Rumour: James Harper (talks with Wolves confirmed)

[wolsey]

A job?

How many managers slag off their chairman whilst still employed at the club?

Indeed.

Likewise, I always interpreted Coppell's statement of:-

"I don't understand why this (latest disappointing result) has happened"

rather than "I don't understand", as being a defence of his staff.

He could have done a Megson/Brown etc and said:

"We have told the players what was needed but they either didn't understand what they were being told to do, or weren't capable of carrying out our plans"

I'm glad that he didn't.

[brendywendy]

Clutching at straws there Readingbedding!

how


that and the scott brown bids would have been slightly mad if we didnt mean them


what if theyd agreed and said yes!?

[Woodcote Royal]

Thing is NO-ONE on here knows the truth about what money was available. However, I still find it hard to believe that someone as clever as SC didn't try to plug the obvious gaps - and as I've said on a number of occasions - saying "I have money available" "money is available to the manager" is a factually correct statement, even if that amount is only £5 - so, personally, I'm still of the opinion that although money was available, it wasn't enough to secure the services of the right types of player to keep us up last season. How many times have we heard "we must cut our cloth"? That doesn't sound to me like there were millions of pounds of previous transfer payments to us available to purchase more players. Anyway, it's my opinion, you can all have your opinions - but it doesn't make either of us right!

Coppell was like a rat stuck up a drain pipe who couldn't go forward or back and that applied to both the players and his tactics.

£2m for one centre half as the parachute money is about to run out shows beyond all doubt that Coppell had far more money available than he chose to spend and at least one team of youngsters if he wanted to go the other way.

For two seasons he could have twisted but chose, wherever possible, to stick with his 106 even to the point of starting last season with Hunt at left back because he couldn't face the thought of Shorey leaving.

Clearly many Coppell fans will never leave that comfort zone where they blame all the shortcomings of their idol on a tight fisted Chairman but, back on planet earth, that bubble has been well and truly burst.

[readingbedding]

"I spoke to Steve Coppell during the week and thanked Steve," he said.
"He's brought in the right type of players here. Not just the right players but the right personalities."

[brendywendy]

what a load of arsewater
contemptaible verbage of the highest order.

For two seasons he could have twisted but chose, wherever possible, to stick with his 106 even to the point of starting last season with Hunt at left back because he couldn't face the thought of Shorey leaving.

or perhaps that he was waiting for the stretch deal to go through, and thought it better to play someone there in the mean time that had done so perfectly well before...........

[readingbedding]

"I'd hope to do something for the weekend, but it's not guaranteed.

"In the short term I have faith in Hunt or whoever plays."

[wolsey]

Thing is NO-ONE on here knows the truth about what money was available. However, I still find it hard to believe that someone as clever as SC didn't try to plug the obvious gaps - and as I've said on a number of occasions - saying "I have money available" "money is available to the manager" is a factually correct statement, even if that amount is only £5 - so, personally, I'm still of the opinion that although money was available, it wasn't enough to secure the services of the right types of player to keep us up last season. How many times have we heard "we must cut our cloth"? That doesn't sound to me like there were millions of pounds of previous transfer payments to us available to purchase more players. Anyway, it's my opinion, you can all have your opinions - but it doesn't make either of us right!

Coppell was like a rat stuck up a drain pipe who couldn't go forward or back and that applied to both the players and his tactics.

£2m for one centre half as the parachute money is about to run out shows beyond all doubt that Coppell had far more money available than he chose to spend and at least one team of youngsters if he wanted to go the other way.

For two seasons he could have twisted but chose, wherever possible, to stick with his 106 even to the point of starting last season with Hunt at left back because he couldn't face the thought of Shorey leaving.

Clearly many Coppell fans will never leave that comfort zone where they blame all the shortcomings of their idol on a tight fisted Chairman but, back on planet earth, that bubble has been well and truly burst.

So, that being the case, why didn't our forward thinking Chairman get rid of the dead loss of a "Manager" when he had the chance?

FWIW I think that the the "make do and mend" approach suited both SJM and SC.

[brendywendy]

seol
halford
fae
matejovski
kebe
bikey
stretch
rosenior
cisse
nhunt
etc etc

shows me that there was money available, and that he spent some of it, and that some of what was spent wasnt wasted

[brendywendy]

FWIW I think that the the "make do and mend" approach suited both SJM and SC.

living within our means was clearly and agreed policy between the trio of JM, SC and NH
made sense then, makes sense now

[wolsey]

FWIW I think that the the "make do and mend" approach suited both SJM and SC.

living within our means was clearly and agreed policy between the trio of JM, SC and NH
made sense then, makes sense now

But you (I) obviously don't understand the needs of some of our supporters...spend big, spend often and we could be like Bolton/Portsmouth/Wigan etc.

