What are we here for?

[Hoop Blah]

I wasn't comparing it to Reading, like I said before, I have no hang up about the size of my club.

I've been supporting us for long enough to have stood in our own tin pot ground that was even worse than the Fratten Park of 5-10 years ago when we were plodding along with little prospects for the future.

I find it laughable that Pompey fans think so highly of a club that would probably rank around 30th at best in the most successful sides in the country and think that makes them something special having won two cup competitions in 70 years or whatever massive successes you've had.

[Royalee]

Says the jumped up sailor who doesn't understand how finance works Carlin, very good.

[Ian Royal]

As I said enjoy the past, it doesn't look like you'll be winning anything for some time.

PS You've got a poor memory as well as being a bit thick.

Reading: Simod Cup.

Oh, and where were you in 1871. Newbie upstart.

[Hoop Blah]

Hoop Blah, please tell me those figures are from Portsmouth's own Annual Review?

They're taken from one of the worlds most trusted sources of company information which references their annual report yes.

I don't interprut annual accounts so I may have missed out a few numbers here and there that shed more light on the situation, but the current liabilities are as stated at the 2008.

[Carlin20]

I wasn't comparing it to Reading, like I said before, I have no hang up about the size of my club.

I've been supporting us for long enough to have stood in our own tin pot ground that was even worse than the Fratten Park of 5-10 years ago when we were plodding along with little prospects for the future.

I find it laughable that Pompey fans think so highly of a club that would probably rank around 30th at best in the most successful sides in the country and think that makes them something special having won two cup competitions in 70 years or whatever massive successes you've had.

30th best?

That comment, for me, shows your complete lack of knowledge and I have no belief in what you're saying.

Try 17th most successful club.

We'll win more things befoe you do.

Yes, stated in 2008 the accounts you say, but things have dramatically changed for the better and even they were shit.

[Ian Royal]

Hoop Blah, please tell me those figures are from Portsmouth's own Annual Review?

They're taken from one of the worlds most trusted sources of company information which references their annual report yes.

I don't interprut annual accounts so I may have missed out a few numbers here and there that shed more light on the situation, but the current liabilities are as stated at the 2008.

Thank you.

I expect Carlin doesn't understand because he has trouble counting to 22 without taking off his shoes and socks. It's a bit much asking him to understand football finance.

[Carlin20]

Hoop Blah, please tell me those figures are from Portsmouth's own Annual Review?

They're taken from one of the worlds most trusted sources of company information which references their annual report yes.

I don't interprut annual accounts so I may have missed out a few numbers here and there that shed more light on the situation, but the current liabilities are as stated at the 2008.

Thank you.

I expect Carlin doesn't understand because he has trouble counting to 22 without taking off his shoes and socks. It's a bit much asking him to understand football finance.

Start of 2008? Say you say. This is middle of 2009. As I say, things have dramatically changed for the better.

Anyway, I'm off, be lucky all.

P.s Ian you're a horrible clueless bloke

[Ian Royal]

I thought you weren't talking to me because I made you cry or something?

[Carlin20]

I thought you weren't talking to me because I made you cry or something?

As if


Ta'ra buddy

P.s Pompey has no debt really, all the 30 mill debt was in sacha gaydamaks name.

[PEARCEY]

Think Reading are at a cross roads, the sale of Doyle was inevitable as he's a good player and shouldn't be wasting his time in this league. This is Reading's last year of parachute payments, it's their last year with a slight advantage over 19 of the teams in this league. So in theory they need to go for it this season. Problem is if they fail they could be in a situation the year after where a bit of a 'firesale' is needed to balance the books up. That's the fine line and the gamble that we'll see if they are willing to take.

The worry is that the club having created such a positive feel good factor for a couple of seasons could quite easily drift into obscurity just like teams such as Coventry, Watford, Sheffield Wednesday, Norwich and the like. All ex prem sides that having failed in their 2nd year down had to flog nearly all their better players and start again.In some cases getting relegated again.

It's a difficult scenario for Reading. I think they need to create a buzz around the place again,a high profile or an established player coming in might do that. Lots of buzz at the time of Lita signing, something like that may do the trick, because there are a lot of fans out there concerned or losing a lot of heart in the club at the minute.

As always a more balanced view from you AP which I fully agree with. There is a danger we could slowly slide down again which would be sad to see.

[Ian Royal]

Think Reading are at a cross roads, the sale of Doyle was inevitable as he's a good player and shouldn't be wasting his time in this league. This is Reading's last year of parachute payments, it's their last year with a slight advantage over 19 of the teams in this league. So in theory they need to go for it this season. Problem is if they fail they could be in a situation the year after where a bit of a 'firesale' is needed to balance the books up. That's the fine line and the gamble that we'll see if they are willing to take.

The worry is that the club having created such a positive feel good factor for a couple of seasons could quite easily drift into obscurity just like teams such as Coventry, Watford, Sheffield Wednesday, Norwich and the like. All ex prem sides that having failed in their 2nd year down had to flog nearly all their better players and start again.In some cases getting relegated again.

It's a difficult scenario for Reading. I think they need to create a buzz around the place again,a high profile or an established player coming in might do that. Lots of buzz at the time of Lita signing, something like that may do the trick, because there are a lot of fans out there concerned or losing a lot of heart in the club at the minute.

As always a more balanced view from you AP which I fully agree with. There is a danger we could slowly slide down again which would be sad to see.

