Charlton - Back From The Game...

[soggy biscuit]

Could be wrong, but I thought refs had to wait until a set piece had been taken before blowing for FT????

nope, when time is up time is up.

[S09Royal]

Quite possibly the worst thing i've seen this season, a very very poor game, but i didn't leave the ground feeling too frustrated as i'm quite okay with us finishing in a play off place as long as it's not 3rd.

What on earth was up with our team last night? WE want to play in the PREMIER LEAGUE? HA, you're having a laugh! If we ever played that badly against a premier league side, we'd be hammered. We are no where near good enough. We don't seem to want promotion. I blame Harper
I was quite amused last night tho when a guy behind me said, 'Noel Hunt on for James Harper...tell the ref we made a mistake'

Either Charlton's league position isn't a fair reflection on how they play or we're just as bad as them, cos last night was poor.

The team need to find themselves again, in time for the Ipswich game. We seem to be lacking confidence at home. We're conceding goals every game.

I will say, well done to Long last night. His 2nd goal was good.

[3 veesinarow]

Inability of front 2 to find space

I'll totally ignore the rest of your dubious interpretation of what went on and instead concentrate on blasting this one way out of the water with just two examples...that led to both goals.

Long found so much space in the box 10 seconds afetr the restart that Charlton had to hack him down to prevent a goal. Result - GOAL.
He then found so much space in a crowded penalty box at a corner that he had a free and unopposed header with no-one near him. Result - GOAL.

QED.

[Sun Tzu]

The book also said they'd never recorded a match where a team achieved ten shots on target and lost.

I'd offer the 6-4 defeat at Spurs last season as a game where that quite possibly happened...

[Plymouth_Royal]

MoM - Blakey
The rest can all sw*ndon off to the reserves or on loan to Rushden & Diamonds.
Matejovsky is too lightweght
Total lack of urgency in the right areas of the pitch
Inability of front 2 to find space
General inability of full backs to consistently ovrlap
Lack of options when in posession
Feds too slow to clear upfield
CM pairing invisible for at least 1 hour

Seen more life on a butcher's slab!

they say opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one and they all stink

[Hoop Blah]

It also seems the players get jittery after say 4/5 passes, and if they haven't got the ball to the box, they won't continue to pass and move their way forward, simply launch a ball forward, in the hope something might come of it.

On this point didn't really seem to help that the few times we tried to do this the crowd suddenly got incredibly tetchy.

I got a book from 'Help the Aged' the other day called 'Soccer Skills: Tactics and Teamwork. The Winning Formula' by FA Director of Coaching and Education, Charles Hughes. Bearing in mind it was published in 1990, apparently after analysing hundreds of international games at varying levels - it includes U21 and U16 games - they came to the conclusion that over 75% of goals came from five passes or less and only about 15% from 6 passes or more. Does that help?

Charles Hughes has faced a barrage of criticism from within the game for his approach to the game and his coaching techniques.

I think he ended up getting the boot from the FA and since then there has been quite a turn around in the way the FA suggests football should be coached.

From what I've seen and heard Hughes was the FA's version of Snowball and he thought the game could be broken down into statistics and coaching and tactics driven off the back of them. That led him to being an advocate of the long ball to get the play into the box as soon as possible as thats how goals are scored.

It may be a fact that most goals are scored from moves involving fewer passes, but what that doesn't take into account is that the probing moves of 5, 10 or 20 passes create the pressure and space for a quick break to be more successful.

[Negative_Jeff]

It also seems the players get jittery after say 4/5 passes, and if they haven't got the ball to the box, they won't continue to pass and move their way forward, simply launch a ball forward, in the hope something might come of it.

On this point didn't really seem to help that the few times we tried to do this the crowd suddenly got incredibly tetchy.

I got a book from 'Help the Aged' the other day called 'Soccer Skills: Tactics and Teamwork. The Winning Formula' by FA Director of Coaching and Education, Charles Hughes. Bearing in mind it was published in 1990, apparently after analysing hundreds of international games at varying levels - it includes U21 and U16 games - they came to the conclusion that over 75% of goals came from five passes or less and only about 15% from 6 passes or more. Does that help?

Charles Hughes along with his mate Graham Taylor brought about the style of football that most people on this thread have been railing about. Complicit in this doctrine throughout his managerial career has been Steve Coppell, bar a period of eighteen months around 2005/6. Did the team play such excellent football in that period because of Coppell or in spite of him?

[Alan Partridge]

'Can we not knock it'

[Sarah Star]

Good point, HB. I hadn't thought to investigate the author of the book, though I did think things might have changed a bit since 1990.