[Woodcote Royal]

I'll be happy to eat my words, but I just think that there's no way we'll go up, let alone finish top. We had pretty much our starting back four on Tuesday, and a better club would have eviscorated us for the stupid mistakes we made. It was the same against Forest. Too sloppy and too casual at the back to win the league, and currently too powder-puff up front to predict a high finish in the league. This is a season to blood few youngsters and hopefully set up the core of a good team next season or the season after.

I've come to the conclusion that if, as I hope will prove to be the case, we stick with this young side it would be better that it isn't playing in next season's Premiership.

However, I do take issue regarding the defence. The real howlers came from Rosy, who will not be our right back when Kelly is available without massive improvemnt on his currrent form and I'm not sure he'll ever be good enough on the ball for a Brendan Rodger's team.

Apart from that, I doubt there will be better central defensive pairing in the league than the one we fielded on Tuesday but it was Mill's debut so some allowances need to be made.

[Ian Royal]

Woodcote and Royalee. Killing a thread worse than me and snowball.

[brendywendy]

FWIW I think that the the "make do and mend" approach suited both SJM and SC.

living within our means was clearly and agreed policy between the trio of JM, SC and NH
made sense then, makes sense now

But you (I) obviously don't understand the needs of some of our supporters...spend big, spend often and we could be like Bolton/Portsmouth/Wigan etc.

LOL

true


oh to be a club such as they

[Woodcote Royal]

So, that being the case, why didn't our forward thinking Chairman get rid of the dead loss of a "Manager" when he had the chance?

FWIW I think that the the "make do and mend" approach suited both SJM and SC.

This is where he's certainly open to criticism.

One failed campaign following 2 that were easily the best in our history meant to me that Coppell deserved a chance to put things right PROVIDED that he understood where he went wrong and what was required to put things right.

The fans had every right to lay seige to his parking space and beg him to stay but the board needed to ask some serious questions before give him another season.

We'll never know but I get the distinct impression that the board were on the same page as the car park crew.

[Bill Oddie's Beard]

Woodcote and Royalee. Killing a thread worse than me and snowball.

Tru 'dat, maybe someone should start "The Unruined Rumour: James Harper (talks with Wolves confirmed)" thread

[Royal Lady]

I've never wanted us to spend big for the sake of it. I am just of the belief that if we could have spent a bit of the transfer money/ TV money we'd received during last season, we might have been able to avoid relegation. The chairman has always made it clear he doesn't want to spend big - inc on wages. I'm still at a loss why we would only offer £750k for a player it appears was valued by his club at £1.8 million.

Anyway, it's a new season - new team, new manager. Let's see what happens in the next few months.

[brendywendy]

£750k for a player it appears was valued by his club at £1.8 million.

their valuation was wrong


& see our original valuation of Shunt..........

[Ian Royal]

I've never wanted us to spend big for the sake of it. I am just of the belief that if we could have spent a bit of the transfer money/ TV money we'd received during last season, we might have been able to avoid relegation. The chairman has always made it clear he doesn't want to spend big - inc on wages. I'm still at a loss why we would only offer £750k for a player it appears was valued by his club at £1.8 million.

Anyway, it's a new season - new team, new manager. Let's see what happens in the next few months.

Because we value him at around that amount. Which makes sense for a player we know wants to come here and work with Brendan, is 29 and in the last year of his contract, with only really one real season of big achievement behind him (iirc).

Or maybe we value him at somewhere between the two fees and are waiting for Watford to stop being morons and meet us half way.

Regardless, there is no way we should just automatically stump up the figure the player's current club want, just because we want that player. That way idiocy lies.

[Agent Balti]

I'm still at a loss why we would only offer £750k for a player it appears was valued by his club at £1.8 million.

Because most times you buy a player, you're buying out their contract 'worth' not necessarily the player value.

A player on a 3 year contract is worth a lot more than a player with less than a year left. It's why contracts (partly) exist, to inflate the price - hence the price for Doyle and SHunt being what they were.

£1.8m was pie in the sky and Watford know it. £750k for a 29 year old player is still very generous, in my view, as he'll be worth half that in January and zip next June.

[Hogmeister Royal]

I'm still at a loss why we would only offer £750k for a player it appears was valued by his club at £1.8 million.

Because most times you buy a player, you're buying out their contract 'worth' not necessarily the player value.

A player on a 3 year contract is worth a lot more than a player with less than a year left. It's why contracts (partly) exist, to inflate the price - hence the price for Doyle and SHunt being what they were.

£1.8m was pie in the sky and Watford know it. £750k for a 29 year old player is still very generous, in my view, as he'll be worth half that in January and zip next June.

Ummm, "pie in the sky"??? Sheffield United have already offered £1.8m for him! Seems a dead cert now that Shunt (and his wages) has gone that we'll now offer them that (or damn close to it) and he'll be here shortly.