13:43

As a postscript, of course, this is completely separate and independent from the TV schedule.

The Fixture Working Group spend massive effort scheduling to avoid problems, then Sky & Setanta come in the following week and make their won changes, which either makes irrelevant what the fixtures group has worked so hard work around - or places obstacles in the way of fans who attend matches.

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by 1960 » 15 Jun 2007 13:47

Which would cause huge problems if Sheff Utd and West Ham were to swap places. I see this as a reason why the FA/Prem couldn't possibly reverse the relegation.

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by Dirk Gently » 15 Jun 2007 13:49

1960 Which would cause huge problems if Sheff Utd and West Ham were to swap places. I see this as a reason why the FA/Prem couldn't possibly reverse the relegation.


Correct - they'd need to change all South Yorkshire and all London clubs, which would effectively mean starting from scratch.

IIRC, once of the reasons Boston weren't demoted a few years ago when they should have been is that the fictures were already out and it would cause too much disruption.

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by papereyes » 15 Jun 2007 14:07

there's a flower show in Shrewsbury which means they lose the car park so have to be away


I find this a mild :lol:


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by Dirk Gently » 15 Jun 2007 14:09

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there's a flower show in Shrewsbury which means they lose the car park so have to be away


I find this a mild :lol:


So do I - which is why I included it as an example of all the silly little things that govern the fixtures. Having said that, it only applies at the old Shrewsbury ground.

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by Behindu » 15 Jun 2007 14:16

Interesting stuff Dirk !

Is there any policy regarding
1. Home and away games at the start / end of the season
2. long distance travelling on certain days
3. Balance between seasons (ie home on day 1 one year / away the next ./ Boxing Day games)

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by Bucks Dave » 15 Jun 2007 14:17

If you have a bubble in wallpaper then stick a pin in the centre of the bubble and press. The prick won't be visible.

So if you don't like the fixtures blame an inadequate prick.

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by sheshnu » 15 Jun 2007 14:20

Behindu Interesting stuff Dirk !

Is there any policy regarding
1. Home and away games at the start / end of the season
2. long distance travelling on certain days
3. Balance between seasons (ie home on day 1 one year / away the next ./ Boxing Day games)


Experience says "no".


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by Dirk Gently » 15 Jun 2007 14:24

Behindu Interesting stuff Dirk !

Is there any policy regarding
1. Home and away games at the start / end of the season
2. long distance travelling on certain days
3. Balance between seasons (ie home on day 1 one year / away the next ./ Boxing Day games)


1. Home and away games at the start / end of the season
No - all it says are :
All Clubs should have an alternating sequence of home and away Saturday fixtures at both the beginning and end of the season. This may for example be 4 at the beginning and 2 at the end of each season. (Note: For 2002/2003 season this rule was relaxed by the Premier League to assist with the overall sequencing)


2. long distance travelling on certain days
Only partly - this is one of the things that the manual check tries to eliminate. Relevant snippets are :
(iii) It is not possible to schedule only short journeys for midweek fixtures. The Football Authorities will identify, during review of the draft fixtures, journeys that are considered excessive.

Each Club should have an equal number of home and away Bank Holiday fixtures, assuming an even number are scheduled.

The distance and number of journeys to away fixtures over the Christmas period should be minimised wherever possible.

Fixtures where crowd problems are anticipated are often requested as midweek fixtures and requests of this kind should be accommodated wherever possible.


3. Balance between seasons (ie home on day 1 one year / away the next ./ Boxing Day games)
Boxing days are on request as much as possible. What it says is :
Club requests for home fixtures on special days such as opening day and Boxing Day when they have been away on that day for several seasons should be treated sympathetically

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by Jerry St Clair » 15 Jun 2007 14:30

Behindu Interesting stuff Dirk !

Is there any policy regarding
1. Home and away games at the start / end of the season
2. long distance travelling on certain days
3. Balance between seasons (ie home on day 1 one year / away the next ./ Boxing Day games)


Certainly for long distance travelling, many lower division clubs request midweek games because it reduces costs (i.e no overnight stay required). And the fixture compilers strive to meet these requests.

So, when Reading used to travel away to Stockport on Tuesday nights, it was probably Mike Lewis or Annie Bassett's fault, rather than the fixture compilers.

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by Dirk Gently » 15 Jun 2007 14:32

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Behindu Interesting stuff Dirk !