[Snowball]

I've been saying this for weeks that Coppell needs to start playing his best players, so now is the time for Marcus and Bikey to come back.

IMHO Duberry and Fed have been at fault against Bristol City, Plymouth and now Charlton so I'd drop both of them.

LOL at this.

were you even at the plymouth game. there first goal shouldnt have stood because pearce got blatantly pushed. the second goal was a wonder goal from nothing,

YES, but on the first goal, Doobs let the midfielder go and he tapped in.

Debatable whether he should have closed down the guy coming through for the wonder goal, but he looked a bit casual

[Hoop Blah]

Charles Hughes along with his mate Graham Taylor brought about the style of football that most people on this thread have been railing about. Complicit in this doctrine throughout his managerial career has been Steve Coppell, bar a period of eighteen months around 2005/6. Did the team play such excellent football in that period because of Coppell or in spite of him?

I've said before that I've often thought Coppell fluked the side of 05/06 and that side just didn't fit in with his normal style. I think he did excellently at keeping the momentum up and managing the squad on the way to promotion, but it certainly didn't seem like a Coppell team to me.

What we're seeing now is closer to what I expected when we appointed him as he was always a percentage football man at Palace.

[cmonurz]

Agreed with Snowball, Duberry (or someone!) should have closed the player down. And Cisse was slow to pick up his run too. No player should ever run from his own half to the edge of the box unchallenged.

[Snowball]

We just played the bottom club - when else do you want us to take the ruddy chance?

Yeah bottom-end clubs are easy to beat like "dead and buried" Fulham last year winning
four of their last five games and escaping on the last day...

[LoyalRoyalFan]

Another drab performance. I am getting really tired of this hoof the ball up the pitch business. It is so easy for the opponents to read the incoming situation. Is it impossible for us to string some passes together? It was hard to see it last night.

My man of the match has to go to Alex Pearce. At the moment he is playing really well and is not scared to go into a tackle or win a header. Again it seemed to me that Dubbery is mistake prone and it is time for Bikey to return at centre back.
Federici – 6 – Made some really bad decisions last night and was caught out at his near post again.
Rosenior – 6 – Made some good forward runs but again nobody in the midfield would supply the ball to him.
Armstrong – 6 – I didn’t see much of him in the game to be honest. However he made one or two crucial interceptions when Charlton could of scored.
Pearce – 8 – My Man of the Match. He has better decisions than Dubbery who is much older than him. Nearly always won his tackles and headers.
S.Hunt – 5 – Another shocker. Rightly taken off.
G.Little - 7 – Good first half. Tried to get us playing on the floor. Look tired in the second half.
Matejovsky – 7 – Strung a few good passes together. Looked tired.
Cisse – 7 – Closed down very well and made Charlton work for there possenion.
Doyle – 6 – Looked tired,but you can’t fault his work rate and effort.
Long – 8 – Two goals to help his confidence. Played well.

I notice that we never play down the Centre and we always go down the wings. We need to use the centre midfield more and not rely on our wingers all the time.

[Snowball]

True, but 15% is better than nothing so they should go for the extra pass.
The book also said they'd never recorded a match where a team achieved ten shots on target and lost.

Arsenal - West Ham... wasn't it a record 26 or 36 shots and they lost 0-1 to a goal on HT

[Sun Tzu]

Agreed with Snowball, Duberry (or someone!) should have closed the player down. And Cisse was slow to pick up his run too. No player should ever run from his own half to the edge of the box unchallenged.

Good job Charlton let Shane get into the box before they challenged him !!

[Bill Oddie's Beard]

True, but 15% is better than nothing so they should go for the extra pass.
The book also said they'd never recorded a match where a team achieved ten shots on target and lost.

Arsenal - West Ham... wasn't it a record 26 or 36 shots and they lost 0-1 to a goal on HT

Newcastle 1-4 Fulham

Newcastle had 20 shots on target to Fulham's 8!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... t-off.html

[Snowball]

I'm really surprised at the "kindness" being showed Glen Little.

In the second half he was useless and left Rosenior time after time having to deal with the overlapping full-back and the winger.

He didn't look knackered or leggy to me. He looked like he was incapable of running.

In the first half he was "clever" and got Rosy to do all his running.

As for Rosy not combining, that is so dumb. He overlapped plenty first-half this game, and at Plymouth, and throughout the season he has worked well with Kebe. BOTH the right wing attackers have to be on song.

Little wasn't

[Sarah Star]

So basically, there are exceptions to what the book says .

[Riseley]

Spare a thought for me you bastards! I come all the way from Pompey to get my regular dose of shite football.