I'd personally rather we risk slowly sliding down balanced with less dangerous risk taken to go up, than risk quickly sliding down with a marginally better chance of long term success and a reasonably increased chance of short term success. Whilst STILL having a similar chance of sliding down slowly.

But that's me.

I really really don't want to go back to tier 3. Just to show my real primary aim for the club

[winchester_royal]

Typically shite, reactionist thread.

Doyle was sold because there was a release clause in his contract.....end of.

LOL at RFC fans having hissy fits over selling our best players, when in reality over the past couple of years the club has fought bloody hard to keep it's best players here.

[Chaney]

Some of the key numbers for Financial Year 07-08

Revenue = £70m
Wages = £55
Short Term Debt = £43m
Long Term Debt = £22m
Other Liabilities = £70m

Total Liabilities = £137m

total wage bill of 55 quid, fooking hell no wonder we couldn`t attract players

[Dirk Gently]

Some of the key numbers for Financial Year 07-08

Revenue = £70m
Wages = £55
Short Term Debt = £43m
Long Term Debt = £22m
Other Liabilities = £70m

Total Liabilities = £137m

total wage bill of 55 quid, fooking hell no wonder we couldn`t attract players

Must be performance-related pay....

[floyd__streete]

5 SEMIS

Is that what you get every time you post on here?

Ps. do you wear a hooped earring? I bet that you do.

[Southbank Old Boy]

Think Reading are at a cross roads, the sale of Doyle was inevitable as he's a good player and shouldn't be wasting his time in this league. This is Reading's last year of parachute payments, it's their last year with a slight advantage over 19 of the teams in this league. So in theory they need to go for it this season. Problem is if they fail they could be in a situation the year after where a bit of a 'firesale' is needed to balance the books up. That's the fine line and the gamble that we'll see if they are willing to take.

The worry is that the club having created such a positive feel good factor for a couple of seasons could quite easily drift into obscurity just like teams such as Coventry, Watford, Sheffield Wednesday, Norwich and the like. All ex prem sides that having failed in their 2nd year down had to flog nearly all their better players and start again.In some cases getting relegated again.

It's a difficult scenario for Reading. I think they need to create a buzz around the place again,a high profile or an established player coming in might do that. Lots of buzz at the time of Lita signing, something like that may do the trick, because there are a lot of fans out there concerned or losing a lot of heart in the club at the minute.

As always a more balanced view from you AP which I fully agree with. There is a danger we could slowly slide down again which would be sad to see.

It would be very sad to see, and highlights how the lack of a little successful investment (not mega bucks but less risky than ignoring the issue and then bringing in two untested players in Cisse and Fae) at Xmas 2007 onwards to replace Sidwell and Little has massive ramifications

I dont want the club to ever risk its future for a little short term glory, but I do want us to try and make the best of what we have and not be scared to show a little bit of ambition

[zummerset]

What is this thread about - we are at the dawn of a new exciting era. I can't wait to see maybe Church take Doylers place. Won't happy to sing to Forest you're not famous anymore if we get ambushed in the first week. Bring it on - fan for thirty plus years and I i love it..........................

[Victor Meldrew]

Shame that the thread became a slanging match between us and a Pompey fan who has nothing better to do than come on another club's site-such a good job that we have the diplomatic Spacey to fight our corner.
I don't care much about Pompey or Southampton or how Reading compares with those on grounds of chaviness or potential-having lived and worked in and around all 3 towns I would say that they are about as good or as bad as each other but as football places I would say that Pompey is more of a football town than either Reading or Southampton.

That is by the way,so as the topic says (and we have done this type of topic just about every year ) Where do we go from here?
As a fan for longer even than the earlier poster West Stand Man I have seen more changes than most but the biggest change seems to me to be a lack of soul in the sense that our club (the first team) has become what some said on here 5 or 6 years ago that they didn't want to see,i.e a team of footballing mercenaries with no real affilliation to our club but that has exactly what has happened.

We have had a load of Irish imports,Americans,Australians,Icelandics,Africans,French and even an East European and that is exactly what some of those posters didn't want to happen.
A lot of clubs have followed a similar path and paid lip-service to developing their own talent but haven't done so.

Much as I think through tightness we gave up a fantastic position in The Premiership-talk about throwing away something that had take all those years to get to-I think now where we are at is a smallish club with no great nor reckless ambition that almost through accident will be playing home-grown kids in the immediate future.

Maybe with this new approach will mean that the club will feel like Reading again and not a mixed-bag of foreigners here for the dough and hopefully the worst of the mercenaries will have gone by the time we face Forest.

FWIW I think it will be a hard slog this season where we consolidate in a mid-table position and attendances fall to about a 15,000 average but at least we will have seen more of OUR players from the Academy which for some of us will be o.k(having accepted that we have cocked up 2 years ago) and we can have this debate all over again,i.e should we be splashing out on foreign players who might get us promoted or are we happy to stay where we are which is higher than where we have been for most of our history?

[Thaumagurist*]

Shame that the thread became a slanging match between us and a Pompey fan who has nothing better to do than come on another club's site-such a good job that we have the diplomatic Spacey to fight our corner.

I really didn't say much. I'm not sure if you're slagging me off, or not.

[Sir Rodger Doyle]

LOL@anyone who thinks Madejski makes money out of football.

LOL

'greed

Total of personal investment?

Value of club if he was to sell?