Is there any policy regarding
1. Home and away games at the start / end of the season
2. long distance travelling on certain days
3. Balance between seasons (ie home on day 1 one year / away the next ./ Boxing Day games)


Certainly for long distance travelling, many lower division clubs request midweek games because it reduces costs (i.e no overnight stay required). And the fixture compilers strive to meet these requests.

So, when Reading used to travel away to Stockport on Tuesday nights, it was probably Mike Lewis or Annie Bassett's fault, rather than the fixture compilers.


Indeed, and home clubs request matches from distant clubs as midweek games since the away attendances are likely to be lower anyway so they can probably save on police costs and also save the saturdays for local matches.

But the Fixtures Working Group prioritises these "commercial" requests as low as they possible can, so they are most often ignored these days.

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by Jerry St Clair » 15 Jun 2007 14:35

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But the Fixtures Working Group prioritises these "commercial" requests as low as they possible can, so they are most often ignored these days.


Why the hell did we end up in Newcastle on a Tuesday night last season then?!


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by Barry the bird boggler » 15 Jun 2007 14:38

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1960 Which would cause huge problems if Sheff Utd and West Ham were to swap places. I see this as a reason why the FA/Prem couldn't possibly reverse the relegation.


Correct - they'd need to change all South Yorkshire and all London clubs, which would effectively mean starting from scratch.

IIRC, once of the reasons Boston weren't demoted a few years ago when they should have been is that the fictures were already out and it would cause too much disruption.


But would they, have they cleverly worked out that Sheff U and West Ham are always at home on the same day so they could just swap fixtures - just in case?

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by Dirk Gently » 15 Jun 2007 14:44

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But the Fixtures Working Group prioritises these "commercial" requests as low as they possible can, so they are most often ignored these days.


Why the hell did we end up in Newcastle on a Tuesday night last season then?!


Because to have moved it would have probably resulted in bad trips for 4 or 5 other sets of fans - it can never be perfect, and changing that just might not have been possible.

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by Behindu » 15 Jun 2007 14:44

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1960 Which would cause huge problems if Sheff Utd and West Ham were to swap places. I see this as a reason why the FA/Prem couldn't possibly reverse the relegation.


Correct - they'd need to change all South Yorkshire and all London clubs, which would effectively mean starting from scratch.

IIRC, once of the reasons Boston weren't demoted a few years ago when they should have been is that the fictures were already out and it would cause too much disruption.


But would they, have they cleverly worked out that Sheff U and West Ham are always at home on the same day so they could just swap fixtures - just in case?


But what if that leads to a clash with a Sheff Wed game ? Or a Millwall / Orient / Charlton game ?

And if they have to move one what knock on effects does that have ?

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by Dirk Gently » 15 Jun 2007 14:45

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1960 Which would cause huge problems if Sheff Utd and West Ham were to swap places. I see this as a reason why the FA/Prem couldn't possibly reverse the relegation.


Correct - they'd need to change all South Yorkshire and all London clubs, which would effectively mean starting from scratch.

IIRC, once of the reasons Boston weren't demoted a few years ago when they should have been is that the fictures were already out and it would cause too much disruption.


But would they, have they cleverly worked out that Sheff U and West Ham are always at home on the same day so they could just swap fixtures - just in case?


No - they play in two different leagues, with different fixture dates, and they're also paired with different clubs.

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by sheshnu » 15 Jun 2007 14:48

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1960 Which would cause huge problems if Sheff Utd and West Ham were to swap places. I see this as a reason why the FA/Prem couldn't possibly reverse the relegation.


Correct - they'd need to change all South Yorkshire and all London clubs, which would effectively mean starting from scratch.

IIRC, once of the reasons Boston weren't demoted a few years ago when they should have been is that the fictures were already out and it would cause too much disruption.


But would they, have they cleverly worked out that Sheff U and West Ham are always at home on the same day so they could just swap fixtures - just in case?


We would have to get to Brammall Lane on Boxing Day, so no thanks.

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by 1871 Royal » 15 Jun 2007 15:36

I remember that we had to play 3 away games on the trot at the begining of a season once. Was the year we moved to the Mad Stad. IIRC it was because it wasn't fully ready yet.

Was that true, or am I imagining stuff again?

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by Dirk Gently » 15 Jun 2007 15:37

1871 Royal I remember that we had to play 3 away games on the trot at the begining of a season once. Was the year we moved to the Mad Stad. IIRC it was because it wasn't fully ready yet.

Was that true, or am I imagining stuff again?


No, that's right - start of 98/99 season. But for that we asked the other club(s) if they minded changing the games.

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